Re: CDR: Re: sources on steganography
i guess my sense of humor was missed by most of you. i might have to practice some more before going public unless i remain anonymous (although it might be too late now). h On Thu, 30 May 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jesus christ Hector! What the fuck are you planning to be when you grow up? A funeral director or something? Grow a sense of humor for chrissakes. Or get lost, whichever is easier. yeah, I top posted. And my sig is at the bottom. Sue me. On Thu, 30 May 2002, Hector Rosario wrote: Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 09:41:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Hector Rosario [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Morlock Elloi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CDR: Re: sources on steganography Why would I be interested in fool[ing] [you]. All I asked was for some help with sources. If you cannot be of help, at least don't be a hindrance. Besides, don't claim to speak for others. If envy is what drives you, then I suggest that you work on that. hr On Wed, 29 May 2002, Morlock Elloi wrote: I am writing my dissertation on steganography. Basically I'm writing a ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ You can't fool us. = end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
Re: sources on steganography
I am writing my dissertation on steganography. Basically I'm writing a
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You can't fool us.
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sources on steganography
I am writing my dissertation on steganography. Basically I'm writing a technical monograph that would be of use to undergraduate instructors. What do you think are the best sources on steganography on the Web? What about books other than Johnson, Katzenbeiser Peticolas, and the volumes covering the four international workshops on information hiding. I am also interested in the history of the subject. One major problem with the available sources covering the history (like Kahn) is that they completely disregard China, India, and Arab countries. Any pointers? thanks, hector
Re: sources on steganography
At 11:19 AM -0400 5/29/02, Hector Rosario wrote: I am writing my dissertation on steganography. Basically I'm writing a technical monograph that would be of use to undergraduate instructors. What do you think are the best sources on steganography on the Web? What about books other than Johnson, Katzenbeiser Peticolas, and the volumes covering the four international workshops on information hiding. I know that my book, _Disappearing Cryptography_, is being used as a textbook in a few schools. It's a bit broader than the others because it uses a more inclusive view of the topic. You can read a bit more here: http://www.wayner.org/books/discrypt2/ The book on Watermarking by Cox et al is also very nice, although very focused and very detailed. -Peter
Re: sources on steganography
Hector Rosario wrote: Why would I be interested in fool[ing] [you]. All I asked was for some ^ ^^ ^ help with sources. If you cannot be of help, at least don't be a ^ ^ ^ hindrance. Besides, don't claim to speak for others. If envy is what ^^ ^ drives you, then I suggest that you work on that. ^ ^ ^^ -- Steve FurlongComputer Condottiere Have GNU, Will Travel Vote Idiotarian --- it's easier than thinking
Re: CDR: Re: sources on steganography
i guess my sense of humor was missed by most of you. i might have to practice some more before going public unless i remain anonymous (although it might be too late now). h On Thu, 30 May 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jesus christ Hector! What the fuck are you planning to be when you grow up? A funeral director or something? Grow a sense of humor for chrissakes. Or get lost, whichever is easier. yeah, I top posted. And my sig is at the bottom. Sue me. On Thu, 30 May 2002, Hector Rosario wrote: Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 09:41:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Hector Rosario [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Morlock Elloi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CDR: Re: sources on steganography Why would I be interested in fool[ing] [you]. All I asked was for some help with sources. If you cannot be of help, at least don't be a hindrance. Besides, don't claim to speak for others. If envy is what drives you, then I suggest that you work on that. hr On Wed, 29 May 2002, Morlock Elloi wrote: I am writing my dissertation on steganography. Basically I'm writing a ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ You can't fool us. = end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
Re: sources on steganography
Why would I be interested in fool[ing] [you]. All I asked was for some
help with sources. If you cannot be of help, at least don't be a
hindrance. Besides, don't claim to speak for others. If envy is what
drives you, then I suggest that you work on that.
hr
On Wed, 29 May 2002, Morlock Elloi wrote:
I am writing my dissertation on steganography. Basically I'm writing a
^ ^ ^ ^ ^
You can't fool us.
=
end
(of original message)
Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows:
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Re: sources on steganography
Hector Rosario wrote:
Why would I be interested in fool[ing] [you]. All I asked was for some
help with sources. If you cannot be of help, at least don't be a
hindrance. Besides, don't claim to speak for others. If envy is what
drives you, then I suggest that you work on that.
hr
On Wed, 29 May 2002, Morlock Elloi wrote:
I am writing my dissertation on steganography. Basically I'm writing a
^ ^ ^ ^ ^
You can't fool us.
