Re: Something conspicuously missing from the media survival lists

2003-02-12 Thread Jim Choate

On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, jet wrote:

 If you've read it recently,  I'll take your word for it.

That's a very(!!!) dangerous approach.

Odds are the person hasn't read it at all. Check the archive for a
reference to a pre-print in arXiv (ie xyz.lanl.gov) about pre-prints and
how 80% of them are bogus in reference to claims of having read
references/cites.


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Re: Something conspicuously missing from the media survival lists

2003-02-12 Thread Jim Choate

On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Sarad AV wrote:

 A tape as an evidence?Is a tape still considered as a
 valid piece of evidence in a court of law?

It's that oath thing, it's pretty much always required the person making
the tape to swear it hasn't been tampered with and that they are the party
who created it. Otherwise it would generaly fall into hearsay. Than of
course it also depends on the particular states view of 1-party or 2-party
permission issues.


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RE: The Wimps of War

2003-02-12 Thread Lucky Green
Steve wrote quoting:
PAUL KRUGMAN
 And though you don't hear much about it in the U.S. media, a 
 lack of faith 
 in Mr. Bush's staying power  a fear that he will wimp out in 
 the aftermath 
 of war, that he won't do what is needed to rebuild Iraq  is 
 a large factor 
 in the growing rift between Europe and the United States.

And this matters how? Why would Bush, or for that matter the Europeans,
care about rebuilding (what?) in Iraq? Other than the minimum
investments required to prevent the population from rising up against
their future leaders, why should the U.S. concern itself with making
investments in Iraq not directly related to creating and maintaining oil
extraction and transport facilities?

--Lucky




Re: Something conspicuously missing from the media survival lists

2003-02-12 Thread jet
At 2:40 + 2003/02/12, lcs Mixmaster Remailer wrote:
This one just won't die. People keep repeating it. Not much
different from Bush's Time is running out or They hate us
because we love freedom. Would you like to show us the part of
the twelve page German law of March, 1938 that limits gun
permits to members of the Nazi party? Uh huh, I didn't think so.

It's been several years since I read the translated copy I purchased from JPFO, so 
it's possible that I am mistaken.   If you've read it recently, I'll take your word 
for it.

-- 
J. Eric Townsend -- jet spies com
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Re: Something conspicuously missing from the media survival lists

2003-02-12 Thread Sarad AV
hi,

 I've not followed it closely, but Powell claims to
 have a tape of
 Bin Laden talking to Iraqi's.  Al Jazerra denys
 it's real.  This is
 all from NPR.  The game is afoot, let's see who can
 deliver the bigger
 lie.

A tape as an evidence?Is a tape still considered as a
valid piece of evidence in a court of law?Is it  not
difficult to authenticate and even if
authenticated-with what probability can we say that it
is genuine?

Regards Sarath.


 
 Patience, persistence, truth,
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Re: Forced Oaths to Pieces of Cloth

2003-02-12 Thread david

On Tuesday 11 February 2003 09:52, Dr. mike wrote:

 No reason we can't start a movement to plege alegiance to the
 constitution

The main body of the constitution does not apply to the 
individuals, it is the law the politicians and bureaucrats of the 
federal government are supposed to obey (and instead completely 
ignore).  The fourteenth amendment prohibits the state governments 
from violately individual rights.  What is needed is the death 
penalty or life imprisonment for politicians and bureaucrats who 
violate their oaths to uphold the constitution.

The proper recipient of a pledge of allegiance is individual 
liberty.  As Ben Franklin said, Where liberty dwells, there is my 
country.

David Neilson


This will be the best security for maintaining our liberties.  A 
nation of well-informed men who have been taught to know and prize 
the rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved.  It is in 
the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins.   (also by Ben)




Re: Forced Oaths to Pieces of Cloth

2003-02-12 Thread Mike Rosing
On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, david wrote:

 The main body of the constitution does not apply to the
 individuals, it is the law the politicians and bureaucrats of the
 federal government are supposed to obey (and instead completely
 ignore).  The fourteenth amendment prohibits the state governments
 from violately individual rights.  What is needed is the death
 penalty or life imprisonment for politicians and bureaucrats who
 violate their oaths to uphold the constitution.

