Re: Idea: Sidestepping low-power broadcast regulations with infrared
On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 03:13:46PM +0100, Thomas Shaddack wrote: Using a powerful high-frequency modulated infrared source (eg, a bank of LEDs) located on a highly visible place, it couldbe possible to facilitate local community broadcasts, effectively sidestepping all FCC regulations. Hi, I don't know if this may be of interest to you, since it's related more to electromagnetic emanation monitoring, but anyway... in September 1999, I've used the modulation of keyborard's VLED as a means to broadcast data from a personal computer to the outside world. I've builded a very simple protocol by encoding data (in the basic version) through different LED's states. The bitrate was very low and obviously related to the specific chosen encoding. Infact, I've tried several encodings (e.g., some inspired to BAUDOT). However, the monitoring of the electromagnetic emanation was based on the relative radio frequencies and not on the visible spectrum. The monitoring equipment was very simple. A common radio receiver with audio cassette recorder. It was possible to tap the data by tuning the radio receiver, expecially on the following frequencies: LW 209 Khz, LW 201 Khz, MW 892 Khz. (the receiver was very simple and the maximum distance from the emission source was ten metres). The decoding of the recorder signlas was straighforward using FFT. ciao, alfonso
Re: Brinwear at Benetton.
I can imagine some ways to deal with this. Have certain blocks of RFID address space assigned to specific companies, who publish what products they'll be used for. The same strategy AFAIK works for UPC/EAN barcodes, for assigning IMEI numbers to cellphones, for book ISBNs. For an example description of the IMEI format check here: http://www.cellular.co.za/ieminumbers.htm (they refer to it as IEMI, don't ask me why). They won't specify what *individuals* will get what tags, just that it's a $2,500 Prada handbag -- which still raises the crime concern. Why would anyone *want* to invest $2k5 to a lousy handbag? There are LOTS of more useful things in that cost range. Or you could use a multi-tier system like our current DNS setup. The root RFID address-space servers will point queries to rfid.example.com... Could work neatly. It works for DNS, it works for eg. antispam blackholes, it works for many other purposes, it's reasonably fast. Could be implemented on existing DNS software in a single weekend.
Journalists, Diplomats, Others Urged to Evacuate City
Journalists, diplomats, inspectors, and civil servants are being urged to evacuate the capital. A timetable of 48 hours has been given. The Evil Doers will be rooted out and the Evil Ones punished, said one spokesman. However, as of midnight, Eastern Standard Time, there is no evidence that Washington residents are taking these warnings seriously. Needless to say, this is not a threat. I am 3000 miles away, relatively safe on my hilltop. Being the survivalist that I have been for much of the past 30 years, I have a pantry closet filled with canned goods, rice, cereal. And I have a generator, which I expect not to use much. And solar battery rechargers (sufficient to recharge AAs and Ds for my various small radios, even recharge my laptop...this in case my 24-packs of AAs and Ds run out, or my several lead cell battery packs, etc.). And I have my perimeter alarms, my solar-powered intrusion alarms, my rifles, my handguns, my shotguns, my other weapons, my water filters, my colleagues. I don't expect to need this stuff, but I am, as always, happy to be able to just stay at home on my hill and watch the chaos unfold. About the threat to Washington: I think it's relatively high. A nerve gas attack on buildings or the Metro seems likely. (The Japanese AUM cult had Sarin, but was inept. A more capable, military-trained operative has had many months to get into D.C. and wait for the obvious time to attack. And he need not even be a suicide bomber. A cannister of VX with a reliable timer is child's play. If I were Declan, I'd get out of Dodge. --Tim May
Re: Where are the heros?
As long as hardware is not acting fully autonomously it is usually sufficient to address the soft targets, especially unprotected noncombatants at home. Self-replicating weapons are best, which for now means engineered pathogens. Things are bound to become pretty dynamic once we'll get free-environment capable artificial molecular self-replicators fielded against people and supporting ecologies. It is difficult to see humanity confined to this planet surviving it, given our neolithical firmware. Anyone aware of a nonnegligible military RD in offensive/defensive ecovorous nano? On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, Bill Stewart wrote: It's called a radio Needs some auxiliary equipment :-) but loose lips sink ships. Mines are pretty cheap, too, if you can attach them, but it probably needs quite a few of them to sink that big a ship. I agree that a low-cost aircraft-carrier-killer would help; the Stinger missiles sure made a major difference to Russian military activities in Afghanistan.
Re: Where are the heros?
