Re: Engineers in U.S. vs. India

2004-01-06 Thread BillyGOTO
On Tue, Jan 06, 2004 at 11:39:41AM -0800, Steve Schear wrote:
> At 11:17 AM 1/6/2004, Declan McCullagh wrote:
> >http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-407043,curpg-3.cms
> >
> >Moreover, it is found out that the Americans are shying away from the 
> >challenges of math and science. A recent National Science Foundation Study 
> >reveals a 5 per cent decline in the overall doctoral candidates in the US 
> >over the last five years.

> Not surprising considering the lack of preparation most get today in school.

> As has been discussed on this list many who graduated college before the 
> late '70s were able to pursue independent science experimentation (esp. 
> chemistry and rocketry, etc.).

> Now almost all science can only be learned in the classroom.

What's your motivation for saying that?!

Are you saying that new science has gone too far ahead of the layman's
understanding, that tools are expensive/inaccessible, or that knowledge
is being hoarded by a conspiracy of Illuminati scientists?  I don't buy
it.  Nature is still out there to be studied by those willing to look.

> Many of the greatest scientific break throughs were made by amateurs.

who are alive and well, AFAICT...

http://www.sas.org

What about:

ftp://seds.lpl.arizona.edu/pub/astro/SL9/animations/keck-R.mpg

> We'll probably never know what new ideas were never thought, or were
> greatly delayed, because young minds in science were only channeled
> through the rote of the classroom.

STOP!  We'll DEFINATELY never know.  Don't Rummsfeldize.



Re: WiFi Repeater?

2004-01-06 Thread Thomas Shaddack

I can't be considered an expert on this technology, so probably there is
another, much simpler solution.

The first idea (and so far the only one) I got is to use a pair of
wireless access points, eg, DWL-900AP+ ones (the only ones I have
experience with so far); if I'd have a pair of these, I'd configure one to
access the hotspot, and connect it by a crossover Ethernet cable with the
other one, configured to be on another channel and use WEP and to be
accessible only by you.



On Tue, 6 Jan 2004, Tyler Durden wrote:

>
> I'm thinking about a WiFi repeater...
>
> Imagine I work on a high floor in an office tower, but I know that very
> nearby, on the ground floor, there's a public WiFi hotspot.
>
> Now let's say I want to be able to access that hotspot, but I'm currently
> out of range due to the height.
>
> DOES THERE EXIST something like a WiFi "repeater", which will allow me to
> "reach" that public WiFi spot without my being within 200 feet or so? (I
> deploying one or more repeaters throughout our offices so that I can reach
> the public hotspot.)
>
>
> Of course, it's also better if that repeater masks who I am to the real
> hotspot, and terminates encryption on both sides. But of course, I don't
> want it to cost a ton, and I probably don't want anyone else to be able to
> use it either.
>
> One nice application of this is to be able to regularly send messages from
> this public spot, but without anyone every actually seeing me. And if the
> "last" repeater is in these (private) offices somewhere, it's doubtful
> anyone would ever be able to tell that this is occurring.
>
> Or so I believe...
>
> -TD
>
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Re: Engineers in U.S. vs. India

2004-01-06 Thread Jim Dixon
On Tue, 6 Jan 2004, Declan McCullagh wrote:

> http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-407043,curpg-3.cms

"Today, Bangalore stands ahead of Bay Area, San Francisco and California,
with a lead of 20,000 techies, while employing a total number of 1.5 lakh
engineers."

ek lakh = 100,000

I am sure that there are a lot of good engineers in India.

However, the educational system has to be seen to be fully appreciated.

When my wife and I last travelled in north India, admittedly quite some
time ago, what began as a riot at the University of Lucknow -- students
protesting over invigilation of exams, I believe -- escalated into a
conflict that eventually involved the armed police on the one hand and the
military on the other.  The university campus was destroyed, burned down.

I spent several months in Calcutta over a couple of years.  During at
least one visit there were riots at the university; the papers reported
bodies hanging from trees.  Many had been shot.  Same story: students
protested because they were stopped from openly exchanging papers,
consulting books, or just chatting with friends during examinations.
Many were also angry because invigilators were actually checking the
identities of those writing the exam papers.

The going rate for a degree at the time was several hundred dollars.
Knowledge of the subject was not much relevant.

Such education as occurred largely involved rote learning, often based
on texts many years out of date.

> Moreover, it is found out that the Americans are shying away from the
> challenges of math and science. A recent National Science Foundation Study
> reveals a 5 per cent decline in the overall doctoral candidates in the US
> over the last five years.

No telling what this actually means, given that a large percentage of
doctoral candidates are foreign.  It is becoming much harder for foreign
students to get into the US, so many are going to universities in Europe.
This change has occurred in the last five years -- more precisely, since
9/11.

> The India side story: India produces 3.1 million college graduates a year,
> which is expected to be doubled by 2010. The number of engineering colleges
> is slated to grow 50 per cent, to nearly 1,600, over the next four years.