 The proper recipient of a pledge of allegiance is individual
 liberty.  As Ben Franklin said, Where liberty dwells, there is my
 country.

I'm not arguing with this, but I think pledging is just symbolic
anyway.  We need to act free so that we are free.  It drives the control
freaks nuts, and that's more fun anyway :-)

Patience, persistence, truth,
Dr. mike





Stupid security measures, a contest

2003-02-12 Thread Adam Shostack
Human rights watchdog Privacy International has launched a quest to
find the World's Most Stupid Security Measure. 


http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/29279.html


-- 
It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once.
   -Hume




Re: My favorite line from the DOJ's latest draft bill

2003-02-12 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 11:32:24PM +, Steve Mynott wrote:
 (much snipped)

 
 It's just the same as some people claiming particular alcoholic drinks 
 are better or worse than others.
 
   That's hardly a good analogy. 

 The key thing about these drugs is the effects are intensively 
 subjective and highly unpredictable.  The dosage level is more likely 
 to be related to adverse effects than the particular psychedelic drug 
 used.
 
 In double blind tests, where neither the doctor nor the subject knows 
 which drug is which, people can't distinguish major psychedelic drugs 
 anyway.  The only clear distinction is the duration of drug effect 
 which does vary.
 
 This is usually denied by users of these drugs despite numerous studies 
 supporting this since the late 1960s.
 
I can't imagine how they could ever do any sort of serious test, let alone a
double blind test -- the length of experience would be a dead giveaway.
Besides which anyone with any real experience would easily recognize the
essential flavor, if you will, of the particular psychedelic, and the quite
different and distictive voice of the Other. Or lack, thereof, for instance in
LSD. They are simply far too different -- on LSD, people are up, eyes open,
grooving on sights and sounds, talking to people, but on strong doses of
psilocybin and ayahuasca you'll most likely be snuggled under a warm quilt with
your eyes shut in a dark room. And preferably alone. Totally different
experiences -- the voice of the Other with psilocybin and ayahuasca are very,
very different from each other as well.
One might have some difficulty discerning a strong hit of Salvia vs. DMT,
but you certainly wouldn't confuse them with anything else, just because of
intensity and brevity. But even with those two, most experienced travelers would
say the entities one encounters in that other dimension are quite different,
indeed, that those dimensions themeselves are not the same.

(snip)

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RE: The Wimps of War

2003-02-12 Thread Tyler Durden
why should the U.S. concern itself with making
investments in Iraq not directly related to creating and maintaining oil
extraction and transport facilities?

This is a continuation of the mythology that extrapolates post-WWII US 
presence in Germany and Japan (you know, those Americans really help the 
countries they beat in war) to the present day. Actually, it occurs to me 
that the only people who still believe this may be Americans.







From: Lucky Green [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: The Wimps of War
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 01:21:18 -0800

Steve wrote quoting:
PAUL KRUGMAN
 And though you don't hear much about it in the U.S. media, a
 lack of faith
 in Mr. Bush's staying power  a fear that he will wimp out in
 the aftermath
 of war, that he won't do what is needed to rebuild Iraq  is
 a large factor
 in the growing rift between Europe and the United States.

And this matters how? Why would Bush, or for that matter the Europeans,
care about rebuilding (what?) in Iraq? Other than the minimum
investments required to prevent the population from rising up against
their future leaders, why should the U.S. concern itself with making
investments in Iraq not directly related to creating and maintaining oil
extraction and transport facilities?

