RFID driver's licenses?

2005-09-10 Thread Nomen Nescio
A friend of mine is expressing concern over the recently passed REAL ID act
which will supposedly require RFID-readable driver's licenses (which it doesn't
say in the text of the bill which just makes a vague reference to
"machine-readable technology".)

My questions are:

1. Have any states already implemented RFID-readable IDs/licenses?

2. If not, which states plan to?



Re: RFID Driver's licenses for VA

2004-10-09 Thread Steve Furlong
On Sat, 2004-10-09 at 12:03, Major Variola (ret) wrote:

> When you get your driver's license, you should run a magnet over
> it to keep iron oxides from staining your wallet.  And apparently
> you should now microwave it to clean those DMV-employee pathogens
> from it.  Then it will be safe to carry, and you can see for yourself
> what it tells
> everyone else ---part of the definition of safety.

And rub that funny black and white smudge thing with nail polish remover
-- looks like someone with wet nail polish was handling the card, and
you don't want that smudge to cover up whatever was written under it.




Re: RFID Driver's licenses for VA

2004-10-09 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 10:57 PM 10/8/04 -0700, Bill Stewart wrote:
>>At 04:35 PM 10/7/2004, Thomas Shaddack wrote:
>>A defense is a metal board in a wallet, close to the RFID chip's
antenna.
>>It is readable when the licence is taken out of the wallet. When
inside,
>>the antenna is quite effectively shielded.
>
>Tinfoil Wallets, anybody?  :-)

When you get your driver's license, you should run a magnet over
it to keep iron oxides from staining your wallet.  And apparently
you should now microwave it to clean those DMV-employee pathogens
from it.  Then it will be safe to carry, and you can see for yourself
what it tells
everyone else ---part of the definition of safety.





Re: RFID Driver's licenses for VA

2004-10-09 Thread Riad S. Wahby
Bill Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Tinfoil Wallets, anybody?  :-)

My wallet is a metal cigarette case.  It's quite effective at blocking
RFID, proxcards, &c.

Plus, it's chic enough that almost no one considers the paranoia aspect.

-- 
Riad S. Wahby
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: RFID Driver's licenses for VA

2004-10-08 Thread Bill Stewart

On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, Sunder wrote:
> So the cops and RFID h4x0rZ can know your true name from a distance.  and
> since RFID tags, are what, $0.05 each, the terrorists and ID
> counterfitters will be able to make fake ones too... Whee!
At 04:35 PM 10/7/2004, Thomas Shaddack wrote:
A defense is a metal board in a wallet, close to the RFID chip's antenna.
It is readable when the licence is taken out of the wallet. When inside,
the antenna is quite effectively shielded.
Tinfoil Wallets, anybody?  :-)
Actually, does anybody know if metallized mylar would do a good job
of blocking RFID readers, or if that carbon-fiber insulating cloth
that's useful for RF-shielded rooms would work well enough?
Also sounds like a good reason to carry a Rivest RFID blocker in your wallet.

Bill Stewart  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 



Re: RFID Driver's licenses for VA

2004-10-07 Thread Thomas Shaddack
On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, Sunder wrote:

> So the cops and RFID h4x0rZ can know your true name from a distance.  and 
> since RFID tags, are what, $0.05 each, the terrorists and ID 
> counterfitters will be able to make fake ones too... Whee!

Given the power requirements for doing anything more than dumb sequence 
repeat, I'd worry about the potential for replay attack and licence 
cloning.

Make a proof-of-concept device early after they start rolling the scheme 
out, publish on Slashdot, and see them retracting it as fast as they were 
deploying it.


A defense is a metal board in a wallet, close to the RFID chip's antenna. 
It is readable when the licence is taken out of the wallet. When inside, 
the antenna is quite effectively shielded. As a bonus, for many people 
this method can be seamlessly integrated to their mode of the document 
usage (leaving the privacy implications of the "legitimate" readers aside 
for now, talking about the unauthorized remote readers only here).



RFID Driver's licenses for VA

2004-10-07 Thread Sunder
So the cops and RFID h4x0rZ can know your true name from a distance.  and 
since RFID tags, are what, $0.05 each, the terrorists and ID 
counterfitters will be able to make fake ones too... Whee!


http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,65243,00.html

RFID Driver's Licenses Debated 
By Mark Baard

Story location: http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,65243,00.html

09:50 AM Oct. 06, 2004 PT

Some federal and state government officials want to make state driver's 
licenses harder to counterfeit or steal, by adding computer chips that 
emit a radio signal bearing a license holder's unique, personal 
information.

In Virginia, where several of the 9/11 hijackers obtained driver's 
licenses, state legislators Wednesday will hear testimony about how radio 
frequency identification, or RFID, tags may prevent identity fraud and 
help thwart terrorists using falsified documents to move about the 
country.

Privacy advocates will argue that the radio tags will also make it easy 
for the government to spy on its citizens and exacerbate identity theft, 
one of the problems the technology is meant to relieve.



Because information on RFID tags can be picked up from many feet away, 



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