Re: ACLU funds Total Awareness of State Abuse
[Apologies if you've seen this before, one of our machines has been quietly dropping outgoing mail...] Major Variola (ret) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's a mirror image to the government's plan to empower some Americans to check on their neighbors, under a program known as the Terrorism Information and Prevention System. Is that the American Neighbourhood Watch? That lead to the following post on the ukcrypto list a while back: -- Snip -- Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Beware! traitors are everywhere! You must immediately report any terrorists treasonous behaviour or any suspicion of treasonous behaviour to the terrorist Computer. Failure to do so is treason. American Neighbourhood Watch Some of your brother Troubleshooters may serve the Computer as Guardians neigbours A.N.W. neigbourhood Of Internal Security. They are present for your protection. They will wardens report any treasonous behaviour or hint of treasonous behaviour or terrorist terrorist suspicion that treasonous behavour might take place at some time in the terrorist future, to the Computer. Rejoice in the assurance that any treason A.N.W. terrorism among your companions will be discovered and punished. Devote your service to the Computer. Your loyalty will be generously A.N.W. rewarded. So there we have the real explanation - Dubya wants a live roleplaying version of the game. Peter. -- Snip -- Peter.
Re: Money is about expected future value....nothing more, nothing less
From: Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark cited the Bank of England, not U.S. law. I don't know what British law is in this regard. It does appear that the law in England is not as demanding as I believed: http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/banknotes/legaltender.htm The concept of legal tender is often misunderstood. Contrary to popular opinion, legal tender is not a means of payment that must be accepted by the parties to a transaction, but rather a legally defined means of payment that should not be refused by a creditor in satisfaction of a debt. Mark
Akamai
Anyone know anything about Akamai (www.akamai.com, also akamaitechnologies.com)? I was getting about a zillion hits on my web server from them this morning. They seem to offer services to gov't agencies according to their website. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com
Re: DBCs now issued by DMT
At 02:17 AM 12/05/2002 +, Peter Fairbrother wrote: OK, suppose we've got a bank that issues bearer money. Who owns the bank? It should be owned by bearer shares, of course. Why? Or the propounders wanting to: make a profit/control the bank? There are two main reasons honest people start banks - - either they want to make a profit / gain control / etc. - or else they want to get banking services with some predictability they're not finding in the commercial market, e.g. in the US, this is a Credit Union, or in many cultures, this is some family or private group that lends money to each other.
Re: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures Of Vice President'S Hotel
-- On 9 Dec 2002 at 9:17, Tim May wrote: Anyone in the U.S. can be declared an enemy combatant and vanished away from lawyers, habeas corpus, the 6th Amendment, and any semblance of the system of liberty we sort of had at one time. So far this has only been applied to people who are obviously hostile muslim terrorist wannabees, but the program will be steadily expanded. Indeed, part of the homeland security act already aims at people who make cartridges (reloaders), who will in due course be dealt with by the extrajudicial means provided for in the homeland security act. In general wars lead to a major temporary reduction in liberty, but a smaller permanent reduction in liberty. Unfortunately the war on terror will probably never end, so there will be no recovery. The government is on perfectly good constitutional ground when it claims that the army can do as it pleases on or near the battlefield. Trouble is, with terrorism or guerrilla war, the battlefield is arguably everywhere. We need a declaration of victory that will push the battlefield to somewhere far away. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG FLOmVFJWOQBqPSg63zjCLyzrGNzmKNAwje/jqRal 4BI7xjE+ItnxvhioCvggkQ6IREbp21mrBxAIeCBcg
Re: If this be terrorism make the most of it!
On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, Tim May wrote: Siliness, compounded. Show me a law about obligatory cameras in cybercafes. It's silly now. A few years back, the spook said that the NSA doesn't spy on US citizens and won't because that was not its charter.
Re: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures Of Vice President'S Hotel
Tyler Durden said: In a way, the potential and impending truth of Tim May's statement is for a me a motivator to continue to promote strong crypto, ubiquitous Wi-Fi, BlackNet, and so on. Hopefully it won't come down to the above. It already has. And the hell with the horses -- tie the other end of the rope to a fast car.
