Re: Terror in the Skies, Again?
Tyler Durden wrote: Sounds to me like Al-Qaeda is just getting the most mileage they can out of their little PR Event a couple of years ago. They don't even need to blow up anything to get the most bang for their buck. Hell, in this story the biggest threat was the incompetence of the airline. Assuming its true (*) the one security breach is the action of the cabin crew member who tried to reassure this woman by going on about air marshalls. That security breach should certainly get them sacked, and probably interrogated by the men in cheap suits. Or does she assume that apparently nervous middle-aged middle-class white women can't be bombers? (*) (which it might be, US print journalistic standards are higher than our British ones - if I read this in a UK paper like the Dally Mail or the Sun I'd assume it was some rambling racist fantasy put ion as political propaganda - on the other hand our broadcast journalism is mostly better than yours, so there)
Re: Terror in the Skies, Again?
On Mon, 26 Jul 2004, ken wrote: Sounds to me like Al-Qaeda is just getting the most mileage they can out of their little PR Event a couple of years ago. They don't even need to blow up anything to get the most bang for their buck. Hell, in this story the biggest threat was the incompetence of the airline. Assuming its true (*) the one security breach is the action of the cabin crew member who tried to reassure this woman by going on about air marshalls. That security breach should certainly get them sacked, and probably interrogated by the men in cheap suits. Or does she assume that apparently nervous middle-aged middle-class white women can't be bombers? (*) (which it might be, US print journalistic standards are higher than our British ones - if I read this in a UK paper like the Dally Mail or the Sun I'd assume it was some rambling racist fantasy put ion as political propaganda - on the other hand our broadcast journalism is mostly better than yours, so there) The article was reprinted in the News Review section of yesterday's Sunday Times (which Americans seem to prefer calling the London Times). -- Jim Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel +44 117 982 0786 mobile +44 797 373 7881 http://jxcl.sourceforge.net Java unit test coverage http://xlattice.sourceforge.net p2p communications infrastructure
Re: Terror in the Skies, Again?
At 03:52 AM 7/26/2004, ken wrote: Assuming its true (*) the one security breach is the action of the cabin crew member who tried to reassure this woman by going on about air marshalls. That security breach should certainly get them sacked, and probably interrogated by the men in cheap suits. Or does she assume that apparently nervous middle-aged middle-class white women can't be bombers? The flight attendant didn't identify which six people were air marshals, and since the normal number of them ranges from zero to two per flight, she was almost certainly just lying to calm down the troublesome passenger (who definitely had no class, middle or otherwise.) One of the entertaining followup items from this event was that, yes, the group of ~14 Syrian musicians were really just musicians on tour, but in fact their visas had expired about 3 weeks earlier, though the TSA thugs who interrogated them after they arrived didn't notice it. I was surprised they were musicians - I'd expected them to have been a soccer team, and I've been on enough airplanes with sports teams on them that their behavior sounds totally typical. And Middle Easterners flying out of Detroit? What a surprise! (Detroit's one of the main places that Arab immigrants move.) Anne Jacobsen, prejudiced white columnist, wrote What I experienced during that flight has caused me to question whether the United States of America can realistically uphold the civil liberties of every individual, even non-citizens, and protect its citizens from terrorist threats. And she's obviously in favor of protection, whether or not it takes a police state to do it.
Re: Terror in the Skies, Again?
On Mon, 26 Jul 2004, ken wrote: Sounds to me like Al-Qaeda is just getting the most mileage they can out of their little PR Event a couple of years ago. They don't even need to blow up anything to get the most bang for their buck. Hell, in this story the biggest threat was the incompetence of the airline. Assuming its true (*) the one security breach is the action of the cabin crew member who tried to reassure this woman by going on about air marshalls. That security breach should certainly get them sacked, and probably interrogated by the men in cheap suits. Or does she assume that apparently nervous middle-aged middle-class white women can't be bombers? (*) (which it might be, US print journalistic standards are higher than our British ones - if I read this in a UK paper like the Dally Mail or the Sun I'd assume it was some rambling racist fantasy put ion as political propaganda - on the other hand our broadcast journalism is mostly better than yours, so there) The article was reprinted in the News Review section of yesterday's Sunday Times (which Americans seem to prefer calling the London Times). -- Jim Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel +44 117 982 0786 mobile +44 797 373 7881 http://jxcl.sourceforge.net Java unit test coverage http://xlattice.sourceforge.net p2p communications infrastructure
Re: Terror in the Skies, Again?