...or I am storb. for the proportionally-gifted.
Re: sources on steganography
At 11:19 AM -0400 5/29/02, Hector Rosario wrote: I am writing my dissertation on steganography. Basically I'm writing a technical monograph that would be of use to undergraduate instructors. What do you think are the best sources on steganography on the Web? What about books other than Johnson, Katzenbeiser Peticolas, and the volumes covering the four international workshops on information hiding. I know that my book, _Disappearing Cryptography_, is being used as a textbook in a few schools. It's a bit broader than the others because it uses a more inclusive view of the topic. You can read a bit more here: http://www.wayner.org/books/discrypt2/ The book on Watermarking by Cox et al is also very nice, although very focused and very detailed. -Peter
Re: sources on steganography
Hector Rosario wrote: Why would I be interested in fool[ing] [you]. All I asked was for some ^ ^^ ^ help with sources. If you cannot be of help, at least don't be a ^ ^ ^ hindrance. Besides, don't claim to speak for others. If envy is what ^^ ^ drives you, then I suggest that you work on that. ^ ^ ^^ -- Steve FurlongComputer Condottiere Have GNU, Will Travel Vote Idiotarian --- it's easier than thinking
Re: CDR: Re: sources on steganography
Jesus christ Hector! What the fuck are you planning to be when you grow up? A funeral director or something? Grow a sense of humor for chrissakes. Or get lost, whichever is easier. yeah, I top posted. And my sig is at the bottom. Sue me. On Thu, 30 May 2002, Hector Rosario wrote: Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 09:41:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Hector Rosario [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Morlock Elloi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CDR: Re: sources on steganography Why would I be interested in fool[ing] [you]. All I asked was for some help with sources. If you cannot be of help, at least don't be a hindrance. Besides, don't claim to speak for others. If envy is what drives you, then I suggest that you work on that. hr On Wed, 29 May 2002, Morlock Elloi wrote: I am writing my dissertation on steganography. Basically I'm writing a ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ You can't fool us. = end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
Re: sources on steganography
Peter Wayner has a few books that deal with this and related topics. Search for them on Amazon or wherever. At 11:19 AM 05/29/2002 -0400, you wrote: I am writing my dissertation on steganography. Basically I'm writing a technical monograph that would be of use to undergraduate instructors. What do you think are the best sources on steganography on the Web? What about books other than Johnson, Katzenbeiser Peticolas, and the volumes covering the four international workshops on information hiding. I am also interested in the history of the subject. One major problem with the available sources covering the history (like Kahn) is that they completely disregard China, India, and Arab countries. Any pointers? thanks, hector
Re: sources on steganography
On Thu, 2002-05-30 at 09:41, Hector Rosario wrote: Why would I be interested in fool[ing] [you]. All I asked was for some help with sources. If you cannot be of help, at least don't be a hindrance. Besides, don't claim to speak for others. If envy is what drives you, then I suggest that you work on that. Dude relax. He was making a joke. If you don't get the joke there are definitely going to be some problems with you writing a dissertation on stego. Here is a suggestion for you, don't bite the hand that feeds you. -- + Douglas Calvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://anize.org/dfc + |Key Id 0xC9541FB2 http://anize.org/dfc-keys.asc| | http://imissjerry.org http://whoownsthisidea.org | +-| 0817 30D4 82B6 BB8D 5E66 06F6 B796 073D C954 1FB2 |-+ [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of signature.asc]
Re: sources on steganography
Why would I be interested in fool[ing] [you]. All I asked was for some
help with sources. If you cannot be of help, at least don't be a
hindrance. Besides, don't claim to speak for others. If envy is what
drives you, then I suggest that you work on that.
hr
On Wed, 29 May 2002, Morlock Elloi wrote:
I am writing my dissertation on steganography. Basically I'm writing a
^ ^ ^ ^ ^
You can't fool us.
