Re: the Kuwait issue is not associated with America
-- On 20 Dec 2003 at 13:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's a video interview I saw about all of this on 60 minutes (I think) where it was made clear that Glaspie did in fact say to Saddam that We have no opinion on your Arab - Arab conflicts, such as your dispute with Kuwait. And, as diplomats tend to do, she also proceeded to imply the opposite. In any case, you are making the poor victimized Saddam argument When one hears this argument in any particular case, one does not need to check the facts of that particular case. That poor little Saddam was victimized is an obviously stupid argument, and anyone making it an obviously evil person. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG 6WGBV4YgV3ERm+ANnc1R5PyBtJd1N+U/T6s1mBLK 4HFuMQjPp6w0HFllkQpbmhad5CnhaAWYf7P9QsMvn
the Kuwait issue is not associated with America
Thanks Steve, I don't think I have heard this before. I googled on the text you quoted and found this url http://wais.stanford.edu/Iraq/iraq_andambassaprilglaspie22303.html and a few more http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ARTICLE5/april.html http://www.chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/glaspie.html I don't know what to say. This makes me sick to my stomach. I guess one way of lookin at this is that U.S. played dirty and deceiving. U.S. is more or less the reason Iraq invaded Kuwait. I guess this is not told on Fox news.
Re: the Kuwait issue is not associated with America
On 20 Dec 2003 at 12:40, Nomen Nescio wrote: Thanks Steve, I don't think I have heard this before. I googled on the text you quoted and found this url http://wais.stanford.edu/Iraq/iraq_andambassaprilglaspie22303.html and a few more http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ARTICLE5/april.html http://www.chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/glaspie.html I don't know what to say. This makes me sick to my stomach. I guess one way of lookin at this is that U.S. played dirty and deceiving. U.S. is more or less the reason Iraq invaded Kuwait. I guess this is not told on Fox news. I see you did not actually read http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ARTICLE5/april.html; There are two versions of Glaspie's conversation. One believable, one unbelievable. One of which tells Saddam that the US is deeply concerned about Saddam invading, implicitly threatening him while explicitly denying any threat, one of which gives the green light for invasion. One definitely gives the green light. The other can be read as giving the green light, but would not be so read by anyone who wanted to stay alive. Needless to say, one version comes from more credible sources than the other.
Re: the Kuwait issue is not associated with America
I'm not sure what your motivation is for wanting to rewrite history, but that isn't what Glaspie said. There's a video interview I saw about all of this on 60 minutes (I think) where it was made clear that Glaspie did in fact say to Saddam that "We have no opinion on your Arab - Arab conflicts, such as your dispute with Kuwait." Regards, Matt-
Re: the Kuwait issue is not associated with America
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 20-Dec-03, at 1:04 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure what your motivation is for wanting to rewrite history, but that isn't what Glaspie said. I am guessing here that he just wants to believe that the US is acting in their foreign policy for the greater good, not for some selfish reasons. Nagging Conscience maybe? M. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 8.0.3 iQA/AwUBP+Sg12lCnxcrW2uuEQIzawCgtpmGBBy4B3f+nrbVWXQ0eo6HlFIAoJ/6 L6YIZYQbQhuuv1kcM/WgomLX =u4/h -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: the Kuwait issue is not associated with America
-- On 20 Dec 2003 at 13:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's a video interview I saw about all of this on 60 minutes (I think) where it was made clear that Glaspie did in fact say to Saddam that We have no opinion on your Arab - Arab conflicts, such as your dispute with Kuwait. And, as diplomats tend to do, she also proceeded to imply the opposite. In any case, you are making the poor victimized Saddam argument When one hears this argument in any particular case, one does not need to check the facts of that particular case. That poor little Saddam was victimized is an obviously stupid argument, and anyone making it an obviously evil person. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG 6WGBV4YgV3ERm+ANnc1R5PyBtJd1N+U/T6s1mBLK 4HFuMQjPp6w0HFllkQpbmhad5CnhaAWYf7P9QsMvn
Re: the Kuwait issue is not associated with America
On 20 Dec 2003 at 12:40, Nomen Nescio wrote: Thanks Steve, I don't think I have heard this before. I googled on the text you quoted and found this url http://wais.stanford.edu/Iraq/iraq_andambassaprilglaspie22303.html and a few more http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ARTICLE5/april.html http://www.chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/glaspie.html I don't know what to say. This makes me sick to my stomach. I guess one way of lookin at this is that U.S. played dirty and deceiving. U.S. is more or less the reason Iraq invaded Kuwait. I guess this is not told on Fox news. I see you did not actually read http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ARTICLE5/april.html; There are two versions of Glaspie's conversation. One believable, one unbelievable. One of which tells Saddam that the US is deeply concerned about Saddam invading, implicitly threatening him while explicitly denying any threat, one of which gives the green light for invasion. One definitely gives the green light. The other can be read as giving the green light, but would not be so read by anyone who wanted to stay alive. Needless to say, one version comes from more credible sources than the other.
Re: the Kuwait issue is not associated with America
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 20-Dec-03, at 1:04 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure what your motivation is for wanting to rewrite history, but that isn't what Glaspie said. I am guessing here that he just wants to believe that the US is acting in their foreign policy for the greater good, not for some selfish reasons. Nagging Conscience maybe? M. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 8.0.3 iQA/AwUBP+Sg12lCnxcrW2uuEQIzawCgtpmGBBy4B3f+nrbVWXQ0eo6HlFIAoJ/6 L6YIZYQbQhuuv1kcM/WgomLX =u4/h -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: the Kuwait issue is not associated with America
I'm not sure what your motivation is for wanting to rewrite history, but that isn't what Glaspie said. There's a video interview I saw about all of this on 60 minutes (I think) where it was made clear that Glaspie did in fact say to Saddam that "We have no opinion on your Arab - Arab conflicts, such as your dispute with Kuwait." Regards, Matt-
the Kuwait issue is not associated with America
Thanks Steve, I don't think I have heard this before. I googled on the text you quoted and found this url http://wais.stanford.edu/Iraq/iraq_andambassaprilglaspie22303.html and a few more http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ARTICLE5/april.html http://www.chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/glaspie.html I don't know what to say. This makes me sick to my stomach. I guess one way of lookin at this is that U.S. played dirty and deceiving. U.S. is more or less the reason Iraq invaded Kuwait. I guess this is not told on Fox news.
