Re: What happened to the Cryptography list...?

[Bill Stewart]

At 07:05 PM 08/06/2003 +0100, Adam Back wrote:
The problems with closed lists relying on a single human for
forwarding and filtering...
Couldn't he just let people post in his absence?  It kind of detracts
from a list if it disappears for weeks at a time on a regular basis.
Also there are delays, and then there's Perry decisions that a
discussion is no longer worth persuing when contributors are still
interested to discuss.
If it's too quiet on Perry's list, you can always overflow discussions
back to the Cypherpunks list or sci.crypt.

Re: What happened to the Cryptography list...?

[Major Variola (ret)]

At 11:49 AM 8/6/03 -0700, Tim May wrote:
>On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 11:05  AM, Adam Back wrote:
>> Couldn't he just let people post in his absence?  It kind of detracts

>> from a list if it disappears for weeks at a time on a regular basis.

He moderates it.  His choice.  Single point of failure, regrettable.

>I enjoyed interacting with Perry about 10-11 years ago, mostly on the
>Extropians list. Perry was a major political ranter (even if it is not
>true that he coined the phrase "Utopia is not an option").

Amusing!  Because he keeps cryptography@ politics free, for the most
part.  Which seems to be why some knowledgable people post there
and do not bother with this group.  Specialization is fine.  I find it
useful
that both tech and techsocially clueful folks post here.

>I despise people's private fiefdoms, whether Dave Farber's "Interesting

>People" list or Lewis McCarthy's "Coderpunks" list or any of Bob
>Hettinga's various "BearerBunks" and "Phisodex" lists. And Perrypunks,
>with its quixotic policy about politics (politics banned, except when
>Perry wanted to rant), was just another private fiefdom.

A problem with editors in a free market?   That's a bit
reflexively-anarchic, no?   One man's "chafing" is another's
"straying off topic" I guess.

>I don't dispute their property right to do with their machines as they
>wish, absent contracts, but being in their fiefdoms chafes very
quickly.

Reputation/editing is useful for keeping S/N high, not that one can't
invest
personally (eg in kill files) to do this.

The distributed-CP remailing architecture is interesting, and enforces
an
anarchic (editor-free) forum, which is a good thing, but as a result has
a
S/N that deters some folks who are worth listening to, who do post
in the other, moderated forum.


"Thus ends, at least in Italy, the absurd anarchy that permits
anyone to publish online without standards and without restrictions,
and guarantees to the consumer minimum standards of quality in all
information content, for the first time including electronic media."
-Italian govt

Re: What happened to the Cryptography list...?

[R. A. Hettinga]

At 9:55 AM -0400 8/6/03, R. A. Hettinga wrote:
>Perry got sick a while back, and, if he's not in jail or something, :-), I bet that's 
>it.

Let me clarify that. A while ago, Perry got sick. The list was down for quite a while. 
Then he got better, and the list came back. I bet that's what's happening now. If he's 
not in jail. :-).

Cheers,
RAH
But, seriously, folks...
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RE: What happened to the Cryptography list...?

[Rayburn, Russell E.]

For what it's worth, I had the same experience and would like to know what
happened to the wasabisystems list... 

Anyone out there know?

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Subject: What happened to the Cryptography list...?


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Status:  U
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 02:02:04 -0700 (PDT)
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: What happened to the Cryptography list...?
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Kind sir:

As the subject says...  All of a sudden mail just stopped.

Figuring that I had, somehow, become unsubscribed from the list, I
tried to re-subscribe.  This resulted in an "Unknown list" message from
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Any ideas?  could assist please?  I know that you are not the list
owner, but you, at one time, seemed to be active on the list.

Regards,
Gregory Hicks

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Re: What happened to the Cryptography list...?

[Bill Stewart]

Bob - Perry's cryptography list moved from wasabisystems to
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