--Lucky



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Re: My favorite line from the DOJ's latest draft bill

2003-02-12 Thread Tyler Durden








By the time that people were mixing speed with it, actual dosages were
much less (adding amphetamines to 250mic LSD is fairly pointless) and 
today most, from what I hear, are around 75-100 mic.

In the early 80s I remembering getting some of the famous Goofy blotter, 
rated around 125 ugm. Microdots were around 35ugm.


   Hardly. Well, wandering around anywhere is not a good idea -- set and 
setting
are extremely important.

Well, wandering around in Soho NYC back when all the avante-garde galleries 
were there was quite a trip...some of these galleries were desgined already 
to be immersive, so that plus LSD really allowed one to leave one's normal 
psychological space and step into an alien one. This isn't exactly an 
obvious step on the path towards ego-destruction, but it does open one's 
mind up to ideas and modes of being that one's normal nature would have 
never truly encountered.



   Yup - increase their dose. Best thing that could happen to the world 
would be
the development of a benign airforce that sprayed a fog of lsd/dmso on 
areas
like Palestine. Real LSD, that is. Or better yet, psilocybin.  8-)


Well, I'm not so sure. Surely you must be aware of the stories of Villages 
in Spain and wherever receiving a bad batch of ergot-infected bread, and 
then going collectively wacky, with suicides and whatnot. Some people really 
aren't in a place where they can handle losing control and seeing through 
all of their most cherished beliefs like wet tissue paper. Palestinians 
locked in a daily struggle with life and death might not take too well to 
being raptured all of a sudden. (BTW, ever read The Transmigration of 
Timothy Archer by PK Dick?)

Obviously it wasn't LSD.


I'm finding out this is apparently true with many drugs. Most heroin 
overdoses (as I have been informed by someone who ran a detox ward) are 
actually reactions to crap mixed in with the Herion (or once in a great 
while a dealer giving a hated customer an unexpectedly pure dose). The 
toxicity of Herion isn't very high, particularly for someone who's been 
building up a tolerance for a few years. (Crack's a different 
storyreally bad for the heart.)

So the moral of this story is that illegalization of most drugs is what 
kills people!

Perhaps we have underestimated the wisdom of the CIA! (Or are they the ones 
who initially put crap in the drugs they smuggle?)

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Re: The Wimps of War

2003-02-12 Thread Tim May
On Wednesday, February 12, 2003, at 08:39  AM, Thomas Shaddack wrote:


And this matters how? Why would Bush, or for that matter the 
Europeans,
care about rebuilding (what?) in Iraq? Other than the minimum
investments required to prevent the population from rising up against
their future leaders, why should the U.S. concern itself with making
investments in Iraq not directly related to creating and maintaining 
oil
extraction and transport facilities?

Consumers. You have people there. The people want to eat, drink water, 
use
electricity, place phone calls. You build the infrastructure, they will
use it. You build and then own the infrastructure, they pay you and 
they
pay through the nose as there is no competition, at least in the
beginning. They will need money, they will work shit overtime jobs, and
they are closer than Malaysia is.

It's not the function of U.S. taxpayers (or any other taxpayers) to 
build another country's infrastructure.

Nation-building is the worst meme of the 20th century.

Even for oil it's not. That's the choice Exxon and BP and Shell make, 
not U.S. taxpayers.

--Tim May
Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone.
I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout  
--Unknown Usenet Poster



RE: The Wimps of War

2003-02-12 Thread Thomas Shaddack
 And this matters how? Why would Bush, or for that matter the Europeans,
 care about rebuilding (what?) in Iraq? Other than the minimum
 investments required to prevent the population from rising up against
 their future leaders, why should the U.S. concern itself with making
 investments in Iraq not directly related to creating and maintaining oil
 extraction and transport facilities?

Consumers. You have people there. The people want to eat, drink water, use
electricity, place phone calls. You build the infrastructure, they will
use it. You build and then own the infrastructure, they pay you and they
pay through the nose as there is no competition, at least in the
beginning. They will need money, they will work shit overtime jobs, and
they are closer than Malaysia is.