=
end
(of original message)
Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows:
Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup
http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
Re: sources on steganography
Hector Rosario wrote: Why would I be interested in fool[ing] [you]. All I asked was for some ^ ^^ ^ help with sources. If you cannot be of help, at least don't be a ^ ^ ^ hindrance. Besides, don't claim to speak for others. If envy is what ^^ ^ drives you, then I suggest that you work on that. ^ ^ ^^ -- Steve FurlongComputer Condottiere Have GNU, Will Travel Vote Idiotarian --- it's easier than thinking
Re: sources on steganography
Hector Rosario wrote:
Why would I be interested in fool[ing] [you]. All I asked was for some
help with sources. If you cannot be of help, at least don't be a
hindrance. Besides, don't claim to speak for others. If envy is what
drives you, then I suggest that you work on that.
hr
On Wed, 29 May 2002, Morlock Elloi wrote:
I am writing my dissertation on steganography. Basically I'm writing a
^ ^ ^ ^ ^
You can't fool us.
...or I am storb. for the proportionally-gifted.
Re: sources on steganography
At 11:19 AM -0400 5/29/02, Hector Rosario wrote: I am writing my dissertation on steganography. Basically I'm writing a technical monograph that would be of use to undergraduate instructors. What do you think are the best sources on steganography on the Web? What about books other than Johnson, Katzenbeiser Peticolas, and the volumes covering the four international workshops on information hiding. I know that my book, _Disappearing Cryptography_, is being used as a textbook in a few schools. It's a bit broader than the others because it uses a more inclusive view of the topic. You can read a bit more here: http://www.wayner.org/books/discrypt2/ The book on Watermarking by Cox et al is also very nice, although very focused and very detailed. -Peter
Re: sources on steganography
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Subject: Re: sources on steganography
Why would I be interested in fool[ing] [you]. All I asked was for some
help with sources. If you cannot be of help, at least don't be a
hindrance. Besides, don't claim to speak for others. If envy is what
drives you, then I suggest that you work on that.
hr
On Wed, 29 May 2002, Morlock Elloi wrote:
I am writing my dissertation on steganography. Basically I'm writing a
^ ^ ^ ^ ^
You can't fool us.
=
end
(of original message)
Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows:
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Re: sources on steganography
Why would I be interested in fool[ing] [you]. All I asked was for some help with sources. If you cannot be of help, at least don't be a I think that perception and sense of humour are sort of required for crypto work. = end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
Re: CDR: Re: sources on steganography
Jesus christ Hector! What the fuck are you planning to be when you grow up? A funeral director or something? Grow a sense of humor for chrissakes. Or get lost, whichever is easier. yeah, I top posted. And my sig is at the bottom. Sue me. On Thu, 30 May 2002, Hector Rosario wrote: Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 09:41:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Hector Rosario [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Morlock Elloi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CDR: Re: sources on steganography Why would I be interested in fool[ing] [you]. All I asked was for some help with sources. If you cannot be of help, at least don't be a hindrance. Besides, don't claim to speak for others. If envy is what drives you, then I suggest that you work on that. hr On Wed, 29 May 2002, Morlock Elloi wrote: I am writing my dissertation on steganography. Basically I'm writing a ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ You can't fool us. = end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
Re: sources on steganography
Peter Wayner has a few books that deal with this and related topics. Search for them on Amazon or wherever. At 11:19 AM 05/29/2002 -0400, you wrote: I am writing my dissertation on steganography. Basically I'm writing a technical monograph that would be of use to undergraduate instructors. What do you think are the best sources on steganography on the Web? What about books other than Johnson, Katzenbeiser Peticolas, and the volumes covering the four international workshops on information hiding. I am also interested in the history of the subject. One major problem with the available sources covering the history (like Kahn) is that they completely disregard China, India, and Arab countries. Any pointers? thanks, hector
sources on steganography
I am writing my dissertation on steganography. Basically I'm writing a technical monograph that would be of use to undergraduate instructors. What do you think are the best sources on steganography on the Web? What about books other than Johnson, Katzenbeiser Peticolas, and the volumes covering the four international workshops on information hiding. I am also interested in the history of the subject. One major problem with the available sources covering the history (like Kahn) is that they completely disregard China, India, and Arab countries. Any pointers? thanks, hector
Re: sources on steganography
I am writing my dissertation on steganography. Basically I'm writing a
^ ^ ^ ^ ^
You can't fool us.
=
end
(of original message)
Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows:
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http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