My impression is that India has a few excellent institutions and a vast
number of unbelievably bad schools.  It seems likely that the flow of
money into Bangalore and a few other centers will gradually improve this
situation, but it is likely to take decades, and per-capita convergence
with the US and Europe seems unlikely within the century.

While 1.5 lakh (150,000) engineers may sound like a lot, you have to bear
in mind that there are about 100 crore (1 billion) people in India.

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Re: DoS-ing fatherland goons

2004-01-06 Thread John Kelsey
At 11:01 AM 1/3/04 +0100, privacy.at Anonymous Remailer wrote:
If we put aside the probable and obvious cause for disrupting the air 
traffic - namely, introduction of the permanent emergency state (in the 
future 2-3% of all flights may be affected - small price for maintaining 
the power), I wonder what are the logistics of injecting false information 
into the snooping systems.
It sure looks Al Qaida et al have already figured this out.  There just so 
happens to be "chatter" indicative of a major attack before every major 
holiday.  This seems to lead to three possibilities:

a.  AQ has worked out that it's cheaper and safer to disrupt life in the US 
by "chatter" than by actually trying any attacks here, and disrupting 
holidays is more fun.

b.  There really have been attacks planned, but they've either been foiled 
actively (e.g., the terrorists got arrested or shot or something before the 
attack took place) or passively (e.g., the higher alert status, changes to 
security procedures, etc., have made the terrorists postpone their attacks.

c.  There really isn't much useful information about AQ plans in the 
available intelligence, and what we're seeing is the intelligence 
community's priors (in the Bayesian sense; their prior assumptions are 
swamping the effects of their meager data).
..

--John Kelsey, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Engineers in U.S. vs. India

2004-01-06 Thread Steve Schear
At 01:05 PM 1/6/2004, BillyGOTO wrote:
On Tue, Jan 06, 2004 at 11:39:41AM -0800, Steve Schear wrote:
> As has been discussed on this list many who graduated college before the
> late '70s were able to pursue independent science experimentation (esp.
> chemistry and rocketry, etc.).
> Now almost all science can only be learned in the classroom.

What's your motivation for saying that?!

Are you saying that new science has gone too far ahead of the layman's
understanding, that tools are expensive/inaccessible, or that knowledge
is being hoarded by a conspiracy of Illuminati scientists?  I don't buy
it.  Nature is still out there to be studied by those willing to look.
Just try setting up a well-equipped personal chem. lab w/o inviting a visit 
from the BATF or FBI.  Its next to impossible for minors to purchase 
chemical reagents, I had no trouble in the 60s.

Try building and finding a place to launch an amateur rocket (it can be 
done, but now only with the greatest of regulatory red tape).  I did.  Some 
of my group's rockets achieved heights over 100,000 ft (confirmed by 
Edward's AFB radar.)

Try doing independent research in bacterial or viral genetics and see who 
shows up on your doorstep.


> Many of the greatest scientific break throughs were made by amateurs.

who are alive and well, AFAICT...

http://www.sas.org

What about:

ftp://seds.lpl.arizona.edu/pub/astro/SL9/animations/keck-R.mpg
Notice that none of the science avenues presented are the one's I've discussed.

steve 



Re: WiFi Repeater?

2004-01-06 Thread R/db
On Tue, Jan 06, 2004 at 02:20:15PM -0500, Tyler Durden wrote:
> DOES THERE EXIST something like a WiFi "repeater", which will allow me to 
> "reach" that public WiFi spot without my being within 200 feet or so?

How about an antenna, instead?  It would work if you have
line-of-sight.

If you're really looking for a repeater, check the comments
from the community 802.11 groups, like Seattle Wireless:

http://www.seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/PassiveRepeater




Re: WiFi Repeater?

2004-01-06 Thread Tyler Durden
Well, I don't think the truly passive route is the most appropriate.

At least, I can imagine the DHCP of Starbucks, for instance, will be "aware" 
of my computer's Ethernet address, or at least it can be 'modified' to look 
for me and report (to a TLA) when I'm online. (I'm no datacom guy so I may 
have fumbled the correct usage of the terminology.)

With an active device "I" could be made to look different every time. (I 
suppose some of this could be done in my laptop, but let's just assume I 
don't own this computer and can't modify it.)

And I'd prefer if it didn't cost me an arm and a leg (come to think of it, I 
could probably just buy a few cheap Linksys WiFi routers and scatter them 
around, but I was hoping for something even cheaper, smaller, and less 
obtrusive.)

-TD





From: R/db <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Tyler Durden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: WiFi Repeater?
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 12:11:00 -0800
On Tue, Jan 06, 2004 at 02:20:15PM -0500, Tyler Durden wrote:
> DOES THERE EXIST something like a WiFi "repeater", which will allow me 
to
> "reach" that public WiFi spot without my being within 200 feet or so?

How about an antenna, instead?  It would work if you have
line-of-sight.
If you're really looking for a repeater, check the comments
from the community 802.11 groups, like Seattle Wireless:
http://www.seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/PassiveRepeater


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Engineers in U.S. vs. India

2004-01-06 Thread Declan McCullagh
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-407043,curpg-3.cms

Moreover, it is found out that the Americans are shying away from the 
challenges of math and science. A recent National Science Foundation Study 
reveals a 5 per cent decline in the overall doctoral candidates in the US 
over the last five years.