As war approaches, so do secret congressional sessions

2003-02-12 Thread Declan McCullagh
SENATE ARMED SERVICES COMMITTEE
National Security Threats
Full committee hearing on current and future worldwide threats to U.S.
national security. (The hearing will adjourn into a closed session
in SH-219.)
Witnesses: George Tenet, director, CIA; Vice Adm. Lowell
Jacoby, director, Defense Intelligence Agency
Location: 216 Hart Senate Office Building. 9:30 a.m.
Contact: 202-224-3871 http://www.senate.gov/~armed_services
**REVISED**




Re: Something conspicuously missing from the media survival lists

2003-02-12 Thread cubic-dog
On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Mike Rosing wrote:

 On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Tim May wrote:
 
  And so on. He talks the talk, but he and his buddies in HomeSec are
  establishing a national police force, states rights be damned.
 
 He's proof that you can fool just about everyone simultaneously -
 the NRA supports him inspite of his lack of  of commitment to
 the 2nd.

The NRA is openly hostile towards the embarrasing 2nd Amendment. 
The NRA is mostly all about allowing the weathly wingshooters to
be the last to fall. The rest of us, like the armed citizens, get
bartered off everytime gun control bill comes to a vote. 




Re: Something conspicuously missing from the media survival lists

2003-02-12 Thread cubic-dog
On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Bill Frantz wrote:

 At 10:44 AM -0800 2/11/03, Tim May wrote:
 But in postmodern America mentioning guns is simply NOT DONE. Not even
 on the Fox Network, a more rightward network than the others. (Being
 right no longer means mentioning guns, as Ashcroft and Cheney and the
 like would prefer that guns be in the hands of der polizei. There's a
 reason Hitler confiscated guns held privately by Germans.)
 
 I thought Ashcroft was on record as stating that the second amendment
 confered an individual right to own arms.  Are his actions are not in
 accord with his words?

His words are pretty much without meaning. All gun laws are
unconstitutional and should be repealed immediately, and
all those who have fallen victim to the legal system as a result
of the enforcement of these laws should be granted restitution.

It is possible that there could be a gun law that would be
constitutional, but no such laws currently exist. 




Degenerate Political Pressure (was RE: The Wimps of War)

2003-02-12 Thread R. A. Hettinga
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At 1:21 AM -0800 on 2/12/03, Lucky Green wrote:

 And this matters how? Why would Bush, or for that matter the
 Europeans, care about rebuilding (what?) in Iraq? Other than the
 minimum investments required to prevent the population from rising
 up against their future leaders, why should the U.S. concern itself
 with making investments in Iraq not directly related to creating
 and maintaining oil extraction and transport facilities?

Apropos of nothing, here's what I wrote yesterday about the entire
article, remembering that Charles Rangel claims to want the draft
back, straw man or not:

At 12:14 PM -0500 2/11/03, R. A. Hettinga wrote:
 Wherein we witness the spectacle of Paul Krugman fairly begging
 George Bush to colonize Iraq and Afghanistan.

 Amazing.

 Almost as amazing as liberal democrats begging for a return to
 the draft.

 Liberal logic continues to implode.

 'Round the bowl, and down the hole...


I wrote the above yesterday because I'm possessed lately by this
goofy notion that liberals, and social democrats, and
progressives, and all the other refried Marxists out there will
collapse like degenerate electrons against their political opposites
into some kind of statist neutronium someday, resulting in something
with the political prayerbook of the modern small-l (as in
lipservice) libertarian right, with aisles patrolled the usual
knock-you-on-your-head bluenose-and-busybody deacons of
authoritarianism.

Someday.

This was brought on by a Bartley editorial in the Wall Street Journal
a little while ago that observed that Bush  Co. are displaying all
the hallmarks of an emerging establishment, operating under the same
implicit rules, the same leaderless ability to turn setbacks into
opportunities, that the original liberal elite was able to do after
the cryptosocialists took over the Roosevelt agenda in the 1930's.


