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From: Tim May ([EMAIL PROTECTED] )
Subject: Re: Hard assets in case we hit have a major economic depression? 

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Date: 2003-02-22 19:09:31 PST 
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Vance Rogers
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes we are. But of course, no one wants to be the 
messenger.
> 
> How many a major corporations have to file Chapter 13? How
> big does the Deficit have to get? The National Debt beyond
> its statuatory limit (it his that limit in February), the unemployment
> rate in certain parts of the country, in certain industries is MUCH
> higher than being reported, because when someone's enemployment
> runs out, they are no longer counted as part of the unemployment
> statistics, and after a year of not working, are considered "drop
> outs" from the market.
> 
> The problems are larger than they were in the 30's, it just hasn't
> been reported honestly to the American people. But reporting on this is considered 
> "economic treason" under the
Homeland Security Act, PATRIOT Act, Protection of the Reich Act, etc.

Also, it's in our best interest to let this train wreck keep
developing. 

When the collapse comes, the burnoff of 40 million useless eaters will
be glorious to behold! 

Fuck the inner city welfare mutant thieves. Put their heads on pikes,
just as in: http://images.ogrish.com/2003/2212003/decap3.jpg Fuck them dead. And gas 
their litters of little brown welfare eaters.


--Tim May 

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Man decapitated while fleeing police

[R. A. Hettinga]

http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/metro/atlanta/0203/16suspect.html

[ The Atlanta Journal-Constitution:  2/16/03] 

Man decapitated while fleeing police 

By LINDSAY JONES 
Atlanta Journal-Constitution Staff Writer 

*Atlanta/South Metro community page 

A narcotics traffic stop on the Downtown Connector turned deadly Saturday afternoon 
when a man climbed over the interstate railing, fell about 35 feet and was decapitated 
on a wrought-iron fence, Atlanta police said. 

Officers in a marked car stopped the man about 4:30 p.m., as he drove south on the 
interstate above Auburn Avenue. The man, who has not been identified, stopped his 
vehicle and tried to flee by climbing over the railing, Lt. Danny Agan said. 

Police still are investigating whether the man jumped or fell off the raised 
interstate. 

"This is a new one for me in 29 years," Agan said. 

The decapitation shocked people who work in the neighborhood. Gary White, an income 
tax preparer, came out of his office when he heard the commotion. "It's surreal," 
White said. 

Agan said narcotics officers had been trailing the man for much of the day. 

Agan did not know if the officers who tried to arrest the man would be placed on 
administrative leave.  "This is not something normally covered under the [standard 
operating procedure] of the department," he said. 




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Re: Ethnomathematics

[R. A. Hettinga]

At 5:41 PM -0800 on 2/24/03, Tim May wrote:


> Here's an image the censors are already trying to get removed:
> 
> 

Yuck.

I can't wait to see where Tim got this one from.

I expect he's trolling the universe with it, though...

Cheers,
RAH
Who remembers a biker-dismemberment series here, from some court case or another. It's 
where they usually come from...
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factual correction for: Homeland Security Act Affects Amateur & High Power Rocketry

[Eric S. Johansson]

The Extreme Rocketry Article NAR Did Not Want You To Read & Censored !!

Submitted for publication on Dec. 8, 2002 to Extreme Rocketry magazine at 
their request.   Censored from publication on Dec. 12, 2002 by Mark B. 
Bundick, President of NAR.
I posted this information to my rocket club mailing list and these two
interesting bits of information popped up
Fehskens, Len wrote:
Once more with feeling:  the NAR did not "censor" this article.  NAR counsel
advised the NAR President that they thought publication of the article was
inadvisable in the current litigation climate.  The NAR President
communicated this opinion to the publisher of Extreme Rocketry.  The
publisher agreed.
Tha NAR has no authority whatsoever over the publisher of Extreme Rocketry.

len.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Eric, Jack and the rest of you.