At 07:36 PM 03/17/2003 -0800, Eric Cordian wrote: What the world needs now is not another mass killing of Iraqis by the United States government. What the world really needs now is a fifty dollar weapon that sinks aircraft carriers. It's called a radio Needs some auxiliary equipment :-) but loose lips sink ships. Mines are pretty cheap, too, if you can attach them, but it probably needs quite a few of them to sink that big a ship. I agree that a low-cost aircraft-carrier-killer would help; the Stinger missiles sure made a major difference to Russian military activities in Afghanistan.
RE: Brinwear at Benetton.
Mike Rosing[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, Michael Shields wrote: It adds up, especially in low-margin businesses. Groceries are a good example; unpacking every cart, scanning, and bagging is an expensive bottleneck. The process could be streamlined a lot if an entire cart were scanned at once. There are serious engineering problems before we get there; but the demand from retailers is very real, and so a very real effort will be made to solve them. I can see a couple of solutions to the checkout problem. One is to remove checkout counters, just scan the item at the shelf with a card. With rfid this actually becomes a lot simpler, you can isolate items to specific regions of the store. If the item is removed, it had better already be purchased or you get busted. I'd expect to see scanners at each entrance and exit, as well as at points where an object's status changes (stockroom vs sales floor, checkout, etc) All that has to be done is to scan the pallet of goods as it goes out to be shelved, adding the tags on the pallet to the 'unsold goods' list. Then, if a tag leaves the store without going through one of the approved routes (eg: Checkout - customer exit; expired goods - backdoor (expired goods can be recognized by the time the tag was added to the db)), raise the alarm. Heve you ever seen a store shut down for stocktaking? It won't happen any more. Shrinkage (ie, employee theft) becomes much more difficult. So does shoplifting. Checkout times are reduced to under a minute, even for full carts. A whole cart load of items responding simultaneously won't work, at least not with 5 cent rfid's of the next few years. In a decade maybe cdma rfid will be 5 cents. Mike, Go to the literature. They are already scanning 20 - 1000 of tags per second (most of the more realistic reports seem to be below 50 tps). So it takes 10 seconds to scan my cart? That's a hell of a lot better than 5 minutes or so by hand. References:: http://www.cfo.com/article/1,5309,8661,00.html?f=related (CFO magazine) Library applications (v scary) http://www.vernlib.com/VernStep6.asp For some actual rates: http://www.autoid.org/2002_Documents/WG4_SG3/Dec2002/SG3_200211_347_PtB_Demo .pdf Critical article on library applications http://www.vtls.com/Products/rfid/documents/choosing.pdf 200-800 tps: http://www.matricsrfid.com/pdf/Inlays_Data_Sheet.pdf Removing the bottleneck of checkout counters would be *very good thing* because most people hate standing in line. Of course, digital cash would be really nice to have for that too! ...now if we can only get rid of the delays caused by people who've clipped 50 coupons, and insist on paying by check Patience, persistence, truth, Dr. mike Peter
Re: Journalists, Diplomats, Others Urged to Evacuate City
Tim, it's time to switch to decaf. On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 20:59:31 -0800, you wrote: Journalists, diplomats, inspectors, and civil servants are being urged to evacuate the capital. A timetable of 48 hours has been given. The Evil Doers will be rooted out and the Evil Ones punished, said one spokesman. However, as of midnight, Eastern Standard Time, there is no evidence that Washington residents are taking these warnings seriously. Needless to say, this is not a threat. I am 3000 miles away, relatively safe on my hilltop. Being the survivalist that I have been for much of the past 30 years, I have a pantry closet filled with canned goods, rice, cereal. And I have a generator, which I expect not to use much. And solar battery rechargers (sufficient to recharge AAs and Ds for my various small radios, even recharge my laptop...this in case my 24-packs of AAs and Ds run out, or my several lead cell battery packs, etc.). And I have my perimeter alarms, my solar-powered intrusion alarms, my rifles, my handguns, my shotguns, my other weapons, my water filters, my colleagues. I don't expect to need this stuff, but I am, as always, happy to be able to just stay at home on my hill and watch the chaos unfold. About the threat to Washington: I think it's relatively high. A nerve gas attack on buildings or the Metro seems likely. (The Japanese AUM cult had Sarin, but was inept. A more capable, military-trained operative has had many months to get into D.C. and wait for the obvious time to attack. And he need not even be a suicide bomber. A cannister of VX with a reliable timer is child's play. If I were Declan, I'd get out of Dodge. --Tim May
Bush's Moment of Truth
Bush said this was going to be the Moment of Truth. Well, we haven't had a moment of truth from his administration yet, so I guess that's a welcome change...