Tyler Durden wrote: Sounds to me like Al-Qaeda is just getting the most mileage they can out of their little PR Event a couple of years ago. They don't even need to blow up anything to get the most bang for their buck. Hell, in this story the biggest threat was the incompetence of the airline. Assuming its true (*) the one security breach is the action of the cabin crew member who tried to reassure this woman by going on about air marshalls. That security breach should certainly get them sacked, and probably interrogated by the men in cheap suits. Or does she assume that apparently nervous middle-aged middle-class white women can't be bombers? (*) (which it might be, US print journalistic standards are higher than our British ones - if I read this in a UK paper like the Dally Mail or the Sun I'd assume it was some rambling racist fantasy put ion as political propaganda - on the other hand our broadcast journalism is mostly better than yours, so there)
Re: Terror in the Skies, Again?
At 03:52 AM 7/26/2004, ken wrote: Assuming its true (*) the one security breach is the action of the cabin crew member who tried to reassure this woman by going on about air marshalls. That security breach should certainly get them sacked, and probably interrogated by the men in cheap suits. Or does she assume that apparently nervous middle-aged middle-class white women can't be bombers? The flight attendant didn't identify which six people were air marshals, and since the normal number of them ranges from zero to two per flight, she was almost certainly just lying to calm down the troublesome passenger (who definitely had no class, middle or otherwise.) One of the entertaining followup items from this event was that, yes, the group of ~14 Syrian musicians were really just musicians on tour, but in fact their visas had expired about 3 weeks earlier, though the TSA thugs who interrogated them after they arrived didn't notice it. I was surprised they were musicians - I'd expected them to have been a soccer team, and I've been on enough airplanes with sports teams on them that their behavior sounds totally typical. And Middle Easterners flying out of Detroit? What a surprise! (Detroit's one of the main places that Arab immigrants move.) Anne Jacobsen, prejudiced white columnist, wrote What I experienced during that flight has caused me to question whether the United States of America can realistically uphold the civil liberties of every individual, even non-citizens, and protect its citizens from terrorist threats. And she's obviously in favor of protection, whether or not it takes a police state to do it.
Re: Terror in the Skies, Again?
At 02:19 PM 7/16/04 -0500, Riad S. Wahby wrote: I don't quite know what to make of this. Is it just paranoid rambling? http://www.womenswallstreet.com/WWS/article_landing.aspx?titleid=1articleid=711 What I experienced during that flight has caused me to question whether the United States of America can realistically uphold the civil liberties of every individual, even non-citizens, and protect its citizens from terrorist threats. Ask the American citizens interned in California during WWII..
Re: Terror in the Skies, Again?
Sounds to me like Al-Qaeda is just getting the most mileage they can out of their little PR Event a couple of years ago. They don't even need to blow up anything to get the most bang for their buck. Hell, in this story the biggest threat was the incompetence of the airline. -TD From: Major Variola (ret) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Terror in the Skies, Again? Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 17:36:21 -0700 At 02:19 PM 7/16/04 -0500, Riad S. Wahby wrote: I don't quite know what to make of this. Is it just paranoid rambling? http://www.womenswallstreet.com/WWS/article_landing.aspx?titleid=1articleid=711 What I experienced during that flight has caused me to question whether the United States of America can realistically uphold the civil liberties of every individual, even non-citizens, and protect its citizens from terrorist threats. Ask the American citizens interned in California during WWII.. _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
Re: Terror in the Skies, Again?
At 02:19 PM 7/16/04 -0500, Riad S. Wahby wrote: I don't quite know what to make of this. Is it just paranoid rambling? http://www.womenswallstreet.com/WWS/article_landing.aspx?titleid=1articleid=711 What I experienced during that flight has caused me to question whether the United States of America can realistically uphold the civil liberties of every individual, even non-citizens, and protect its citizens from terrorist threats. Ask the American citizens interned in California during WWII..
Terror in the Skies, Again?
I don't quite know what to make of this. Is it just paranoid rambling? http://www.womenswallstreet.com/WWS/article_landing.aspx?titleid=1articleid=711 Terror in the Skies, Again? By Annie Jacobsen Note from the E-ditors: You are about to read an account of what happened during a domestic flight that one of our writers, Annie Jacobsen, took from Detroit to Los Angeles. The WWS Editorial Team debated long and hard about how to handle this information and ultimately we decided it was something that should be shared. What does it have to do with finances? Nothing, and everything. Here is Annie's story. On June 29, 2004, at 12:28 p.m., I flew on Northwest Airlines flight #327 from Detroit to Los Angeles with my husband and our young son. Also on our flight were 14 Middle Eastern men between the ages of approximately 20 and 50 years old. What I experienced during that flight has caused me to question whether the United States of America can realistically uphold the civil liberties of every individual, even non-citizens, and protect its citizens from terrorist threats. .. -- Riad S. Wahby [EMAIL PROTECTED]
