Re: Protection of the Righteous Act applies to Whole World, Say Prosecutors

2002-02-18 Thread Faustine

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Tim wrote:

2001 is misleading. I got my copy in July 1989 (so my copy says), and 
the copyright is 1985/86. She added a few items, but basically the book 
the book is very, very dated. 

There's nothing dated about the new chapters on events leading up to Sept.
11th. How much has scholarship on the history of the periods adressed changed
since 1989, anyway? If you know of a comparable work that's more current and a
better introduction to the subject, I'm sure a lot of people here would be
interested to hear of it. Ian Lesser's Countering the New Terrorism (which I
read when it came out in 1999) was another good, quick read which comes to
mind, but really more tactical than historical. Tonight, I was planning on
reading Albert Hourani's far more comprehensive History of the Arab
Peoples. Any other suggestions would be welcome. 


 An interesting sidenote: when Terry Anderson was being held hostage, the 
 1985 edition of this book was one of the few things his captors gave 
 him to read. 
Confirming my point about how old it is. It tells us nothing 
libertarians didn't already know: butt out. Or, in Washington's 
paraphrased words, avoid foreign entanglements. 


Sure. But just because one knows foreign meddling is likely to lead to disaster
doesn't mean the particular disasterous consequences of a given policy aren't
worth learning about. And learning from.  

~Faustine.



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He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from
oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that
will reach to himself.

- --Thomas Paine

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Protection of the Righteous Act applies to Whole World, Say Prosecutors

2002-02-16 Thread Tim May

On Saturday, February 16, 2002, at 12:40  PM, Jei wrote:

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 Dave, it's interesting that at the same time some in
 the government argue that U.S. constitutional projections
 don't apply to the prisoners held at Guantanamo, other
 government officials are insisting that the DMCA applies
 universally.

 --Mike

Note the two versions of this same line of thinking:

 SAN JOSE -- The Digital Millennium Copyright Act properly
 applies to activity outside the U.S., federal prosecutors
 said in their case against a Russian company charged with
 selling software decrypting Adobe e-Books.  A construction
 of the DMCA that applied it only within the borders of the
 United States would thwart Congress's intent to prevent
 circumvention technology from being available, the San Jose
 U.S. Attorney's Office told U.S. Dist. Judge Ronald Whyte in
 papers filed late last week.  The ease with which materials
 can be moved around the Internet makes it impossible to
 conceive of an effective DMCA statute that applied solely
 within the United States.  That construction was Congress's
 intent, as shown by its prohibition against importation of
 certain technology, prosecutors argued.

 Prosecutors said the judge didn't need to decide that issue,
 however, because Elcomsoft was subject to prosecution for
 conduct within the U.S.  The company offered its program
...
--excerpt from a possible world--

TEHERAN -- The Protection of the Righteous Act properly applies to 
activity outside the Muslim world, religious prosecutors said in their 
case against an American company charged with selling books insulting to 
the Prophet.  A construction of the PRA that applied it only within the 
borders of the Muslim nations would thwart the faithful's intent to 
prevent circumvention technology from being available, the Teheran 
Religious Magistrate  told President Rafsanani in papers filed late last 
week.  The ease with which materials can be moved around the Internet 
makes it impossible to conceive of an effective PRA statute that applied 
solely within Iran, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and other Muslim states.  That 
construction was the faithful's intent, as shown by its prohibition 
against importation of certain technology, prosecutors argued.

The PRA authorizes us to arrest, and if necessary, kidnap, those in 
violation of the PRA anywhere in the world, Ayotollah Raghedi said. It 
is no different from what the Great Satan has been doing for many 
years, he added.

--end excerpt--

If the U.S. can claim the entire world must obey its laws, so can Saudi 
Arabia, or Peru, or Bratislavistan.

No wonder they hate us so much.


--Tim May