Re: surveillance nation
On Tue, Mar 18, 2003 at 01:17:21PM -0500, Sunder wrote: Interesting, lne.com flagged this as spam. We probably rejected the SMTP connection as coming from a source that's sent us spam in the past. Read the bounce message and use the URL to send me the ID code please. There's no content-based spam filtering on the lne cpunks list. Eric
Re: Brinwear at Benetton.
On Tuesday, March 18, 2003, at 01:05 AM, Thomas Shaddack wrote: They won't specify what *individuals* will get what tags, just that it's a $2,500 Prada handbag -- which still raises the crime concern. Why would anyone *want* to invest $2k5 to a lousy handbag? There are LOTS of more useful things in that cost range. Not anyoneinstead, think any woman. Which is its own answer. High-maintenance women require a steady diet of Fendi bags, Cartier necklaces, and $400 dinners at French Laundry. Hookers are a lot more cost-effective. BTW, I wonder if the RFID tags can be programmed to advertise themselves? Maybe an audio circuit that chirps Three thousand dollars when a society bimbo enters Le Effete Chantrelle through the mandatory security turnstyle? --Tim May
Re: Journalists, Diplomats, Others Urged to Evacuate City
At 09:55 AM 03/18/2003 -0800, Tim May wrote: A Stinger missile launched from a hotel room window overlooking an airport (think of San Diego, for example, as the fllight path comes in over the downtown skyscrapers) would halt air traffic--again. Especially if several attacks happen at about the same time. Half a dozen Western airline companies have already gone into bankruptcy--another sharp falloff in bookings will likely send a dozen more into liquidation. Andrews Air Force Base, or wherever it is Air Force 1 flies out of, would be interesting as well
Re: I for one am glad that...
On Tue, Mar 18, 2003 at 01:39:59PM -0600, Keith Ray wrote: The UN authorized force in resolution 678 to uphold current and future resolutions. The UN voted unanimously to declare Iraq in violation of previous UN resolutions in 1441. The UN weapons inspector's reports detailed many omissions in Iraq's weapons declaration and failures to fully cooperate with inspectors. This entirely disregards the UN stating a position against immediate action on the US's part, which President Bush chose to flatly ignore in his address Monday evening. The UN Security Council is allowed to change its mind. Just because they said the use of force could be justified doesn't mean that the Security Council approves of the US's current actions; that's completely twisting their words (and quite obviously not the case). So-called terrorists hate not our freedom, but our meddling. This is no excuse for use of unconventional warfare against the US nor does it delegitimize the US's use of force to defend themselves. I think it was intended as a suggestion that bombing Iraq won't make the use of unconventional warfare against the US any less likely. And get enough of the EU pissed off and it could lead to the use of conventional warfare against the US. Fun! As far as dragging the nation to war, 70% of the American people are behind him. Oh? Really? You asked them yourself? Because you sure didn't provide a reference or a statistical error distribution... Damn those free elections! Why can't we just agree to let you pick the world's leaders? Oh, you mean the free elections like the one that got fixed by President Bush's brother in Florida in 2002? Or maybe you mean the kind of election in which a candidate can win the popular vote but still not be elected, like in 2002 when the current Bush was elected? Right then. (No, it doesn't matter whether there's proof; the fact that there's reasonable doubt is damning.) -- gabriel rosenkoetter [EMAIL PROTECTED] [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature]
Re: I for one am glad that...