Re: Money is about expected future value....nothing more, nothing less
On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 03:23 AM, Marcel Popescu wrote: From: Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark cited the Bank of England, not U.S. law. I don't know what British law is in this regard. It does appear that the law in England is not as demanding as I believed: http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/banknotes/legaltender.htm The concept of legal tender is often misunderstood. Contrary to popular opinion, legal tender is not a means of payment that must be accepted by the parties to a transaction, but rather a legally defined means of payment that should not be refused by a creditor in satisfaction of a debt. Isn't this what I said? The language is along the lines of this note good for all debts public and private. This does not stop parties from agreeing to transfers in yak brains, or houses, or gold, or tantalum. It says that if Alice agrees to pay Bob 50 dollars ($50), with no special payment instructions agreed to, and Alice at some point gives Bob a $50 piece of U.S. currency, she has fulfilled her debt obligation under U.S. law. --Tim May Dogs can't conceive of a group of cats without an alpha cat. --David Honig, on the Cypherpunks list, 2001-11
Re: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures Of Vice President'S Hotel
On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 06:56 AM, Tyler Durden wrote: Frankly, millions of these fascists need a simple solution: a tree, a horse, and a rope. Damn. If it gets to the point where I'm a terrorist because some local warlord doesn't like me (or thinks I disrespect his authority), then might makes right is all that will be left. Anyone in the U.S. can be declared an enemy combatant and vanished away from lawyers, habeas corpus, the 6th Amendment, and any semblance of the system of liberty we sort of had at one time. In a way, the potential and impending truth of Tim May's statement is for a me a motivator to continue to promote strong crypto, ubiquitous Wi-Fi, BlackNet, and so on. Hopefully it won't come down to the above. It's mildly amusing to watch your months-long transition from newcomer to believer that crypto provides the tools for sabotaging the State and protecting real liberty. --Tim May If I'm going to reach out to the the Democrats then I need a third hand.There's no way I'm letting go of my wallet or my gun while they're around. --attribution uncertain, possibly Gunner, on Usenet
Re: If this be terrorism make the most of it!
Yeah, well terrorists use condoms and wear clothes too, so those are terrorist tools also, so we should run around naked and have unprotected sex just so we don't help the terrorists. Also, terrorists don't jump off cliffs like lemmings, so we should do that too. --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- + ^ + :NSA got $20Bil/year |Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :and didn't stop 9-11|share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ --*--:Instead of rewarding|monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ /|\ :their failures, we |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ + v + :should get refunds! |site, and you must change them very often. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sunder.net On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, Steve Schear wrote: http://www.wired.com/news/wireless/0,1382,56742,00.htmlhttp://www.wired.com/news/wireless/0,1382,56742,00.html Feds Label Wi-Fi a Terrorist Tool By Paul Boutin SANTA CLARA, California -- Attention, Wi-Fi users: The Department of Homeland Security sees wireless networking technology as a terrorist threat.
Re: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures Of Vice President'S Hotel
On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 10:55 AM, James A. Donald wrote: So far this has only been applied to people who are obviously hostile muslim terrorist wannabees, but the program will be steadily expanded. Indeed, part of the homeland security act already aims at people who make cartridges (reloaders), who will in due course be dealt with by the extrajudicial means provided for in the homeland security act. In general wars lead to a major temporary reduction in liberty, but a smaller permanent reduction in liberty. Unfortunately the war on terror will probably never end, so there will be no recovery. The government is on perfectly good constitutional ground when it claims that the army can do as it pleases on or near the battlefield. Trouble is, with terrorism or guerrilla war, the battlefield is arguably everywhere. We need a declaration of victory that will push the battlefield to somewhere far away. Permanent war was the ideal for statists long, long before Orwell correctly described it in 1984. The First Fascist, Lincoln, suspended the Constitution and instituted Emergency Powers which are still in place. (Others have studied this in more detail than I remember here. I think Froomkin was one who did a study. Anyway, the gist is that various Emergency Orders, Emergency Powers, etc. have been more or less in place since the 1860s. They took a sharp turn upward during the Second Fascist's rule, in the 1930s, and then again during the Third, Fourth, and Fifth Fascist periods.) --Tim May That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms. --Samuel Adams
Re: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures Of Vice President'S Hotel
On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 10:48 AM, Tyler Durden wrote: In a state where Crypto is not resisted (OK, there probably aren't a lot of these...perhaps in Europe or Canada?), Crypto defaults to the above. You really need to get up to speed on this issue if you think either the nations of Europe or Canada are more tolerant of crypto than the U.S. is. The archives have much material, findable with Google in most cases. ... This is essentially the view I had coming in, and its basically the view I have now, except I am thinking I should start finding the time to write some code! That sounds good. --Tim May They played all kinds of games, kept the House in session all night, and it was a very complicated bill. Maybe a handful of staffers actually read it, but the bill definitely was not available to members before the vote. --Rep. Ron Paul, TX, on how few Congresscritters saw the USA-PATRIOT Bill before voting overwhelmingly to impose a police state
Re: Akamai
Harmon Seaver writes: Anyone know anything about Akamai (www.akamai.com, also akamaitechnologies.com)? I was getting about a zillion hits on my web server from them this morning. They seem to offer services to gov't agencies according to their website. Their main service is serving static content, so as to reduce the load on their client's servers and improve response time. Originally almost all they did was deliver graphics. Their clients would place graphics on Akamai's servers and their html would point to Akamai's servers for images. Now they can put together content within an HTML page based on edge-side includes (http://www.esi.org). They also serve streaming formats for their clients. None of that would explain why they were hitting your site. Perhaps they are working on client-caching or a search engine.