As a follow-up to Jack's comments, I think that it is important to realize
that 3 separate issues are being addressed as if they were all the same.
They are not.
1.) The modification, and/or revocation of existing laws and regulations
interfering with HPR by the judicial system intervention.  This is a reactive
approach and is what the NAR lawsuit is all about.
This course of action takes a lot of time and a lot of money.  I have
personal experience here.  I spent 18K$ to overturn a zoning appeals board
decision that granted to a neighbor a variance to build a new commercial
building in a residentially zone neighborhood.  This is explicitly unallowed
by the town zoning by-laws.  I was countersued by the neighbor on frivolous
grounds (his lawyer could have been disbarred for bringing this case to
court) which was also ruled in my favor.  The whole thing took more than 2
years to reach a conclusion.  Our lawsuit may be definitive, but objectively
it will take a long time to conclude in spite of what anyone says.
2.)  Lobbying the legislature to get a new law enacted.  This is a proactive
approach and is what John Wickman is doing.
The success of lobbying depends greatly on who you know.  If you don't know
anyone it can be very expensive and ineffective since only numbers count to
elected officials.  Let's get real and face the facts:  There are only
several thousand adults involved in HPR out of the more than 100,000,000
potential voters.  At most we're a pimple on the butt of the legislature.
Collectively we have no political clout.  If John has the connections, he
should go for it.
I don't see any conflict between NAR's lawsuit and John's lobbying.  They may
accomplish the same end effect but their efforts are totally different.  I
also don't see what Bunny's concerns were over John submission to Extreme
Rocketry.  It is a factual representation of what will happen under the new
HSA regulations.  Anyone following the new regulations already knew
everything he stated.  I think everyone over reacted.  IMHO Bunny should not
have said anything and the editor should not have asked.  Don't ask, don't
tell.  Anyway it's over and done with, lay it to rest.
3.   UPS and FEDEX's apparent refusal of rocket motor shipments.  As private
companies, they can pick and choose what they transport.  Period.  End of
story.
Shipping rocket motors of any kind and/or size has to be done by ground only,
and always required a HAZMAT fee if you use private shippers.  The USPS has
always been cheaper and faster.  The private carrier loss is not a big deal
for the model rocket crowd, but it makes it harder for the HPR folks.  You
still can use common carriers for HP shipping but you will have to have a
LEUP for interstate HP motor commerce.  For those without a LEUP HPR is less
certain.  Instate I believe you will need the new Federal permit to buy and
transport high power but I'm not clear on this aspect of the new regulations.
There's always hybrids.
In the proposed new ATF regulations there is a specific exemption for model
rocket motors as currently defined, specifically motors with not more than
62.5 grams of any propellant type including APCP, BP etc.  Nothing has
changed here, and there are no restrictions on the sale and transport of
MODEL ROCKET MOTORS.  There is no exemption for reloadable motors with more
than 62.5 grams of propellant in the new ATF regulations, but I'm not sure
there ever was a formal written exemption for "easy access" reloadable
motors.  So right now L1 and L2 HP folks appear screwed if they don't have a
LEAP.  This is really the problem that NIR and John should be addressing.
My two cents.

Bob Krech
So in summary, the NAR is doing all it can to keep model rocketry safe and 
available here in the states.  They have serious education programs for 
teachers.  They have self training programs for hobbyists.  They are taking 
legal action against the BATF.  You can't ask much more of an organization. 
Check out www.nar.org for more information.

--- eric

Re: factual correction for: Homeland Security Act Affects Amateur & High Power Rocketry

[Tim May]

On Monday, February 24, 2003, at 08:07  AM, Eric S. Johansson wrote:

The Extreme Rocketry Article NAR Did Not Want You To Read & Censored 
!!
Submitted for publication on Dec. 8, 2002 to Extreme Rocketry 
magazine at their request.   Censored from publication on Dec. 12, 
2002 by Mark B. Bundick, President of NAR.
I posted this information to my rocket club mailing list and these two
interesting bits of information popped up
Fehskens, Len wrote:
Once more with feeling:  the NAR did not "censor" this article.  NAR 
counsel
advised the NAR President that they thought publication of the 
article was
inadvisable in the current litigation climate.  The NAR President
communicated this opinion to the publisher of Extreme Rocketry.  The
publisher agreed.
Tha NAR has no authority whatsoever over the publisher of Extreme 
Rocketry.
len.

