Re: So many statists

[John Young]

Tim has become so proprietary about cypherpunks it's strange
that he's never operated a node himself, or underwritten all of
them in the generous spirit of John Gilmore. Maybe Tim has
been underwriting them quietly and that accounts for his 
obnoxious bitching when the discourse doesn't go the way
he wants it -- he being a believer in getting good head for
his money, or else, plonk the hoes.

Drug dealers work the same model, as do pimps, and
bandits, and big-shit right-wing thugs CEOs, none of whom 
love the urchins who drain their pickles, generate their wealth, 
instead they yarp the Calvinist creed that economic success 
equates with superior human value, that if you're not wealthy
you're not of much account, rather than admit the evidence 
that the opposite is most often true, that wealthy people are
some of the dumbest people on earth, fountainheads of
blather, and got to have obsequious minions -- usually (low)
paid, but if not then brainwashed -- on hand at all times to 
listen to their cantankerous tommyrot fantasies ever-generated 
to avoid pondering the consequences of their brutish exploitation.

Tim repeatedly abandons cyperpunks when one of his spews
gets dissed. Goes elsewhere looking for admirers or newbies
to pound, and if pounded back, comes back to cypherpunks
to plead to ye old tyme succor, parading his past accomplishments
to see who'll applaud.

Same same same comes out of idlers worldwide, the wealthy
ones the most so. But even welfare cheats talk Tim's talk,
rather Tim whines like welfare cheats, both sharing contempt 
for people like themselves, but hoping by blaming others their
own shiftlessness will be overlooked.

There are wealthy people who don't suffer Tim's conceited warped
negativizing narcissism. Some of them have supported cypherpunks
with far more than derivative, endlessly recycled opinions and
braggardy. True, these goodhearts are the exception among typically
vile successful assholes, but they save the whole rotten barrel 
of the rich from getting what it deserves.

That is why Tim fears Gilmore's courage, envy.

 

So many statists

[Tim May]

On Jan 3, 2004, at 3:01 PM, bgt wrote:
(Jeez, I just recently got back onto this list after a several-year
hiatus.  How the hell did so many statists ever get the idea that
ubiquitous cryptography would ever further their goals?  Or are they
just here to distract us with statism vs liberty type political
debates so we can't get any real work done??)
Most of those now posting (and maybe most of those subscribed, but I am 
only speculating) are various eurotrash lefties and anti-globalist 
activists who decided that crypto is cool after their anti-corporate, 
anti-choice rallies in Seattle, Milano, and other cities shut down by 
the Yippie marches and barricades. I assume they figured that since 
they were using PGP to communicate with their fellow anti-capitalists, 
that crypto must be cool (I'm not sure if they favor the negro term, 
bad, or the traditional term, good, so I'll use the term of my 
generation, cool.)

Are they confused? Yep.

Welcome to the Gen X and Gen Y (and soon) the Gen Z world. Crypto be 
bad, dog! This nigga be bouncin'!

I'm actually glad to see that Cypherpunks nodes are winding down, that 
we no longer have monthly meetings, and that the Movement is ending. 
Better that than to see it hijacked by the eurotrash lefties, New York 
collectivists, and anti-globalist warriors against free trade.

--Tim May, Corralitos, California
Quote of the Month: It is said that there are no atheists in foxholes; 
perhaps there are no true libertarians in times of terrorist attacks. 
--Cathy Young, Reason Magazine, both enemies of liberty.

RE: So many statists...uh, who gives a crap?

[Tyler Durden]

Tim May wrote...

I assume they figured that since they were using PGP to communicate with 
their fellow anti-capitalists, that crypto must be cool

Here's the question Tyler Durden has for you.

Which is more important...annhiliation of the state, or getting a bunch of 
list subscribers to agree that annhiation of the state is a good thing?

You yourself have claimed to be something of a techno determinist. In 
other words, you've made a good case that Strong crypto will eventually lead 
to collapse of the state...people's BELIEF about the implications of strong 
crypto are largely irrelevant.

Eurotrash, New York Collectivists and so on should be given nice, big 
fat pat on the backs, so long as this will encourage proliferation of strong 
crypto. Who gives a crap what people BELIEVE?