Probably just wishful thinking, internet millennialism, and all that,
but, if it does happen, the technology this list advocates be what,
paradoxically, brings that collapse about. Ubiquitous bandwidth,
cryptographic privacy and authentication and so on, pretty much kill
closed societies, especially those who calculate their prices instead
of discover them with markets.


In such a world, actual Big-L Libertarians, as the political
inheritors of that technological and economic whirlwind, will become
the only logical political opposition to that strange-matter amalgam
of refried Marxism and muscular Christianity, both of which, you
notice, *are* pretty much theocrats.


Like modern neocons had to do under the last 70 years of intellectual
occupation, Libertarians will have to considerably sharpen their
arguments and organization, and do so under a deluge of criticism
that will make the recent liberal pulsar sound like background
radiation.


That is, if we don't all just collapse past degenerate neutron
pressure into the event-horizon of crypto-anarcho-captialism, right?
:-).


Cheers,
RAH
Who -- until whatever degenerate political pressure takes hold -- is
still voting for the muscular Christians, thank you very much, and
who, as a consequence, thinks rather highly of the idea of paving the
entire fertile crescent, after pounding certain political features of
it to rubble, and replacing it all with a giant concatenation of
freeways, strip malls, franchise restaurants and nudie-bars from one
end of the Tigris/Euphrates valley to the other. Albuquerque. That's
it. Albuquerque on the Euphrates. I *love* Albuquerque. Heck, I even
like Walnut Creek (maybe even Concord, too :-)). Yeah. Pave the
cradle of civilization. Who *says* you can't go home again?

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Re: Something conspicuously missing from the media survival lists

2003-02-12 Thread jet
At 16:18 -0500 2003/02/12, cubic-dog wrote:

The NRA is openly hostile towards the embarrasing 2nd Amendment.
The NRA is mostly all about allowing the weathly wingshooters to
be the last to fall. The rest of us, like the armed citizens, get
bartered off everytime gun control bill comes to a vote.

Sadly, there doesn't seem to be any RKBA organization without some sort of right-wing, 
religious, or loonie ties.  The Gunowners of America (GOA) back right-wing Christian 
loonie causes -- the long-distance-for-RKBA company GOA promotes (Promise Vision) 
doesn't mention one word about RKBA on their web site 
(http://www.pvpromisevision.com).  Instead, they position themselves as the 
anti-pornography long-distance company.


-- 
J. Eric Townsend -- jet spies com
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CodeCon Registration Deadline Approaching

2003-02-12 Thread Len Sassaman
CodeCon is fast approaching, and there are only three days left to
register online for CodeCon at the reduced rate.

CodeCon 2.0 is the premier event in 2003 for the P2P, Cypherpunk, and
network/security application developer community. It is a workshop for
developers of real-world applications with working code and active
development projects.

Last year, presentations at CodeCon included the Peek-A-Booty
anti-censorship application, the Invisible IRC Project, the CryptoMail
web-based email encryption project, and the file-distribution application
BitTorrent.

Some of this year's highlights include Mixminion, a next-generation
anonymous remailer; Alluvium, Internet Radio software exempt from current
RIAA webcasting royalties; and GNU Radio, an open source software defined
radio application.

CodeCon registration is $95; a $15 discount is available for attendees who
register online prior to February 15th. CodeCon 2.0 will be held February
22-24, noon-6pm, at Club NV (525 Howard Street) in San Francisco.

For more information, please visit http://www.codecon.info.




RE: The Wimps of War

2003-02-12 Thread James A. Donald
--
Steve wrote quoting: PAUL KRUGMAN
  And though you don't hear much about it in the U.S. media,
  a lack of faith in Mr. Bush's staying power   a fear that
  he will wimp out in the aftermath of war, that he won't do
  what is needed to rebuild Iraq   is a large factor in the
  growing rift between Europe and the United States.