"Censor" has a range of meanings, and what the publishers and editors 
did in this case qualifies as a form of censorship. (Check nearly any 
dictionary for this range of meanings.)

There is the "only government can censor" meaning of "censor": official 
censors who decide what may and what may not be published.

There is, at the other end of the spectrum, the self-censorship any of 
us may sometimes exhibit.

In between, there is the "censorship" of a corporation not allowing an 
employee to publish something, or even to speak publicly.

And a magazine deciding not to publish something because it might "aid 
the Evil Ones" or "offend the Pentagon," etc., is certainly doing a 
form of censorship. Especially when they mention "litigation climate" 
in the context of Homeland Security.

It would be like "The Progressive" opting not to publish the H-bomb 
plans because of the "current litigation climate." Or "The Baghdad 
Daily" opting not to publish an expose of President Hussein because of 
"the current litigation climate."

It is correct in all of these cases to say a speaker or writer was 
censored.

(Note that I am not at all disputing the right of a corporation or 
publisher or owner of a printing press to decide what to publish. Just 
using a perfectly descriptive word.)

--Tim May

RE: The next time you see someone on TV in a "newsroom"

[Trei, Peter]

> Tyler Durden[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
> Waitisn't this a Philip K Dick book? The president's actually a 
> simulacra made to convince workers to stay below ground because of the 
> terrible war. But the truth is there is no war, and the underground folks 
> are really just slave labor cranking out goods for the elite few up on the
> 
> surface, thinking they are serving the war effort.
> 
> -TD
> 
'The Penultimate Truth'
http://www.bibliora.com/P5_1102/html/penultimate.html

Peter

A Drug War Carol

[Steve Schear]

Great piece exposing the fallacy of the "War on Some Drugs"

http://www.adrugwarcarol.com/

"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace
alarmed -- and thus clamorous to be led to safety -- by menacing
it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
-- H.L. Mencken

Re: Ethnomathematics

[Bill Stewart]

At 05:41 PM 02/24/2003 -0800, Tim May wrote:
Seriously, this flap is old news. I remember about a dozen years ago
when some feminista professor was teaching "female-oriented physics."
Actually, she was _advocating_ the teaching of female-oriented physics.
Was she an actual physics professor, talking about her own field,
or some sort of literature/philosophy/sociology/politics professor?
The latter type are definitely old news, but as long as they spend their time
trying to convince female physics and mathematics professors to
think about new ways to structure or teach their curriculum, that's fine.
It's when they start dissing physics and math as "hostile to women"
and thereby discouraging young women from going into the field
that they really cause problems (as opposed to old boring sexist white male 
professors
discouraging women from going into the field, which was the old problem.)

Actually doing a female-oriented physics or teaching curriculum is fine,
if somebody can do a good job of it.  After all, most of these fields
consist of real mathematics, exposure to real materials and their behaviour,
sets of metaphors for understanding how the math and behaviour are related,
and various levels of abstraction and concrete examples to interest students.
The math is the math, and the materials either will or won't cooperate,
but if feminist approaches can provide a set of metaphors or abstractions
that help students (or at least female-culture-oriented students)
understand how the math relates to the real world, then great!
And if they can find a set of examples or problems that are less 
male-oriented than
guns, rocketships, pushing pool cues into objects of various hardness and 
softness, or football
and if this helps female students be more interested in the problems,
or gives them examples that are more familiar to them, then great!
There's certainly no shortage of boring textbooks out there,
and if women who understand math and physics and communications can overcome
Sturgeon's Law and the textbook publishers' mafia or teacher selection 
committees,
then more power to them, and otherwise, well, the other 90% will be more 
gender-balanced.