Re: If this be terrorism make the most of it!
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Major Variola (ret) wrote: Got Reichstag? Mmh, smells like victory.
Re: Akamai
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Harmon Seaver wrote: Maybe somebody doesn't like the new look on my http://www.oshkoshbygosh.org site. heh, as someone who drives by Oshkosh a few times a year, I think that's a great satire. Good luck staying alive :-) Patience, persistence, truth, Dr. mike
Re: If this be terrorism make the most of it!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Phone booths already don't accept calls, by State Fiat. You think detecting and dropping modem calls from a CO is tough? It's just a matter of designing a (software ?) modem that will, instead of whisling and peeping, emulate soccer mom chatter. Lower rates, but undetectable. i had this idea 3 years ago and haven't done anything with it, so perhaps someone here might actually be able to make headway, or at least shoot it down. unfortunately, this irc session log is the best description that i can find anywhere, sorry for the format... -a - -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Log taken from xchat session on 29 Nov 1999: [14:33:49] attila [14:34:43] attila i have this fucking killer idea. i'm totally fried because i've been up all night so i can't explain it as well as i want to [14:35:16] attila but which do you prefer, just on a gut level aesthetic reaction: cryptotalk, cryptospeak, cryptovox [14:35:23] attila , you doo [14:35:28] wake up [14:35:38] yes [14:35:39] whgat [14:35:50] i'm so mentally and spiritually drained [14:35:57] attila look at what i just said [14:36:10] hmm, cryptovox cryptospeak then cryptotalk [14:36:14] attila i have an insanely good idea. [14:36:15] yeash [14:36:18] attila so you like cryptovox too, huh [14:36:21] attila i like cryptovox [14:36:24] attila i need a fucking laptop [14:36:48] attila okay, that's three votes for cryptovox [14:36:51] attila i like it best [14:37:17] attila my god i am lagged to holy fucking shit [14:37:19] are you going to register cryptovox.com ? [14:37:26] attila yes. may kill me but i have to do it [14:37:35] attila so here's the basic underlying idea [14:37:47] attila end to end encryption using phonemes spoken very quickly as the transport [14:38:01] attila so you could hold your laptop/pda up to your cellphone or a payphone and have it speak ciphertext [14:38:09] attila to a similar box on the other end [14:38:18] attila thus obviating the need for crypto in the phone or in the phone network [14:38:48] attila i'm positive that you could come up with a variety of algorithms for stringing together phonemes that would hold up well over a noisy channel [14:39:06] attila and speak them and recognize them fast enough on the other end to make it reasonable [14:39:08] hmm, interesting. How would you decode it ? [14:39:12] attila same thing [14:39:18] attila you have a little pda or laptop let's say [14:39:24] attila you hold it up to the phone or whatever [14:39:28] attila they talk [14:39:35] attila it's basically a modem but using speech [14:39:59] what kind of bandwidth do you think you could get ? [14:40:09] attila i have to experiment [14:40:18] attila but imagine a little palmpilot sized gizmo [14:40:24] attila you can talk to it [14:40:33] but its not as important as sending a secure message. [14:40:36] attila it can talk to computers via ir or 10bt or whatever [14:40:53] attila it can receive and transmit files or spoken messages you dictate [14:41:05] attila it works over any phone connection [14:41:10] attila even a crappy one in an airport [14:41:14] attila with no connectors [14:41:20] attila it uses strong crypto [14:41:38] attila that's why i wanted to borrow a voice modem [14:41:54] attila but it just hit me while i was lying in bed trying to fall asleep how it could all work [14:42:07] attila the thing is, there are crypto phones [14:42:10] attila but no sdks [14:42:13] attila or nothing you or i could get [14:42:21] attila because the gov't is paranoid about opening it up [14:42:29] attila bellatlantic SAYS digital pcs is secure [14:42:31] attila but fuck that [14:42:40] attila the only way you can have personal privacy is with string end-to-end crypto [14:42:52] attila and if you did the cryptovox thing everyone in the world could have it [14:43:06] attila s/string/strong/ [14:43:10] attila you see what i mean? [14:44:01] attila i imagine the crpytovox phoneme thing sounding like a bunch of la vo cha fi gu wa si ha mo type syllables spoken very quickly [14:44:13] attila it would take a bit of fucking around to figure out what the parameters are [14:44:24] attila don't tell anyone about this [14:45:02] attila you could prototype this on a laptop with a halfway decent sound card and a cell phone [14:45:41] attila i can imagine the demo [14:45:42] ok, but why not just have 2 modems and some crypto software ? [14:46:14] attila because you don't always have something you can plug your computer into [14:46:25] I guess you could leave voicemail to people with a secure message. [14:46:36] and answering machines. [14:46:37] attila well, the idea is if everyone's carrying around a cryptovox voice pad [14:46:48] attila they can just hold it up to whatever phone is handy [14:47:03] attila or eventually it could be integrated with a phone. but
Re: If this be terrorism make the most of it!