In fact, I'd argue that, if your beliefs prove to be correct, then making 
people see the implications of strong crypto is ultimately probably a bad 
thing...not everyone wants to wreck the state. Some people WANT to be able 
to boss others around (or at least want someone else to be doing this). 
Hell, probably most human beings in 2003 are in this category.

-TD



Me? I like the Protestant reformation analogy: I'm not convinced strong 
crypto will necessarily lead to destruction of the state, just like the 
reformation didn't lead to destruction of the Catholic church. However, in 
the long run, whatever emerges has got to be better than what we've got 
today.






From: Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: So many statists
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 16:06:35 -0800
On Jan 3, 2004, at 3:01 PM, bgt wrote:
(Jeez, I just recently got back onto this list after a several-year
hiatus.  How the hell did so many statists ever get the idea that
ubiquitous cryptography would ever further their goals?  Or are they
just here to distract us with statism vs liberty type political
debates so we can't get any real work done??)
Most of those now posting (and maybe most of those subscribed, but I am 
only speculating) are various eurotrash lefties and anti-globalist 
activists who decided that crypto is cool after their anti-corporate, 
anti-choice rallies in Seattle, Milano, and other cities shut down by the 
Yippie marches and barricades. I assume they figured that since they were 
using PGP to communicate with their fellow anti-capitalists, that crypto 
must be cool (I'm not sure if they favor the negro term, bad, or the 
traditional term, good, so I'll use the term of my generation, cool.)

Are they confused? Yep.

Welcome to the Gen X and Gen Y (and soon) the Gen Z world. Crypto be bad, 
dog! This nigga be bouncin'!

I'm actually glad to see that Cypherpunks nodes are winding down, that we 
no longer have monthly meetings, and that the Movement is ending. Better 
that than to see it hijacked by the eurotrash lefties, New York 
collectivists, and anti-globalist warriors against free trade.

--Tim May, Corralitos, California
Quote of the Month: It is said that there are no atheists in foxholes; 
perhaps there are no true libertarians in times of terrorist attacks. 
--Cathy Young, Reason Magazine, both enemies of liberty.
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So many statists

[Tim May]

On Jan 3, 2004, at 3:01 PM, bgt wrote:
(Jeez, I just recently got back onto this list after a several-year
hiatus.  How the hell did so many statists ever get the idea that
ubiquitous cryptography would ever further their goals?  Or are they
just here to distract us with statism vs liberty type political
debates so we can't get any real work done??)
Most of those now posting (and maybe most of those subscribed, but I am 
only speculating) are various eurotrash lefties and anti-globalist 
activists who decided that crypto is cool after their anti-corporate, 
anti-choice rallies in Seattle, Milano, and other cities shut down by 
the Yippie marches and barricades. I assume they figured that since 
they were using PGP to communicate with their fellow anti-capitalists, 
that crypto must be cool (I'm not sure if they favor the negro term, 
bad, or the traditional term, good, so I'll use the term of my 
generation, cool.)

Are they confused? Yep.

Welcome to the Gen X and Gen Y (and soon) the Gen Z world. Crypto be 
bad, dog! This nigga be bouncin'!

I'm actually glad to see that Cypherpunks nodes are winding down, that 
we no longer have monthly meetings, and that the Movement is ending. 
Better that than to see it hijacked by the eurotrash lefties, New York 
collectivists, and anti-globalist warriors against free trade.

--Tim May, Corralitos, California
Quote of the Month: It is said that there are no atheists in foxholes; 
perhaps there are no true libertarians in times of terrorist attacks. 
--Cathy Young, Reason Magazine, both enemies of liberty.

Re: So many statists

[John Young]

Tim has become so proprietary about cypherpunks it's strange
that he's never operated a node himself, or underwritten all of
them in the generous spirit of John Gilmore. Maybe Tim has
been underwriting them quietly and that accounts for his 
obnoxious bitching when the discourse doesn't go the way
he wants it -- he being a believer in getting good head for
his money, or else, plonk the hoes.