Quoting Eric Cordian [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The US is one of many nations. Since the inception of the United Nations, and International Law, a nation may go to war only if it is attacked or in iminent danger of being attacked by another nation. The US is a signatory of the UN charter, and is consequently bound by it as if it were law. Military actions taken because of a perceived future threat to world peace can only be authorized by the UN Security Council. The UN authorized force in resolution 678 to uphold current and future resolutions. The UN voted unanimously to declare Iraq in violation of previous UN resolutions in 1441. The UN weapons inspector's reports detailed many omissions in Iraq's weapons declaration and failures to fully cooperate with inspectors. United Nations Security Council Resolution 678 (1990) 2. Authorizes Member States co-operating with the Government of Kuwait, unless Iraq on or before 15 January 1991 fully implements, as set forth in paragraph 1 above, the foregoing resolutions, to use all necessary means to uphold and implement resolution 660 (1990) and all subsequent relevant resolutions and to restore international peace and security in the area; United Nations Security Council Resolution 1441 (2002) 13. Recalls, in that context, that the Council has repeatedly warned Iraq that it will face serious consequences as a result of its continued violations of its obligations; So-called terrorists hate not our freedom, but our meddling. This is no excuse for use of unconventional warfare against the US nor does it delegitimize the US's use of force to defend themselves. That is why our leader, George W. Bush, understands that in order to protect our freedoms, special precautions are necessary. George W. Bush is a raving lunatic, barking at the moon, lying through his teeth, and dragging the nation into another Bush family war. Ad hominem attacks against the President are irrelevant to the current discussion. As far as dragging the nation to war, 70% of the American people are behind him. Of course, in order to secure our freedom, all citizens must actively support our government's efforts to secure this freedom. Anyone who does not obviously support American freedom is clearly opposed to it and must be stopped, or he will help our enemies take away our freedom. More Freedom = Less Government. I support maximal freedom. By that reasoning, maximum freedom equals no government. Let's disband the police and military and see how long the US lasts. Let us as responsible citizens of this free and peaceful nation pledge ourselves in the fight against evil. May God help us in our fight. The US is the foremost international bully in the world today, pursuing an agenda of globalization on its own terms, during a brief period in which it enjoys complete and total military superiority. The US is also the world's foremost provider of economic aid. Whether the US is a bully or a peacekeeper really depends on your perspective. World government may be inevitable at some time in the future, but it would be idiotic to permit that world government to grow from the coalition of Bible Spewing Jesus Christers, and their Neo-Conservative handlers that currently have their greedy paws on America's military machine. Damn those free elections! Why can't we just agree to let you pick the world's leaders? Justice in the Middle East would be Sharon, Netanyahu, and two generations of the Bush family hanging in downtown Baghdad. After a fair trial and due process at the hands of the International Community, of course. This kind of statement works a lot better for Tim than it does for you. -- Keith Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- OpenPGP Key: 0x79269A12
Re: CDR: Where are the heros?
A. Melon wrote: Let us pray ernestly that a hero will rise up to slay the evil Texas mutant destroying our country and world peace. Eventually, brute force will meet force and brains, and be vanquished. Bullies are always amazed when they encounter the kinds of weapons that enlightened minds can produce. Rather than repeat myself and write all new stuff, allow me to quote the comments I made here sometime after the first Iraq war, conducted by Bush the Elder, father of Shrub the Lunatic. - What the world needs now is not another mass killing of Iraqis by the United States government. What the world really needs now is a fifty dollar weapon that sinks aircraft carriers. The universe does not view the lives of Americans as more valuable than the lives of people murdered by Americans. Unfortunately, for all the braying Americans do about freedom, Americans can never be truly happy unless someone is telling them what to do, or they are telling someone else what to do, or they are bombing someone for not doing what they have told them to do. The only thing Americans understand is dead Americans. The only thing. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law
Helter Skelter
Two great items in today's news -- the FBI says it will pull all agents off of crime fighting duties to concentrate on terrorism because of the attack on Iraq, and also that so many police and firemen have been called up for the attack that many cities, and especially small towns, are seriously shorthanded for law enforcement. Sounds like a fantastic opportunity to make a lot of money and have a little fun!
Support the Troops!
We will support our troops when they shoot their officers!
I for one am glad that...
