Re: Geek Profiling Upheld by Appeals Court
On Sun, 22 Jul 2001, Sampo Syreeni wrote: > (BTW, the poem was pretty evocative, as far as I can tell.) Irrelevant. Further, good poetry is supposed to be evocative. -- Nature and Nature's laws lay hid in night: God said, "Let Tesla be", and all was light. B.A. Behrend The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::>/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Re: Geek Profiling Upheld by Appeals Court
On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, Eric Cordian wrote: >The 9th US Circuit Court of Appeals has just upheld the right of schools >to suspend or expel any student who speaks or writes about fictional >violence, dresses differently, has a "disturbing" background, or "fits the >profile" of a "homicidal student." I wonder whether this is a problem brought on by the ideas of students, or by the students expressing their ideas within the confines of the public school system. See next. >The appeals panel said while the poem viewed by itself is protected >speech, the school district had a right to suspend LaVine on fears he may >have carried out what he had written. This would be no problem if the school was private -- fear is good enough a excuse for expulsion if it is made explicit, beforehand, that explicit writing is not accepted. But when the student is forced to participate in the education, punishing for something that hasn't already transpired is certainly unjust. It clearly limits the breadth of thought the student is allowed. If one is frightened enough to think of poems written by teenagers as evidence of imminent violence, one should definitely have the option of enrolling one's children in a school where provocativeness is forbidden, stupid if that sort of move would be. But when people have no realistic choice of how to school their children, it is to be expected that the full spectrum of human literary talent will be present, too. The result is that some writings will certaily touch on controversial issues. Like the poem at issue here. The only problem here is that *all* children are being pressured to participate in education in an environment (public schools) where opinions and modes of expression that the more close-minded may perceive as threatening necessarily manifest. (BTW, the poem was pretty evocative, as far as I can tell.) Sampo Syreeni, aka decoy, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], gsm: +358-50-5756111 student/math+cs/helsinki university, http://www.iki.fi/~decoy/front
Geek Profiling Upheld by Appeals Court
The 9th US Circuit Court of Appeals has just upheld the right of schools to suspend or expel any student who speaks or writes about fictional violence, dresses differently, has a "disturbing" background, or "fits the profile" of a "homicidal student." The 9th circuit is supposed to be the liberal one, right? - SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- A Washington state school district acted appropriately when it suspended a student for submitting a poem about a fictitious campus mass murder, a federal appeals court ruled Friday. The decision from the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals overturned a lower court's ruling that the high school was wrong to suspend James LaVine, a 16-year-old junior, for 17 school days in 1998. LaVine submitted his poem, ''Last Words,'' to be critiqued by his English instructor at his school about 100 miles north of Seattle. Among the violent imagery was the phrase, ''I drew my gun and . . . Bang, Bang, Bang-Bang. When it was all over, 28 were, dead.'' In ordering the suspension, the school district had said LaVine had a ''disturbing'' background, dressed differently and ''fit the profile'' of a homicidal student. The student's attorney, Breean Beggs, said the court's decision could chill students' First Amendment right to free speech and give educators leverage to punish students for their ideas. ''I was hoping to have it made clear that students cannot be punished for the content of their work,'' Beggs said. The appeals panel said while the poem viewed by itself is protected speech, the school district had a right to suspend LaVine on fears he may have carried out what he had written. ''Parents and the public expect schools to protect their children and that is getting more and more difficult in modern times,'' said Tyna Ek, the lawyer for school district. ''This says that schools can act when there are danger signals.'' The circuit panel noted that, in hindsight, it may not have been necessary to expel the student -- given that it was later determined he had no violent intentions. Still, the court said, schools need to react to the potential for such violence. LaVine, who is now 19 and graduated last year, said he didn't know why he wrote the poem. ''When I write, I just get a feeling. Whatever comes out, comes out,'' LaVine said. ''There's not really any reason behind why I wrote it.'' -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"