There was an article in the press a month or so ago about some town that was trying hard to restrict cybercafe hours, because of gang activity there - I'm not sure how much of it's just the same nonsense that tried to restrict video-game parlors, and how much of it's because the local bullies were playing quake and decided to gang up and frag the mayor's kid... Bill, You're referring to Garden Grove in Orange County (SoCal). This is a Vietnamese neighborhood, and meatspace gang violence intruded into the cybercafes --which are really networked-gaming parlours BTW-- and some kid got whacked outside. In the meatwhacking sense. The various reactive laws this violence generated are not CP-list-related per se, but are indicators of how more general-purpose cybercafes might be regulated. --- Tim: re Siliness, compounded: I wasn't agreeing that such laws (cams in 'cafes) exist now in the US, but rather that 'cafe anonymity *will be* readily blocked by laws requiring your drivers license (or library card) to use the machines. All of this in addition to the power to subpeona all the private videos in the neighborhood. To implement, all it requires is a smoking crater somewhere, and the claim that the Feebs are stymied at a 'cafe ingress point. --- Got Reichstag?
Re: Akamai
Akamai also attempts to solve the problem of getting information to people fast. They have a huge network of servers across the world, and for a price will manage your content so that the important stuff is already as far along the pipeline to the requesting user as possible. Most large corporations, lots of media content providers, and probably some government agency buy services from akamai because, from what I know, they have the best, if not only, network and software of its kind. The software actually monitors your content to see what is most frequently requested and from where and moves the data to the right place to make downloading a web page (or streaming movie) as quick and painless as possible. They stopped doing the ASP thing cause they make so much managing traffic. on 12/9/02 10:26 AM, Tyler Durden at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Akamai was one of the up-and-coming ASPs that went nearly busto during the dot-bomb era. An ASP is an Application Service Provider--for a while it was thought that certain expert applications would actually be adminstered and served remotely from a company that knew this stuff better than you. This would keep your company from having to staff 'experts' in each application. From: Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Akamai Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 08:52:21 -0600 Anyone know anything about Akamai (www.akamai.com, also akamaitechnologies.com)? I was getting about a zillion hits on my web server from them this morning. They seem to offer services to gov't agencies according to their website. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: Money is about expected future value....nothing more, nothing less
Marcel Popescu wrote: It does appear that the law in England is not as demanding as I believed: http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/banknotes/legaltender.htm The concept of legal tender is often misunderstood. Contrary to popular opinion, legal tender is not a means of payment that must be accepted by the parties to a transaction, but rather a legally defined means of payment that should not be refused by a creditor in satisfaction of a debt. Yep. If I owe you 100 quid, and I give you that value of English bank notes, and you sue me in an English court saying I haven't paid, you will lose. Which is fair enough - it is the state's court so why should they help you if you don't like the state's money? If I offer you 100 pounds worth of cowrie shells, then they might take a different view.
Re: Digital Bearer Settlements Wiki
On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 07:29 PM, R. A. Hettinga wrote: At 4:52 PM -0800 on 12/9/02, Steve Schear wrote: Haven't seen this discussed here. Meaning there is one, or you want to start one? SSShhh!, everyone! Don't tell Bob about Wikis and Blogs, else we'll be inundated with a dozen Wikis and Blogs like Insta-Clearing Wiki, Digifrancsblog, Philodex Wiki, Bearer Blog, and all the other cruft. --Tim May You don't expect governments to obey the law because of some higher moral development. You expect them to obey the law because they know that if they don't, those who aren't shot will be hanged. - -Michael Shirley
Re: Supreme Court Refuses to Intervene in Money Laundering Dispute.Also Moving on (fwd)
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Harmon Seaver wrote: These ap.tbo.com links don't work. I get ap.tbo.com can't be found. I mentioned this a few days ago. I can do a whois on tbo.com alright, but a lookup on ap.tbo.com says non-existant host/domain They work fine for me at every site (machines at three different domains) I tested. Which seems rather obvious since I'm finding them to forward them. Whatever the resolution problem is, it's on your end or some betwix the two. Sorry you're having the problem but there is nothing I can do about it. Perhaps you should talk to your nameserver operator(s). -- We don't see things as they are, [EMAIL PROTECTED] we see them as we are. www.ssz.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anais Nin www.open-forge.org
Re: Digital Bearer Settlements Wiki
At 4:52 PM -0800 on 12/9/02, Steve Schear wrote: Haven't seen this discussed here. Meaning there is one, or you want to start one? Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