Our leader understands the dynamics of peace. As he said last night, we are a peaceful people, and he understands that in order to secure peace, we need to aggressively defend the cause of peace, throughout the globe, by any means necessary. Likewise with American freedom. Terrorists and evil-doers throughout the world hate our freedoms, and think day and night about destroying them. That is why our leader, George W. Bush, understands that in order to protect our freedoms, special precautions are necessary. Of course, in order to secure our freedom, all citizens must actively support our government's efforts to secure this freedom. Anyone who does not obviously support American freedom is clearly opposed to it and must be stopped, or he will help our enemies take away our freedom. Both peace and freedom are in our leaders' strong fist, who protects both for us. Any attempt to pry open this clenched fist must be met with the most extreme forms of resistance imaginable. Think of George W. Bush kind of like your elder brother: he watches out for you and fights off bullies that try to hurt you. But if you criticize your elder brother, then there can be no hope for you: you are basically helping the enemy. Let us as responsible citizens of this free and peaceful nation pledge ourselves in the fight against evil. May God help us in our fight. -Tyler Durden _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
Re: Idea: Sidestepping low-power broadcast regulations with infrared
I think you're on to something here. One quick thought that occurs to me is that for some of the gain, I see no reason forward error correction couldn't be used within the IP payload, at least for a few dB of gain (has this been tried?) Of course, the FEC probably won't help the header information very much, but doesn't IP broadcast use a small set of broadcast IP addresses? Thus, it might be possible for payload-based FEC to know a-priori what will be in the header and basically correct for it. Then there's simply the matter of the reduced bandwidth due to the FEC, but it might be possible for that to look just like good old Ethernet shared-bandwidth-based conjestion (but I'm no IP guy so I could be talkin' out my arse here). -TD From: Steve Schear [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Idea: Sidestepping low-power broadcast regulations with infrared Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:45:15 -0800 Another possibility occurred to me. It might be possible to use the 802.11-like devices for this purpose. The problem for this application with Wi-Fi is its focus on high data rate and therefore low process gain. But there is no inherent reason why almost the same circuits (perhaps even the off-the-shelf PC cards themselves) couldn't be re-purposed for used at lower effective data rates and higher process gain for much greater range and interference immunity while still operating within the FCC Part 15 guidelines. As I recall most of the notebook cards have a max output of about 80 mW. Each of the 5 channels in the 2.4 GHz band can support up to 11 mbps. If you assume that you will use this for stereo broadcasting then only 128 kbps offers a pretty good quality .mp3 This is a data rate ratio of 85 :1 or about 18 dB. For every 6 dB of link margin improvement a signal's range is doubled. 18 dB should, all other things being equivalent, extend the device range by 8 times. (If data rates were lowered to those now common for PCS and used for that sort of purpose, link margins would expand by another 9-12 dB.) steve _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: Where are the heros? and the true meaning of NEW-KEW-LAR
Yes! I've noticed that too! He certainly clarified the reasons for going to war. Certainly a few days ago, news articles were spewing But Saddam MIGHT attack first. - The intention with all of this, and last night ultimatums is to get him to move 1st, that way Shrub Jr can say He hit me first mommy! I'm justified in beating him up. And another thought occurs. There's a good reason he keep saying NEW-KEW-LAR weapons instead of nuclear. It's not just that he's a moron, it's rather that you can claim that someone has NEW-KEW-LAR weapons all you want when they don't actually have NUCLEAR weapons and not tell a lie. This way he can always pull a Clinton with the definition of is and say I never said Saddam has nuclear weapons. Just what this economy needed... to blow away another several trillion dollars to fulfil the Shrub family vandettas. I wonder if North Korea has some unknown to the public huge oil reserve too somewhere... --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- + ^ + :NSA got $20Bil/year |Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :and didn't stop 9-11|share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ --*--:Instead of rewarding|monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ /|\ :their failures, we |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ + v + :should get refunds! |site, and you must change them very often. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sunder.net On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, Neil Johnson wrote: I liked someone's comment that Shrub warned the Iraqi's not to destroy oil wells BEFORE warning them not to uses weapons of mass destruction. Must keep our priorities straight now, shouldn't we.
Re: I for one am glad that...
Tyler Durden wrote: Our leader understands the dynamics of peace. As he said last night, we are a peaceful people, and he understands that in order to secure peace, we need to aggressively defend the cause of peace, throughout the globe, by any means necessary. The US is one of many nations. Since the inception of the United Nations, and International Law, a nation may go to war only if it is attacked or in iminent danger of being attacked by another nation. The US is a signatory of the UN charter, and is consequently bound by it as if it were law. Military actions taken because of a perceived future threat to world peace can only be authorized by the UN Security Council. One can well imagine the chaos that would ensue if every nation that perceived some other nation as a potential future threat ran around waging pre-emptive strikes and wars of aggression. Likewise with American freedom. Terrorists and evil-doers throughout the world hate our freedoms, and think day and