The India side story: India produces 3.1 million college graduates a year, 
which is expected to be doubled by 2010. The number of engineering colleges 
is slated to grow 50 per cent, to nearly 1,600, over the next four years.



Re: Engineers in U.S. vs. India

2004-01-06 Thread Steve Schear
At 11:17 AM 1/6/2004, Declan McCullagh wrote:
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-407043,curpg-3.cms

Moreover, it is found out that the Americans are shying away from the 
challenges of math and science. A recent National Science Foundation Study 
reveals a 5 per cent decline in the overall doctoral candidates in the US 
over the last five years.
Not surprising considering the lack of preparation most get today in school.

As has been discussed on this list many who graduated college before the 
late '70s were able to pursue independent science experimentation (esp. 
chemistry and rocketry, etc.).  Now almost all science can only be learned 
in the classroom.  Many of the greatest scientific break throughs were made 
by amateurs.  We'll probably never know what new ideas were never thought, 
or were greatly delayed, because young minds in science were only channeled 
through the rote of the classroom.

steve 



WiFi Repeater?

2004-01-06 Thread Tyler Durden
I'm thinking about a WiFi repeater...

Imagine I work on a high floor in an office tower, but I know that very 
nearby, on the ground floor, there's a public WiFi hotspot.

Now let's say I want to be able to access that hotspot, but I'm currently 
out of range due to the height.

DOES THERE EXIST something like a WiFi "repeater", which will allow me to 
"reach" that public WiFi spot without my being within 200 feet or so? (I 
deploying one or more repeaters throughout our offices so that I can reach 
the public hotspot.)

Of course, it's also better if that repeater masks who I am to the real 
hotspot, and terminates encryption on both sides. But of course, I don't 
want it to cost a ton, and I probably don't want anyone else to be able to 
use it either.

One nice application of this is to be able to regularly send messages from 
this public spot, but without anyone every actually seeing me. And if the 
"last" repeater is in these (private) offices somewhere, it's doubtful 
anyone would ever be able to tell that this is occurring.

Or so I believe...

-TD

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Re: Snake oil?

2004-01-06 Thread Dave Howe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> http://www.topsecretcrypto.com/
> Snake oil?
I am not entirely sure.
on the plus side - it apparently uses Sha-1 for a signing algo, RSA with a
max keysize of 16Kbits (overkill, but better than enforcing something
stupidly small), built in NTP synch for timestamps (probably spoofable,
but at least a valiant attempt to keep timestamps accurate "by default")
and supports a range of file, folder, email and chat crypto with a
onscreen keyboard for password entry (again, not unbeatable but a valiant
attempt)

next step is the symmetric component though - which shows more than slight
traces of oil.

First is a randomly generated session key, protected by the RSA
component - on the face of it fine (its how pgp and smime do it, after
all) but no details are given on *how* the random key is obtained (the
code apparently "contains a true random number generator" which seems
doubtful) and the symmetric component is a proprietary algo (for which
source is provided, but even so...)
Second is pretty much pgp's conventional mode - but with a user supplied
key. no mention of hashing, and again, the proprietary algo is in use.
Third is True One Time Pad - yes well duh! I could write one in eight
lines or so of VBScript, for free. Nobody needs to pay for a OTP
application, certainly not per-seat.

An announcement of the software (and subsequent discussion) took place in
Sci.Crypt some months ago - dejagoogle link here:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?M138249F6 - if anyone wants to read it.



Re: progress

2004-01-06 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Mon, Jan 05, 2004 at 04:32:33PM -0800, James A. Donald wrote:
> The existence of pecunix may well be what is deterring the   
> treasury from a more vigorous crackdown on e-gold.   

You may be right, and it's an interesting point, though partially
inconsistent with the way the Feds have worked to date. Restraint has
never been their strong suit.

-Declan



Snake oil?

2004-01-06 Thread Freematt357
http://www.topsecretcrypto.com/

Snake oil?

Regards,  Matt-



Re: progress

2004-01-06 Thread James A. Donald
--
Declan McCullagh:
> But then you have the next wave of attacks by the U.S.
> regulatory apparatus (again, assuming sufficient
> determination). The U.S. could pressure the Panama government
> to close Pecunix or apply direct or indirect sanctions and
> incentives. The U.S. could make it more difficult for U.S.
> residents to transfer money into a Pecunix account, perhaps
> through direct criminal sanctions or regulatory 
> discouragement. The U.S. could mount a propaganda campaign
> against trusting Pecunix and similar operators, and so on.

Yes, but all this is more complicated, more difficult to do,
and easier to evade, than sending in goons to a certain shop to
beat the owner insensible and seize his inventory.

A ruler who is competent and violent can accomplish all sorts
of things.  As Napoleon said, you can do anything with bayonets
except sit on them, but in fact you cannot do anything with
bayonets. It is hard to do complicated things.

Leviathan is necessarily far less intelligent than the
individuals that compose it. 

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