Jamesd; the ex-trotskyists 'enemies list.'
It's interesting to note a peculiar pattern that seems to be emerging: many of the biggest warmongers, in the post 9/11 era, are ex-nutballs of one sort or another who went straight and veered off into a more lucrative variety of extremism. Murawiec is merely the latest case. Think of David Horowitz, the ex-leftist cheerleader for the Black Panthers who now goes around lecturing blacks on their alleged racism and demanding all-out war on the Arab world. Think of Stephen Schwartz, the Weekly Standard's expert on Wahabism, who gave up the fringe politics of left-anarcho-Trotksyism to become a major theoretician of the Riyadh-as-kernel of evil school. How long were you a trot jamesd? 4 years?,5? Not that theres anything wrong with that.
Re: The Enemies List
On 14 Sep 2001, at 15:18, Jim Choate wrote: On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, Nomen Nescio wrote: You and other critics have every right to speak your mind and make your position known. Indeed, the cypherpunks were founded on the principle of advancing freedom of speech. It is a sad and tragic irony that one of the founders of that group has descended into a despicable allegiance to violence. Long-term subscribers have seen it happen gradually over the years. Descended hell, he's always been that way. Well well well, long time ago that I was on the Cypherpunk list. Nothing changed there it seems! Although there were and probably are quite some interesting writers on the list I think I won't subscribe again. Problem is I'm against absolute anonymity, I think working on it is technically interesting but the result is nothing less than a-social and I'm not at all against democratic societies. It's easy to say so for me since I live in a pretty free country (The Netherlands) but as a whole when there is no war, we don't need anonymity as far as I see it. You can always find a journalist or someone else to tell your story to the world if you have serious problems. No information should be distributed without someone responsible for it! Anonymity like we have on the net now makes me think of the middle ages, when the cities started to come up. When you weren't a citizen you might not enter with weapons those day's. Leave them at the entrance. Often it was even necessary to leave the city before the night... After some time (centuries) they came up with the horrible idea to give people identities that could be verified. They later evolved to passports. So people from one city could operate in other cities and even countries, as long as your country more or less guaranteed your identity. What we need as soon as possible is Digital Identity (DI), not from commercial companies like banks, yuck(!), no our governments should add a chip to our passports. Without that chip no serious communication. Of course that wouldn't be such a very good idea for privacy, so DI without further provisions wouldn't be such a good idea. The solution is that your DI should entitle to as much virtual identities as you would like to have. Government (or a third party setup by the three main parties of the Trias Politica) should only reveal your real/absolute identity if a judge has judged so according to democratically agreed laws. +++chefren (Yes, that's my real forename exclusive enough I think, and if the absolute e-mail address works, who needs to know more?)
Re: The Enemies List
Has the fact that a disaster occurred changed much? The US was always vulnerable, now the general population knows it. I'm expecting war in the Middle East and reprisals in the States. There is not a great deal anyone can do about it. As for the fallout of Tuesday's events, well...the heart of the crypto issue hasn't changed one iota. Those idiots who are advocating bans and back doors are off in the tall grass as they always have been. They are promising safety that they cannot now or ever deliver no matter what tools they are given. Like con artists soliciting donations that will never make it to the people who need it they are trying to leverage a tragedy as a means to further their own businesses, careers and power with no regard for the outcome. Are these advocates of the erosion of civil liberties enemies and criminals? Sure, and they'll be fought the same way they've been fought before - in the courts, in the press and in front of a monitor. As for the talk of violence, I have no way, need or desire to sort the rhetorical from the real so I won't even try. Yesterday I was behind any action our government wanted to take, today, after hearing calls to increase domestic surveillance capabilities and learning that my keychain Victorinox is a felonious weapon, I'm back to my usual pessimism. I think there are far too many clueless morons in positions of power for the job of governing to be done well. I hope that I'm wrong and that there are enough truly bright and dedicated people to do a good job. Mike
The Enemies List
On Friday, September 14, 2001, at 05:13 AM, chefren wrote: On 13 Sep 2001, at 20:38, Tim May wrote: On Thursday, September 13, 2001, at 06:22 PM, chefren wrote: Cypherpunks, I am forwarding this complete with names of cc:s attached to show you some of the enemies out there. I've gotten several personal e-mails. I am asking Declan, my friend, NOT to forward my posts to his various lists., So why do you forward this to the cypherpunks list? What gives you the moral right? So that they will know their enemy. --Tim May
Re: The Enemies List
On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, Nomen Nescio wrote: You and other critics have every right to speak your mind and make your position known. Indeed, the cypherpunks were founded on the principle of advancing freedom of speech. It is a sad and tragic irony that one of the founders of that group has descended into a despicable allegiance to violence. Long-term subscribers have seen it happen gradually over the years. Descended hell, he's always been that way. -- natsugusa ya...tsuwamonodomo ga...yume no ato summer grass...those mighty warriors'...dream-tracks Matsuo Basho The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