night about destroying them. A great deal of the world hates the behavior of World Arrogance (The US) and World Zionism (Israel). Israel is in material breach of somewhere between 30 and 60 UN security council resolutions, depending on how forgiving one is in interpreting the language. That doesn't even count the many vetos by the US of resolutions unanimously approved, and designed to hold Israel accountable for its abysmal human rights records, and its history of disingenuous hidden agenda negotiations. Foreign nationals do not hate our freedom. If the US traded with all, and avoided foreign entanglements, the lifestyle of Americans would be of little concern to our current enemies. So-called terrorists hate not our freedom, but our meddling. That is why our leader, George W. Bush, understands that in order to protect our freedoms, special precautions are necessary. George W. Bush is a raving lunatic, barking at the moon, lying through his teeth, and dragging the nation into another Bush family war. Of course, in order to secure our freedom, all citizens must actively support our government's efforts to secure this freedom. Anyone who does not obviously support American freedom is clearly opposed to it and must be stopped, or he will help our enemies take away our freedom. More Freedom = Less Government. I support maximal freedom. Both peace and freedom are in our leaders' strong fist, who protects both for us. Any attempt to pry open this clenched fist must be met with the most extreme forms of resistance imaginable. Think of George W. Bush kind of like your elder brother: he watches out for you and fights off bullies that try to hurt you. But if you criticize your elder brother, then there can be no hope for you: you are basically helping the enemy. Can I have some of what you've been smoking? Let us as responsible citizens of this free and peaceful nation pledge ourselves in the fight against evil. May God help us in our fight. The US is the foremost international bully in the world today, pursuing an agenda of globalization on its own terms, during a brief period in which it enjoys complete and total military superiority. World government may be inevitable at some time in the future, but it would be idiotic to permit that world government to grow from the coalition of Bible Spewing Jesus Christers, and their Neo-Conservative handlers that currently have their greedy paws on America's military machine. Justice in the Middle East would be Sharon, Netanyahu, and two generations of the Bush family hanging in downtown Baghdad. After a fair trial and due process at the hands of the International Community, of course. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law
Blair
When Clinton was President, Tony Blair was his best buddy. Now Bush is President, and Tony Blair is his best buddy too. But Bush is nothing like Clinton, so you have to wonder what, if anything, Blair actually stands for. It's like any American President can yell Piss Boy! and Blair comes running with the bucket. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law
surveillance nation
Interesting, lne.com flagged this as spam. --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- + ^ + :NSA got $20Bil/year |Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :and didn't stop 9-11|share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ --*--:Instead of rewarding|monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ /|\ :their failures, we |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ + v + :should get refunds! |site, and you must change them very often. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sunder.net http://www.technologyreview.com/articles/farmer0403.asp Surveillance Nation Webcams, tracking devices, and interlinked databases are leading to the elimination of unmonitored public space. Are we prepared for the consequences of the intelligence- gathering network we.re unintentionally building? SNIP This prospect.what science fiction writer David Brin calls .the transparent society.. may sound too distant to be worth thinking about. But even the farsighted Brin underestimated how quickly technological advances. more powerful microprocessors, faster network transmissions, larger hard drives, cheaper electronics, and more sophisticated and powerful software.would make universal surveillance possible. SNIP --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- + ^ + :NSA got $20Bil/year |Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :and didn't stop 9-11|share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ --*--:Instead of rewarding|monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ /|\ :their failures, we |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ + v + :should get refunds! |site, and you must change them very often. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sunder.net
Re: surveillance nation (fwd)
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 14:26:26 -0500 (est) From: Sunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Eric Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: surveillance nation If my host has been spamming - I'd certainly like to know. I just sent you a message directly, it too bounced. Can you email me the logs and/or any messages that show spamming? I accidentally send the original post to [EMAIL PROTECTED] earlier, which of course bounced, I then resent it and later got the spam bounce. Sorry to send this in public but I sent the same message to you, which too bounced due to Spam. :)
Re: I for one am glad that...
