Re: Fun with bleach and nail polish remover

2001-12-30 Thread Eugene Leitl

On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, Sampo Syreeni wrote:

 Yes, it's unstable, but what, exactly, is it that makes $H_{2}O_{2}$
 organic?

Hydrogen peroxide is not an organic peroxide. Concentrated hydrogen
peroxide is unstable, and can violently decompose, especially if catalysts
(finely distributed metals, pyrolysite) are present, but it does not
detonate. The usual use for it is for hypergolic rocket fuel (with
unsymmetrical dimethyl hydrazine).

Organic peroxides is something else entirely. You can make organic
peroxides using hydrogen peroxide, though it is not advisable for laymen.
In fact, due to their instability, it is better not to work with them at
all. Considerable potential for severe or even terminal injury there.




Fun with bleach and nail polish remover

2001-12-29 Thread Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer

However, it may be impossible to prevent the publication of all information concerning 
the
 making and use of explosives. The problem of easy availability of information on 
how to make improvised explosive
 devices is compounded by the ease with which anyone can also obtain the necessary 
materials to make a bomb.
 Improvised explosive devices can be manufactured from such common chemicals as 
acetone (fingernail polish remover),
 peroxide (hair bleach), and one additional readily available ingredient. For 
example, Triacetone Triperoxide (TATP), a
 combination of these ingredients, is currently the most common explosive used by 
terrorists in Israel.


I have seen too many dangerous mistakes in this NG when AP is being discussed. I 
will rather give you the correct details that
you make it and do not blow off your hands. 

You will need 30% Hydrogen Peroxide (6% will give you a rather poor yield). Now to get 
the 30% Hydrogen Peroxide, go to
your local hospital chemist. 30% will never be sold to someone for their hair so don't 
try that story, so spin a story that the
Peroxide is to clean a wound as it is a great disinfectant (diluted of course). 

The acetone can be bought at either a hardware store or at a hospital or normal 
chemist. If you get asked why you need the
acetone, spin a story that it is used to thin paint, or to strip paint. Remember that 
acetone is highly flammable. 

The Hydrochloric Acid can be purchased from any swimming pool shop, or from your local 
hardware store. The type that goes
into your pool is normally 31.5% and is perfect for what you need. The Hydrochloric 
acid will give you a trimmer, sulphuric
acid will give you the dimmer version of the AP. 

Now that you have acquired all the ingredients, take a beaker or clean 500 ml bottle 
and place it into some nice cold water.
Into this beaker, add 200 ml hydrogen peroxide (try not to get any of this onto your 
skin). Now add 150 ml of the acetone.
Remember to do this outside as the fumes are rather unpleasant to breath in. You will 
feel the beaker will start to get a bit
warm. Now add 50 ml hydrochloric acid to the mixture and stir with a glass rod. There 
that is all you have to do. 

Do this experiment in the evening and let the AP stand over night. In the morning you 
will see that you will have +- 2.5 cm of
crystals at the bottom of the flask and +- 0.5 cm floating on the top of the flask. 
Take a glass funnel and insert coffee filter
paper or oil filtering paper and filter the AP crystals out. Place these crystals out 
onto a sheet of clean paper and leave them to
dry +- 1/2 a day to a day. Try to keep the crystals out of direct sunlight, preferably 
in a shady area. 

Place these dry crystals into a camera film container. Please do not hit these 
crystals with a hammer as a bright person claimed
to have done, you could land up with that hammer in your forehead. AP is sensitive to 
heat and to friction. When the crystals do
not respond to either friction or impact it simply means that the crystals are still 
too wet. 



WARNING: Acetone Peroxide is dangerous and very sensitive to FRICTION,
SHOCK, HEAT OR FLAME. Handle with great care!! This 
composition is dangerous
and would need to be handled by someone with a lot of 
common sense. If you do
not have experience with explosives DO NOT MAKE THIS. I 
can not stress
enough how unstable and dangerous acetone peroxide is. 
This explosive is the
most unstable of all other explosives. Making large 
quantities is suicide as the
weight of the crystals will detonate themselves.



   Information on Acetone Peroxide:

   Acetone peroxide is formed when hydrogen peroxide 30% acts on 
acetone. The
   introduction of dilute sulfuric acid causes the reaction to go 
into completion.

   There are actually two isomers of acetone peroxide, the first 
is tricycloacetone
   peroxide and the second is dicycloacetone peroxide. Both of 
these compounds are
   very similar, but the reaction seems to favor the tricyclo over 
the dicyclo. Both will
   be made in the reaction to differing degrees. The trimmer has 
about 80% the power
   of TNT.

   A quantity the size of a pea in contact with a flame will burn 
instantaneously with a
   small 'pop' and producing a fireball, much like HMTD does. Any 
sign of confinement
   will ensure that ignition will rapidly give rise to detonation.

   Acetone peroxide is a powerful primary explosive. It, as with 
other explosive
   peroxides, seems to be very volatile. In standing 10 days at 
room temperature,
   

Re: Fun with bleach and nail polish remover

2001-12-29 Thread keyser-soze

At 11:29 PM 12/29/2001 +0100, Anonynmous wrote:
You will need 30% Hydrogen Peroxide (6% will give you a rather poor yield). Now to 
get the 30% Hydrogen Peroxide, go to
your local hospital chemist. 30% will never be sold to someone for their hair so don't 
try that story, so spin a story that the
Peroxide is to clean a wound as it is a great disinfectant (diluted of course).

If you have trouble finding concentrated H2O2 you can distill your own from dilute 
sources.  http://webhome.idirect.com/~earlcp/Reports/Stills_199x.html 




Re: Fun with bleach and nail polish remover

2001-12-29 Thread KPJ

It appears as if Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
|
|I have seen too many dangerous mistakes in this NG when AP is being
|discussed. I will rather give you the correct details that you make it and do
|not blow off your hands.
[...]
|Hydrogen peroxide H2H2 - Available at a beauty supply store and possibly a
|pharmacy. 

Minor correction: /H2H2/ should be /H2O2/, naturally.




Re: Fun with bleach and nail polish remover

2001-12-29 Thread Eugene Leitl

On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, KPJ wrote:

 Minor correction: /H2H2/ should be /H2O2/, naturally.

Organic peroxides are useful as improvised blasting caps, but otherwise
much too unstable.




Re: Fun with bleach and nail polish remover

2001-12-29 Thread Sampo Syreeni

On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, Eugene Leitl wrote:

 Minor correction: /H2H2/ should be /H2O2/, naturally.

Organic peroxides are useful as improvised blasting caps, but otherwise
much too unstable.

Yes, it's unstable, but what, exactly, is it that makes $H_{2}O_{2}$
organic?

Sampo Syreeni, aka decoy - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], tel:+358-50-5756111
student/math+cs/helsinki university, http://www.iki.fi/~decoy/front
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