Drug dealers work the same model, as do pimps, and
bandits, and big-shit right-wing thugs CEOs, none of whom 
love the urchins who drain their pickles, generate their wealth, 
instead they yarp the Calvinist creed that economic success 
equates with superior human value, that if you're not wealthy
you're not of much account, rather than admit the evidence 
that the opposite is most often true, that wealthy people are
some of the dumbest people on earth, fountainheads of
blather, and got to have obsequious minions -- usually (low)
paid, but if not then brainwashed -- on hand at all times to 
listen to their cantankerous tommyrot fantasies ever-generated 
to avoid pondering the consequences of their brutish exploitation.

Tim repeatedly abandons cyperpunks when one of his spews
gets dissed. Goes elsewhere looking for admirers or newbies
to pound, and if pounded back, comes back to cypherpunks
to plead to ye old tyme succor, parading his past accomplishments
to see who'll applaud.

Same same same comes out of idlers worldwide, the wealthy
ones the most so. But even welfare cheats talk Tim's talk,
rather Tim whines like welfare cheats, both sharing contempt 
for people like themselves, but hoping by blaming others their
own shiftlessness will be overlooked.

There are wealthy people who don't suffer Tim's conceited warped
negativizing narcissism. Some of them have supported cypherpunks
with far more than derivative, endlessly recycled opinions and
braggardy. True, these goodhearts are the exception among typically
vile successful assholes, but they save the whole rotten barrel 
of the rich from getting what it deserves.

That is why Tim fears Gilmore's courage, envy.

 

RE: So many statists...uh, who gives a crap?

[Tyler Durden]

Tim May wrote...

I assume they figured that since they were using PGP to communicate with 
their fellow anti-capitalists, that crypto must be cool

Here's the question Tyler Durden has for you.

Which is more important...annhiliation of the state, or getting a bunch of 
list subscribers to agree that annhiation of the state is a good thing?

You yourself have claimed to be something of a techno determinist. In 
other words, you've made a good case that Strong crypto will eventually lead 
to collapse of the state...people's BELIEF about the implications of strong 
crypto are largely irrelevant.

Eurotrash, New York Collectivists and so on should be given nice, big 
fat pat on the backs, so long as this will encourage proliferation of strong 
crypto. Who gives a crap what people BELIEVE?

In fact, I'd argue that, if your beliefs prove to be correct, then making 
people see the implications of strong crypto is ultimately probably a bad 
thing...not everyone wants to wreck the state. Some people WANT to be able 
to boss others around (or at least want someone else to be doing this). 
Hell, probably most human beings in 2003 are in this category.

-TD



Me? I like the Protestant reformation analogy: I'm not convinced strong 
crypto will necessarily lead to destruction of the state, just like the 
reformation didn't lead to destruction of the Catholic church. However, in 
the long run, whatever emerges has got to be better than what we've got 
today.






From: Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: So many statists
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 16:06:35 -0800
On Jan 3, 2004, at 3:01 PM, bgt wrote:
(Jeez, I just recently got back onto this list after a several-year
hiatus.  How the hell did so many statists ever get the idea that
ubiquitous cryptography would ever further their goals?  Or are they
just here to distract us with statism vs liberty type political
debates so we can't get any real work done??)
Most of those now posting (and maybe most of those subscribed, but I am 
only speculating) are various eurotrash lefties and anti-globalist 
activists who decided that crypto is cool after their anti-corporate, 
anti-choice rallies in Seattle, Milano, and other cities shut down by the 
Yippie marches and barricades. I assume they figured that since they were 
using PGP to communicate with their fellow anti-capitalists, that crypto 
must be cool (I'm not sure if they favor the negro term, bad, or the 
traditional term, good, so I'll use the term of my generation, cool.)

Are they confused? Yep.

Welcome to the Gen X and Gen Y (and soon) the Gen Z world. Crypto be bad, 
dog! This nigga be bouncin'!

I'm actually glad to see that Cypherpunks nodes are winding down, that we 
no longer have monthly meetings, and that the Movement is ending. Better 
that than to see it hijacked by the eurotrash lefties, New York 
collectivists, and anti-globalist warriors against free trade.

--Tim May, Corralitos, California
Quote of the Month: It is said that there are no atheists in foxholes; 
perhaps there are no true libertarians in times of terrorist attacks. 
--Cathy Young, Reason Magazine, both enemies of liberty.
_
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