Patriot Keith Ray wrote... The US is also the world's foremost provider of economic aid. Whether the US is a bully or a peacekeeper really depends on your perspective. Yes, and the fact that the majority of this aid is in the form of munitions credits is proof of the fact that we Americans are willing to help other nations defend the cause of freedom throughout the world. Of course, it might be pointed out that the US has given aid to the likes of Saddam Hussein in the form of billions of dollars, much in munitions credits. But the obvious reponse to this is that, when we supported him, he was not evil, and had not yet turned away from freedom into darkness. Likewise with the Taliban, Argentina, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia and so on. -TD From: Keith Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: I for one am glad that... Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:39:59 -0600 Quoting Eric Cordian [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The US is one of many nations. Since the inception of the United Nations, and International Law, a nation may go to war only if it is attacked or in iminent danger of being attacked by another nation. The US is a signatory of the UN charter, and is consequently bound by it as if it were law. Military actions taken because of a perceived future threat to world peace can only be authorized by the UN Security Council. The UN authorized force in resolution 678 to uphold current and future resolutions. The UN voted unanimously to declare Iraq in violation of previous UN resolutions in 1441. The UN weapons inspector's reports detailed many omissions in Iraq's weapons declaration and failures to fully cooperate with inspectors. United Nations Security Council Resolution 678 (1990) 2. Authorizes Member States co-operating with the Government of Kuwait, unless Iraq on or before 15 January 1991 fully implements, as set forth in paragraph 1 above, the foregoing resolutions, to use all necessary means to uphold and implement resolution 660 (1990) and all subsequent relevant resolutions and to restore international peace and security in the area; United Nations Security Council Resolution 1441 (2002) 13. Recalls, in that context, that the Council has repeatedly warned Iraq that it will face serious consequences as a result of its continued violations of its obligations; So-called terrorists hate not our freedom, but our meddling. This is no excuse for use of unconventional warfare against the US nor does it delegitimize the US's use of force to defend themselves. That is why our leader, George W. Bush, understands that in order to protect our freedoms, special precautions are necessary. George W. Bush is a raving lunatic, barking at the moon, lying through his teeth, and dragging the nation into another Bush family war. Ad hominem attacks against the President are irrelevant to the current discussion. As far as dragging the nation to war, 70% of the American people are behind him. Of course, in order to secure our freedom, all citizens must actively support our government's efforts to secure this freedom. Anyone who does not obviously support American freedom is clearly opposed to it and must be stopped, or he will help our enemies take away our freedom. More Freedom = Less Government. I support maximal freedom. By that reasoning, maximum freedom equals no government. Let's disband the police and military and see how long the US lasts. Let us as responsible citizens of this free and peaceful nation pledge ourselves in the fight against evil. May God help us in our fight. The US is the foremost international bully in the world today, pursuing an agenda of globalization on its own terms, during a brief period in which it enjoys complete and total military superiority. The US is also the world's foremost provider of economic aid. Whether the US is a bully or a peacekeeper really depends on your perspective. World government may be inevitable at some time in the future, but it would be idiotic to permit that world government to grow from the coalition of Bible Spewing Jesus Christers, and their Neo-Conservative handlers that currently have their greedy paws on America's military machine. Damn those free elections! Why can't we just agree to let you pick the world's leaders? Justice in the Middle East would be Sharon, Netanyahu, and two generations of the Bush family hanging in downtown Baghdad. After a fair trial and due process at the hands of the International Community, of course. This kind of statement works a lot better for Tim than it does for you. -- Keith Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- OpenPGP Key: 0x79269A12 _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
How Saddam Should Have Invaded Kuwait
One thing developing nations often don't realize, is that modern conflicts are fought as much in the arena of public relations, as they are on the battlefield. This is why the Iraqi and Palestinian leadership are constantly hoodwinked on the stage of international public opinion by the more accomplished lying of their adversaries. Therefore, as a public service to tyrants-in-training everywhere, I would like to present the proper way for Saddam to have conquered Kuwait. Several years prior to the time he planned to invade Kuwait, Saddam should have gone on TV, and given a stirring speech to his nation in which he claimed Kuwait was drilling diagonally into Iraq's oil fields from Kuwait, and stealing Iraq's oil. He should have looked directly into the camera, declaring THIS WILL NOT STAND! He should then have begun massing troops on the Iraq/Kuwait border, as if an attack was iminent. Saddam should then have waited a few weeks while the world worried about war in the region, and finally, Saddam should have declared that although he was skeptical that military action could be avoided, he was willing to give diplomacy a chance at the United Nations. Saddam should then have had his UN ambassador grudgingly participate in a debate at the UN for several weeks, as the world frantically searched for a non-military solution to the problem. At the last moment, as war seemed inevitable, he should have given in, and agreed to a negotiated solution, as long as UN Oil Inspectors were permitted to make a brief survey of Kuwait, lasting no longer than a few months, to verify it was free of illegal diagonal drilling activities. Saddam should then have smirked privately, as the nations of the world congratulated themselves on how well the UN worked in solving problems which prior to the UN, would have resulted in wars. Through the Iraqi members of the UN Oil Inspectors, Saddam should then have collected the GPS coordinates of every single bit of Government, Miitary, and Industrial Infrastructure in Kuwait, and stashed it away for future use. As the inspectors approached the end of their mission, and the declaration that Kuwait was free of Implements of Diagonal Drilling was iminent, he should have instructed the inspection team to engage in more and more provocative behavior, demanding access to government buildings having nothing to do with oil drilling, and unannounced access to the Palaces of the Kuwati ruling family. He should