Re: Unsubtle Wetwork
On Sun, 20 Jul 2003, Anonymous Sender wrote: > Those who actually earn their standard of living (ie. their business is > not contigent, directly or indirectly, upon US military supremacy) are > the minority. This is the most fundamental transformation of the US > society - massive recruitment by the government. Can't be. The US govmn't budget is only a few percent of GDP. The majority _can't_ depend on government, or it'll collapse. Witness FSU. And back to the brit, why did it take 2 days to "identify the body"? Was the face missing? If so, did he blow his head off before or after slitting his wrist :-) Patience, persistence, truth, Dr. mike
Re: Unsubtle Wetwork
>(* the official deficit, not counting the total lack of reserves/money >for Socialist Insecurity, bond indebtedness, pension guarantees, loan >guarantees, and other unfunded liabilities; some estimates place the >real deficit at about $30 trillion, i.e., $30 thousand billion. With >about 100 million taxpayers in the U.S., each owes $300,000. Needless >to say, this owed amount, on average, is substantially more than their >complete assets, on average. Even with the "official" indebtedness, the >amount owed (if one accepts a national debt as a personal indebtedness) >is upwards of $60,000. I use the larger amount because the U.S. >government actually _has_ incurred that debt, officially reported or >not.) This is slightly off the topic ... Some calculations done before by people who understand money flows (and are not at the same time priests of the Official Economy) show similar results. To me, this is a plausible explanation for the current domestic support of the US government. A majority of population (75% ? 90% ?) actually lives on ability of the US government to incur this debt and, having sufficient military power, not have to pay it back. The collusion with the government is much deeper than simple power of propaganda. Those who actually earn their standard of living (ie. their business is not contigent, directly or indirectly, upon US military supremacy) are the minority. This is the most fundamental transformation of the US society - massive recruitment by the government.
Re: Unsubtle Wetwork
On 19 Jul, John Young wrote: > > Foster's "suicide" for the Clintons, like Kelly's, is a sign that the > time is ever ripe to execute the Tim May Final Option in lieu of > believing what appears in the media, is told to surviving families, > is joked about in the private clubs of capitals around the globe. While I share some of Tim's apparent outrage, I am definitely not enthusiastic about the prospect of repulsive violent counter-action, which would actually be counter-productive in my opinion. It is the cycle of violence that is the problem, which is exacerbated greatly by the actions of the US administration. Anyway, I haven't been lurking for more that a few weeks, so I'm sorry if I misjudge any of you. Is there a web archive for the group? Regards, proclus http://www.gnu-darwin.org/ -- Visit proclus realm! http://proclus.tripod.com/ -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GMU/S d+@ s: a+ C UBOULI$ P+ L+++() E--- W++ N- !o K- w--- !O M++@ V-- PS+++ PE Y+ PGP-- t+++(+) 5+++ X+ R tv-(--)@ b !DI D- G e h--- r+++ y --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type APPLICATION/pgp-signature]
Re: Unsubtle Wetwork
Perhaps a suicide but if so it was induced by Kelly's treatment, not only by the goofus members of parliament, but more likely by the Ministry of Defence threatening to punish him for violation of the draconian Official Secrets Act. The Brits for all their admirable humor about vulgarity -- the new GCHQ called a "gaping anus" -- can be vile sonsofbitches when it comes to demanding obedience to authority, with the OSA a prime weapon to assure proper behavior or else. Beyond that there can be truly devastating social outcast penalties, and the worst of all, blackest of humor, withholding royal honors. Too bad the British realm never had to experience the cleansing guillotine -- by the populace not by the authorities. Due to that lack, and the USA's similar lack of final justice, pea-brained officials can get away with official murder, destruction of lives, lying and cheating for personal gain while holding office, or best, after leaving office. Foster's "suicide" for the Clintons, like Kelly's, is a sign that the time is ever ripe to execute the Tim May Final Option in lieu of believing what appears in the media, is told to surviving families, is joked about in the private clubs of capitals around the globe. At least the Reds owned up to their ideological perfidy, unlike those who truly believe in superiority, that is those who best represent inferior humans. No wonder the sonsofbitches fear assassination politics, not just the Jim Bell laughable version, the hard-eyed kind that comes in the night without warning.
Re: Unsubtle Wetwork
It now appears to be a suicide, or _very_ subtle wetwork indeed! http://news.google.com/url?q=http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/20/international/worldspecial/20KELL.html%3Fex%3D1059278400%26amp%3Ben%3Dfeb83d7800250089%26amp%3Bei%3D5062%26amp%3Bpartner%3DGOOGLE No surprise that Blair would like the Kelly tragedy put to rest. After all, much of the government has Kelly's blood on their hands (figuratively speaking). Oh how they were hoping that it was suicide, so that the truth is beside the point. There are now many facts that Blair and the US warmongers would like to have laid to rest. Then again, what is a little murder after you have unleashed devastating war on the world. ;-\ Regards, proclus http://www.gnu-darwin.org/ -- Visit proclus realm! http://proclus.tripod.com/ -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GMU/S d+@ s: a+ C UBOULI$ P+ L+++() E--- W++ N- !o K- w--- !O M++@ V-- PS+++ PE Y+ PGP-- t+++(+) 5+++ X+ R tv-(--)@ b !DI D- G e h--- r+++ y --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type APPLICATION/pgp-signature]
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It now appears to be a suicide, or _very_ subtle wetwork indeed! http://news.google.com/url?q=http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/20/international/worldspecial/20KELL.html%3Fex%3D1059278400%26amp%3Ben%3Dfeb83d7800250089%26amp%3Bei%3D5062%26amp%3Bpartner%3DGOOGLE No surprise that Blair would like the Kelly tragedy put to rest. After all, much of the government has Kelly's blood on their hands (figuratively speaking). Oh how they were hoping that it was suicide, so that the truth is beside the point. There are now many facts that Blair and the US warmongers would like to have laid to rest. Then again, what is a little murder after you have unleashed devastating war on the world. ;-\ Regards, proclus http://www.gnu-darwin.org/ -- Visit proclus realm! http://proclus.tripod.com/ -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GMU/S d+@ s: a+ C UBOULI$ P+ L+++() E--- W++ N- !o K- w--- !O M++@ V-- PS+++ PE Y+ PGP-- t+++(+) 5+++ X+ R tv-(--)@ b !DI D- G e h--- r+++ y --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Thanks you for your interesting notes, and this is my first post. My best current theory is that the "real mole" killed Kelly as a diversion. Now that Gilligan has changed his story, he has been discredited, but at least he lives. With Kelly dead, it may be harder to trace to their sources the lies that the Government told, and Campbell & Co. will be sleeping better at night. Anyway, everyone has a favorite conspiracy theory. If this is too far off topic, feel free to reply in private or direct me to another list. Regards, proclus http://www.gnu-darwin.org/ On 18 Jul, Tim May wrote: > -- Visit proclus realm! http://proclus.tripod.com/ -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GMU/S d+@ s: a+ C UBULI$ P+ L+++() E--- W++ N- !o K- w--- !O M++@ V-- PS+++ PE Y+ PGP-- t+++(+) 5+++ X+ R tv-(--)@ b !DI D- G e h--- r+++ y --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type APPLICATION/pgp-signature]
Unsubtle Wetwork
Weapons Adviser Named as Possible Source for BBC Story Disappears; Man's Body Found LONDON (AP) - Police searching for a missing Ministry of Defense adviser, who was named by the government as the possible source for a disputed news report on Iraqi arms, said Friday they have found a man's body near his home. http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGABVMP3AID.html Maybe he's just hanging out with Ritter in upstate NY...