On 12 Feb 2003 at 1:21, Lucky Green wrote:
 And this matters how? Why would Bush, or for that matter the 
 Europeans, care about rebuilding (what?) in Iraq? Other than
 the minimum investments required to prevent the population
 from rising up against their future leaders, why should the
 U.S. concern itself with making investments in Iraq not
 directly related to creating and maintaining oil extraction
 and transport facilities?

The arabs hunger for development and modernity.  In the past
they absorbed the worst poisons spewed by western universities,
socialism and anti-imperialist nationalism, and attempted to
apply them, with predictably disastrous results,   Then they
healthily came to reject these foolish and dangerous ideas, and
attempted to return to their roots, with results that were bad
for us as well as them.

The theory of the democratic imperialists is to export better
ideas at gunpoint.  It is far from clear that this will work,
even if tried honestly and vigorously -- we are running into a
bit of trouble applying it in Kosovo.  It is also far from
clear that the US has the necessary will and virtue to apply it
in Iraq.

The Germans and the French are not very keen on doing it at
all, but realizing that position is unpopular, instead say they
doubt the US will to do it. 

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Re: New Scientist - Joao Magueijo - Hero or Heretic? (fwd)

2003-02-12 Thread André Esteves
On Thursday, 13 de February de 2003 02:02, you wrote:
 On Wednesday, February 12, 2003, at 05:04  PM, Andri Esteves wrote:
  Everything that could go wrong in academia and science is in Portugal.
 
  That is the background Magueijo comes from...

 I sat in a bookstore and read most of his book several weeks ago. A few
 comments:

 First, I kept looking for a clear description of the theory, with
 convincing details, support, etc. I didn't find it. I instead found a
 lot of stuff about peeing outside a bar in some tropical place, stories
 about his girlfriend, insults he delivered to editors at Nature, and
 on and on. Sort of a Fear and Loathing on the Road to Quantum
 Gravity. (Pun with Smolin's title intended.)

You still read science popularizers ?

If you like science you should go to the source. I can't read many tecnhical 
articles, but good sinopses and conclusions give you an idea of the article's 
inplications. Just have to build a field mind map of an area...

And after some time you get the ability to find if someone is bulshiting you 
on the popularizing front...

e-print is great...

  There is a NEED for destructive purification in today's science.

 Second, I don't know about Hawking's books, but Lee Smolin is one of
 the current popularizers who have done excellent jobs. I recommend both
 of his books. His own Three Roads to Quantum Gravity is crystal clear
 in describing several of the competing theories. Smolin also explains
 what's really important. (Check the archives for my past comments on
 Smolin and topos theory, for example, from last summer.)

Never heard of him... Books are very expensive in Portugal... 
As the publishing houses in portugal mainly publish religious or black-magic 
themes... I will probably read it in english...

 Hawking writes about fairly established stuff, the usual black hole
 stuff. This was mostly old hat 30 years ago (which is when I took Jim
 Hartle's class on general relativity). Hawking doesn't get much into
 the newer theories, at least not in any of the books of his I've
 skimmed.

 (One of my texts 30 years ago was the Hawking and Ellis book, The
 Large Scale Structure of Spacetime. This was heavy going, not the
 popular fluff he's been turning out lately.)

 Third, I have no idea if the VSL theory is right. Time will tell.

At least there is some experimental work on it. Wich tons of theorical work 
in physics don't even try to achieve and with blessing of the establishment...


 Fourth, but I will say that Magueijo undercuts his arguments with his
 scatological denunciations of the establishment. I'll be the first to
 say that I am not always polite, but if I were publishing papers and
 attempting to get math or crypto results accepted, I doubt this
 approach would work:

What can i say... Career or science. Are you part of the problem or of the 
solution??

Computers and mathematics are a bit diferent from physics, in that the 
materialization of your ideas can have a vast laboratory in other people's 
computers... You could try a diferent way of doing criptoscience if you built 
a diferent comunity.

