Re: CDR: Re: Retribution not enough
On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Jim Choate wrote: > What does it mean to 'agree'? or, more to the point, what does "is" mean? -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
Re: CDR: Re: Retribution not enough
On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, F. Marc de Piolenc wrote: > Elementary - fair is whatever the parties in interest agree to. Period. 'agree' is synonymous with 'free' in this case. All you're doing is playing word games and hand waving. What does it mean to 'agree'? Is an agreement that one can backout of with no consequences the same as an agreement where they break your leg if you don't? Are those agreements the same? No. -- The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion. Edmund Burke (1784) The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::>/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Re: CDR: Re: Retribution not enough
On Sun, 21 Oct 2001, Tim May wrote: > We should "close down" the horrible sweatshops in Asia, India, South > America, and other hellholes. (Africa is not counted because they are > below sweat shop standards.) Nonsense. What we should do is bring them under rule of law and ensure that their efforts are rewarded with an equitable share of the profits their efforts created. The very basis of free market economies, one is rewarded FAIRLY for their efforts. The real question, one that is probably unanswerable, is who gets to decide what is 'fair'. Not only is there no 'fair' way to decide, but there's no one universal definition of 'fair'. So, whatever system we put in place must be based on relative methodologies and measures. The next question is who gets to decide those, followed by who gets to exercise them. So, we need a system that is equitable (with respect to access), representative (in the sense of everyone has a say in it), and limited (in that some behaviours are outside the bounds of regulation - speech, personal possession of a firearm). C-A-C-L doesn't qualify on several points. -- The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion. Edmund Burke (1784) The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::>/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Re: CDR: RE: Retribution not enough
On Sat, 20 Oct 2001, Sandy Sandfort wrote: > More Inchoate reasoning. Jimbo wrote: > > > The reality is that these sweatshops do > > exist, that they do exploit the workers... > > Gee, I wonder why these workers chose to be exploited instead of taking a > job somewhere else in their benighted non-capitalist countries where the > opportunities were better. Maybe they aren't as smart as Jimbo and need to > be told they are being exploited. :'D Because there isn't any other jobs to be had. They take what they can get. The fact (that escapes the CACL crowd among others) is that their choices are being manipulated and aren't free. Now you can blaim that on 'big business' or 'government' or whatever convenient fantasy you like. The final irrevocable fact is that PEOPLE DO IT TO PEOPLE. The 'how' isn't the real issue. CACL handwaving that its the 'government' is nothing more than spin doctor bullshit in their attempt to be 'the man'. Why else would they on one hand blaim the 'government' and then turn around and blaim the 'individuals'. It's odd they call 'the people' sheep while at the same time stating that they are the best ones (ie do away with government, go free market) to make their own decisions. Hypocrisy, until you realize they just want to be the one to do the exploiting. -- The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion. Edmund Burke (1784) The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::>/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
