Re: Research Shows Explosives Remain Part Of Human Hair

[Major Variola (ret)]

At 02:06 PM 4/8/04 -0400, R. A. Hettinga wrote:
>At 9:14 PM -0700 4/7/04, Steve Schear wrote:
>>Nah, just a plastic shower cap during explosive handling.
>
>On your arms? Legs? Hands?
>
>Arabs in bunny-suits. Whadda concept.

Disposable clothes don't have to be bunny suits.   Latex dishwashing
gloves
and a rain poncho.  Painter's masks, hats.  Duct tape for sealing seams.

Home Depot has plenty to offer.

You can always go out to the desert or forest.  Worths for meth labs
and they're messier than nitration lab.  Buying lots of ice to keep your

newly synthesized product cool is not suspicious.And you keep
your apartment clean, working outside.  (Some freedom fighting chemists
have been busted from nitric acid stains on the walls, for allah's
sake!)  Plus
you can test your stuff on a small scale.

Its a measurement arms race, and a false positive vs false negative
detection game.

If the shoebomber had had half a clue there'd be one less airplane.
Lighting
up on a non-smoking flight is a bit clueless... that's why they have
bathrooms..

And PS: some plastic explosives do not have the volitile tracers added
to them
that make them so easy to detect.  A little harder to get ahold of, but
if you
know the right people..

-
Tempura hostages anyone?  How's the Jap taste for video gore?
Will they pixellate the good parts?

Re: Research Shows Explosives Remain Part Of Human Hair

[Steve Schear]

At 10:08 AM 4/8/2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
And McVeigh used ammonium nitrate which wasn't tested, and as a
highly soluable (in fact deliquescent) inorganic it probably won't
persist like a nitrated organic.  Also common as dirt in agville.
He also added nitromethane to the mix, obtained through the common auto 
racing channels.


Nothing like dropping a little Miracle Gro in the men's room at the
airport to
keep the mass spec goon awake :-)
Note that if hair is collected they've got your DNA too.
Wonder if screeners will insist on taking a sample of hair from other body 
areas if you are bald?

steve 

Re: Research Shows Explosives Remain Part Of Human Hair

[R. A. Hettinga]

At 9:14 PM -0700 4/7/04, Steve Schear wrote:
>Nah, just a plastic shower cap during explosive handling.

On your arms? Legs? Hands?

Arabs in bunny-suits. Whadda concept.

See Mr. Mathers, below...

Cheers,
RAH

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RE: Research Shows Explosives Remain Part Of Human Hair

[Trei, Peter]

> Major Variola (ret)[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
> At 11:19 AM 4/8/04 +0200, Eugen Leitl wrote:
> >On Wed, Apr 07, 2004 at 10:03:13PM -0400, R. A. Hettinga wrote:
> >> Depilatory becomes a new standard accessory for the
> well-...um...-dressed
> >> terrorist...
> >
> >Ammonium nitrate is an ionic solid. Diesel fuel or equivalent heavy oil
> 
> >fraction don't show up as something unusual. Ditto inorganic
> detonators.
> 
> Amyl nitrate ("poppers" in head/sex shops) should have the opposite
> affect on TSA goons than normals, ie it should cause some sphincter
> puckering
> in them.  Another thing to spill in the lav.
> 
I'm not to sure on that. I've seen people who are active shooters get 
their range bags swabbed at airports, but never set off the detectors.

You'd have thought that a bag which spent a lot of time containing
ammo (smokeless powder is based on cellulose nitrate), uncleaned
firearms after sessions, and which sits nearby while firing is undeway,
would have all kinds of interesting traces on it.

Peter

Re: Research Shows Explosives Remain Part Of Human Hair

[Major Variola (ret)]

At 09:14 PM 4/7/04 -0700, Steve Schear wrote:
>At 07:03 PM 4/7/2004, R. A. Hettinga wrote:
>>Depilatory becomes a new standard accessory for the
well-...um...-dressed
>>terrorist...
>
>Nah, just a plastic shower cap during explosive handling.

Yep.  Everyone who's serious -from Dr. Kazcynzski to the ALF/Earth!
folks-
knows about keeping your DNA, prints, fibers, toolmarks off the product.

You even wipe the stuff from the hardware store so that the *clerk's*
prints are off, since that would tip location.

And McVeigh used ammonium nitrate which wasn't tested, and as a
highly soluable (in fact deliquescent) inorganic it probably won't
persist like a nitrated organic.  Also common as dirt in agville.

Nothing like dropping a little Miracle Gro in the men's room at the
airport to
keep the mass spec goon awake :-)

Note that if hair is collected they've got your DNA too.

Re: Research Shows Explosives Remain Part Of Human Hair

[Major Variola (ret)]

At 11:19 AM 4/8/04 +0200, Eugen Leitl wrote:
>On Wed, Apr 07, 2004 at 10:03:13PM -0400, R. A. Hettinga wrote:
>> Depilatory becomes a new standard accessory for the
well-...um...-dressed
>> terrorist...
>
>Ammonium nitrate is an ionic solid. Diesel fuel or equivalent heavy oil

>fraction don't show up as something unusual. Ditto inorganic
detonators.

Amyl nitrate ("poppers" in head/sex shops) should have the opposite
affect on TSA goons than normals, ie it should cause some sphincter
puckering
in them.  Another thing to spill in the lav.

Re: Research Shows Explosives Remain Part Of Human Hair

[Eugen Leitl]

On Wed, Apr 07, 2004 at 10:03:13PM -0400, R. A. Hettinga wrote:
> Depilatory becomes a new standard accessory for the well-...um...-dressed
> terrorist...

Ammonium nitrate is an ionic solid. Diesel fuel or equivalent heavy oil
fraction don't show up as something unusual. Ditto inorganic detonators.

Besides, the chemist is not the courier. This will only catch the amateurs.

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Re: Research Shows Explosives Remain Part Of Human Hair

[Steve Schear]

At 07:03 PM 4/7/2004, R. A. Hettinga wrote:


Depilatory becomes a new standard accessory for the well-...um...-dressed
terrorist...
Nah, just a plastic shower cap during explosive handling.

steve



Source:
University Of Rhode Island
Date:
2004-04-06
URL:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/04/040406083933.htm
Research Shows Explosives Remain Part Of Human Hair

KINGSTON, R.I -- March 17, 2004 -- The comb, that simple device millions of
people pass through their hair every day, could become the latest tool in
the battle against terrorism.
Thatís because a group of University of Rhode Island researchers has found
that chemicals used to make bombs remain in the hair of explosives handlers
long after repeated washings.