But if you only want the recognition of certain individuals and certain 
establishments what can i say?!  Everybody wants 3 meals a day...
It will not be me to judge that badly...

One of my problems is that there could be people doing real research on their 
part-time and the paid-ones don't even let them be heard...

 The crypto community is filled with dumbshit charlatans. I piss on
 them. I piss on Rivest. I was taking a leak outside a bar in Maracaibo
 and it hit me: cyphers are just like big turds.

 Maybe he doesn't fully understand English and has some idea that
 interspersing vulgarities with scientific points is the cool thing to
 do.

Maybe he should point out things like you did it right now...
Well.. fed up portuguese are not really englishmen...
But he at least gave some emotion to it? Didn't he?! :)

 However, I'll bet he ends up at a U.S. university, particularly if the
 VSL theory gains any kind of acceptance. He spoke of one of his
 colleagues who landed at UC Davis recently.

Yes, he will. Americans love collecting things. I remember Einstein 
commenting why he had to receive in his office, every VIP in the IAS in 
Princeton: You see, I have been bought by Mr Flesher for the IAS and he has 
to have some return for the investment...

Yours faithfully,

André Esteves




Re: New Scientist - Joao Magueijo - Hero or Heretic? (fwd)

2003-02-12 Thread Tim May
On Wednesday, February 12, 2003, at 05:04  PM, Andri Esteves wrote:

Everything that could go wrong in academia and science is in Portugal.

That is the background Magueijo comes from...

But, it is not only in Portugal... Everywhere science has declined, as 
it
becomes part of the political logic of governments, ideologies and 
power
groups...

I sat in a bookstore and read most of his book several weeks ago. A few 
comments:

First, I kept looking for a clear description of the theory, with 
convincing details, support, etc. I didn't find it. I instead found a 
lot of stuff about peeing outside a bar in some tropical place, stories 
about his girlfriend, insults he delivered to editors at Nature, and 
on and on. Sort of a Fear and Loathing on the Road to Quantum 
Gravity. (Pun with Smolin's title intended.)


There is a NEED for destructive purification in today's science.

Popularization of science should not be taken as the stupid adoration 
of
uncompreensible speeches from the so called great popularisers of 
science.

Does the common man read his Hawking's book? Did Hawking even write it?

Second, I don't know about Hawking's books, but Lee Smolin is one of 
the current popularizers who have done excellent jobs. I recommend both 
of his books. His own Three Roads to Quantum Gravity is crystal clear 
in describing several of the competing theories. Smolin also explains 
what's really important. (Check the archives for my past comments on 
Smolin and topos theory, for example, from last summer.)

Hawking writes about fairly established stuff, the usual black hole 
stuff. This was mostly old hat 30 years ago (which is when I took Jim 
Hartle's class on general relativity). Hawking doesn't get much into 
the newer theories, at least not in any of the books of his I've 
skimmed.

(One of my texts 30 years ago was the Hawking and Ellis book, The 
Large Scale Structure of Spacetime. This was heavy going, not the 
popular fluff he's been turning out lately.)

Third, I have no idea if the VSL theory is right. Time will tell.

Fourth, but I will say that Magueijo undercuts his arguments with his 
scatological denunciations of the establishment. I'll be the first to 
say that I am not always polite, but if I were publishing papers and 
attempting to get math or crypto results accepted, I doubt this 
approach would work:

The crypto community is filled with dumbshit charlatans. I piss on 
them. I piss on Rivest. I was taking a leak outside a bar in Maracaibo 
and it hit me: cyphers are just like big turds.

Maybe he doesn't fully understand English and has some idea that 
interspersing vulgarities with scientific points is the cool thing to 
do.

However, I'll bet he ends up at a U.S. university, particularly if the 
VSL theory gains any kind of acceptance. He spoke of one of his 
colleagues who landed at UC Davis recently.

--Tim May