RE: Ethnomathematics

[Trei, Peter]

> --
> From: Bill Stewart[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 2:52 AM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: Ethnomathematics 
> 
> At 05:41 PM 02/24/2003 -0800, Tim May wrote:
> >Seriously, this flap is old news. I remember about a dozen years ago
> >when some feminista professor was teaching "female-oriented physics."
> >Actually, she was _advocating_ the teaching of female-oriented physics.
> 
> Was she an actual physics professor, talking about her own field,
> or some sort of literature/philosophy/sociology/politics professor?
> The latter type are definitely old news, but as long as they spend their
> time
> trying to convince female physics and mathematics professors to
> think about new ways to structure or teach their curriculum, that's fine.
> 
> It's when they start dissing physics and math as "hostile to women"
> and thereby discouraging young women from going into the field
> that they really cause problems (as opposed to old boring sexist white
> male 
> professors
> discouraging women from going into the field, which was the old problem.)
> 
> Actually doing a female-oriented physics or teaching curriculum is fine,
> if somebody can do a good job of it.  After all, most of these fields
> consist of real mathematics, exposure to real materials and their
> behaviour,
> sets of metaphors for understanding how the math and behaviour are
> related,
> and various levels of abstraction and concrete examples to interest
> students.
> 
> The math is the math, and the materials either will or won't cooperate,
> but if feminist approaches can provide a set of metaphors or abstractions
> that help students (or at least female-culture-oriented students)
> understand how the math relates to the real world, then great!
> And if they can find a set of examples or problems that are less 
> male-oriented than
> guns, rocketships, pushing pool cues into objects of various hardness and 
> softness, or football
> and if this helps female students be more interested in the problems,
> or gives them examples that are more familiar to them, then great!
> There's certainly no shortage of boring textbooks out there,
> and if women who understand math and physics and communications can
> overcome
> Sturgeon's Law and the textbook publishers' mafia or teacher selection 
> committees,
> then more power to them, and otherwise, well, the other 90% will be more 
> gender-balanced.
> 
I don't know if this is what Tim was refering to, but it's of interest:
http://www.physics.iastate.edu/per/docs/ref5.pdf

Shows how changing the examples used in physics exams 
changes the responses of male and female students.

Peter

Re: CDR: Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and "minorities"

[Alif The Terrible]

On 24 Feb 2003, Tom Veil wrote:

> > You're sounding more and more like a LEO troll.
> 
> If I was a LEO, would I have called for the killing of gun-grabbing LEOs
> in a recent Usenet post?

Oh, the irony...

-- 
Yours, 
J.A. Terranson
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Weizmann Institute Sets "Guinness Record"

[Eric Cordian]

The Weizmann Institute has done it again.  Written yet another press
release, that is.

I wasn't even aware Guinness had a record for the smallest biological
computing device.  Have the Guinness people even heard of the Weizmann
people?  One wonders.

In any case, they claim that two spoonfuls of their latest goo is a 600
TeraOP DNA computer.  I'll be more impressed when they port Linux.

Har.

http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030224-045551-7398r

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REHOVAT, Israel, Feb. 24 (UPI) -- The latest entry in the Guinness Book of
World Records for smallest biological computing device is a microscopic
gadget composed of DNA and enzymes that not only reads DNA for data but
uses it as fuel.

Israeli scientists reported Monday that just two spoonfuls could hold up
to 30 million billion of such molecular computers, which could perform
about 660 trillion operations per second -- nearly 20 times as many as
Japan's Earth Simulator, the most powerful supercomputer now active.

"The long-term goal is to eventually create autonomous, programmable
molecular computing devices that can operate in vivo, eventually inside
the human body, and function as 'doctors in a cell,'" researcher Ehud
Shapiro, a computer scientist at the Weizmann Institute of Science, told
United Press International.

By detecting biochemical anomalies, the micro-computers could consult
"their programmed medical knowledge to direct the synthesis and delivery
of biomolecules that serve as drugs," Shapiro explained.