have made sure that the inspection teams were accompanied by cameras, to display daily for the world pictures of inspectors patiently waiting after being denied access, and Kuwait Defying the United Nations. He should then have staged a provocation in which the inspectors suddenly showed up at the security offices of the Kuwaiti royal family, and demanded, in direct violation of previously agreed upon rules for inspecting sensitive sites, to be allowed to immediately rummage through all information relating to how the royal family was protected, their movements, who guarded them, and all their security plans. When this was denied, Saddam should then have withdrawn the inspectors in a great fanfare, and bombed lots of Kuwait's infrastructure using the previously collected GPS coordinates. When Kuwait declared that the inspection team had engaged in espionage, and would never be allowed to return, Saddam should then have ridiculed their claims as propaganda. Saddam should then have waited a while, and made a stirring speech at the United Nations, in which he claimed that the organization's credibility was at stake, for allowing Kuwait to defy it, and that Oil Drilling Inspectors must be allowed to return to Kuwait. If any former oil drilling inspectors threatened to expose the inspections for what they were, Saddam should have arranged for them to be entrapped in a child sex sting, and postphoned filing charges as long as they kept their mouths shut. Armed with new security council resolutions mandating even more provocative and intrusive inspections, Saddam should then have kept the process in the news constantly, keeping the public focused on Kuwait's defiance and pointing out that it was not up to the inspectors to find Kuwait's Implements of Diagonal Drilling, but up to Kuwait to prove they didn't have them. Saddam should also have alluded to intelligence he claimed to possess which proved Kuwait had IODD. In point of fact, such intelligence would be comprised of fuzzy satellite photos with provocative labels written in various places with magic marker, text plagiarized from 12 year old student papers, lies by well compensated Kuwaiti defectors with an axe to grind, and forged documents. After several months of calling everything the Kuwaitis did deception, and trickery, Saddam should have announced that inspections cannot continue forever. Saddam should then have asked the UN Security Council to authorize military action against Kuwait, with an associated deadline, or
Re: I for one am glad that...
One can well imagine the chaos that would ensue if every nation that perceived some other nation as a potential future threat ran around waging pre-emptive strikes and wars of aggression. Precisely. This is why the United States should be the lone guardian of peace and freedom throughout the world. And indeed, all nations understand that we should be the keepers of this freedom, which is why they look to us for action and leadership. A great deal of the world hates the behavior of World Arrogance (The US) Stop. Your words border on treason. Please perform self-evaluation followed by self-criticism to correct your erroneous thinking before it is too late. Foreign nationals do not hate our freedom. If the US traded with all, and avoided foreign entanglements, the lifestyle of Americans would be of little concern to our current enemies. No nation in history has been blessed with the bounty or standard of living that we have in this country. And those freedom-hating countries with whom we refuse to share this bounty are clearly enraged and wish to destroy us. This is why it is necessary for all citizens to join together as one to fight those who would take our freedoms and steal our bounty. George W. Bush is a raving lunatic, barking at the moon, lying through his teeth, and dragging the nation into another Bush family war. This is clearly treason, and your dark thinking will clearly cause you many troubles. Our Partners in Freedom (ie, the various government agencies) will certainly find you and correct your thinking, through many long Freedom Sessions, as may be needed. We are a tolerant and compassionate people, but we will not allow one bad apple to spoil the whole batch. I have hope for you, however, that at the end of your education, you will understand that George W. is a strong, just, and compassionate elder brother who has always wanted the best for you. But the journey will be long and difficult, and there will be great pain along the way. In the end, however, if you persevere, we will make you free. Both peace and freedom are in our leaders' strong fist, who protects both for us. Any attempt to pry open this clenched fist must be met with the most extreme forms of resistance imaginable. Think of George W. Bush kind of like your elder brother: he watches out for you and fights off bullies that try to hurt you. But if you criticize your elder brother, then there can be no hope for you: you are basically helping the enemy. Can I have some of what you've been smoking? I've been smoking the American Flag, and it courses through my veins in red, white, and blue. What have YOU been smoking, sir? Perhaps the Koran? And I suppose your blood is a commie, Crimson red... World government may be inevitable at some time in the future, but it would be idiotic to permit that world government to grow from the coalition of Bible Spewing Jesus Christers, and their Neo-Conservative handlers that currently have their greedy paws on America's military machine. Only in the United States do we correctly understand the Bible, and this is the primary source of our freedom. Those nations that recognize our freedom and special status on god's earth will not resist us as we pursue the course of peace throughout the world. Those nations that oppose us are clearly in the dark, and must be punished. Justice in the Middle East would be Sharon, Netanyahu, and two generations of the Bush family hanging in downtown Baghdad. After a fair trial and due process at the hands of the International Community, of course. Stop. You must not speak like this anymore, as you are attacking our freedom. I insist that those that run this list edit your posts for reckless talk such as this, and before our Partners in Freedom find you and correct your thinking. Tyler Durden, proud and free American _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