DNA stores both information -- in the form of the genetic code in humans
-- and energy. "Nature uses DNA for information storage, but does not
exploit it as an energy supply," Shapiro said.

The new device is an advance on a computer made of DNA previously
announced by Shapiro and colleagues about a year ago. The device's input,
output and "software" are composed of DNA molecules, while the hardware is
made of naturally occurring enzymes that can manipulate DNA. When mixed
together in a solution, the hardware and software work together, with the
enzyme regulating the input according to rules encoded on the software
molecule.

All computers need energy, and the research team's previous DNA computer
used a molecule called adenosine triphosphate, or ATP, the biochemical
whose high-energy phosphate bonds are used by all cells as their standard
fuel. In findings appearing online Feb. 24 in the Proceedings of the
National Academy of Sciences, the scientists said the enzymes regulating
the input molecules can use the energy released to drive calculations.

"Our experiments demonstrate for the first time that we may use a DNA
molecule as an input for computation, and at the same time fuel this
computation by the energy stored in the very same molecule," Shapiro said.
"Such combination, although theoretically conceivable, is practically
impossible with conventional electronic computers."

The computer requires very little energy, the scientists said. For
example, even the hypothetical spoonful releases less than 25 millionths
of a watt as heat. Moreover, the new computer is 50 times faster than
before.

"I would say this is a proof of concept," said IBM researcher Charles
Bennett in Yorktown Heights, N.Y. "I think there's a long way to go from
doing a particular computation like they propose here to making a general
purpose molecular computer that's fast enough and reliable enough and
energetically cheap enough to be useful."

Shapiro admitted that the work remains at a very basic stage, but added
the researchers hope to create even more powerful devices and perhaps
create DNA computers that can work in living cells.

"The main hurdle, which will take a decade or so to overcome, is science's
inability to synthesize 'designer enzymes,'" Shapiro said. "Science does
not know how to create enzymes that meet our needs."

-- 
Eric Michael Cordian 0+
O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division
"Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

Re: Why Spammers Should Be SLOWLY Tortured to Death

[Michael Gurski]

On Mon, Feb 24, 2003 at 09:09:54PM -0800, Eric Cordian wrote:
> It seems some spammer has decided to use my email address as his return
> address, and I am now getting his bounce messages.
...
> Am I uniquely blessed with this problem, or is this some new way for
> spammers to ensure they are hated even more than serial child molesters
> and terrorists.
> 
> I think this really crosses the line into blatant illegality, and is a
> racheting up of spammer scumminess way beyond simply trying to evade
> filters with P'E'N'I'S and gratuitous HTML in the middle of suspicious
> words.

I'll see you your email address and raise you a non-published one.
I'd like to thank Earthlink for leaving SMTP VRFY on for so long after
I signed up with them just to have a way to dial-in while on the road
constantly (read: never, ever used the address anywhere except
internally to Earthlin).  I also get tons of spam to it.  A few days
ago, I got a bounce to it, from Yahoo, about a bunch of disabled
addresses I supposedly sent mail to...

Relevant link to someone else who's been more vocal about this:
"My Short Life As An Unintentional Porn Spammer" by Mike Masnick


(though I originally saw it on slashdot, but then, people who give a
damn about slashdot have already seen the /. url, while everyone else
is likely sick to death of message after message being sent here with
just a /. link and a title, if they haven't killfiled the most
prolific sender already)

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RE: Weizmann Institute Sets "Guinness Record"

[Trei, Peter]

> Eric Cordian[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> The Weizmann Institute has done it again.  Written yet another press
> release, that is.
> 
> I wasn't even aware Guinness had a record for the smallest biological
> computing device.  Have the Guinness people even heard of the Weizmann
> people?  One wonders.
> 
30-40 years ago the Guiness book was actually useful - it listed 'records'
that people might actually think were worth looking up.

It's now mostly a listing of 'can you believe this' blurbs which appear in 
one years issue, and are never again listed. Things like 'Most tasteless
joke'.

These days, it's close kin to Ripley's 'Believe it or Not'.

Peter Trei