this is how it may start...(not the t.may way)

2004-01-22 Thread Fritz Wuehler

re - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/shropshire/3415525.stm

All elements are there. Pretty much like situation when segregation in US collapsed.

A nonsensical security ritual.

Legal framework where few words can set one up for 15 years in prison.

Obvious idiocy of it all.

And the government's authority is hinged on it.

The massive I have a bomb declarations at airport security checks is probably the 
only thing that can bring down US government today. They can't arrest us all.









1st amend, compelled speech in US

2004-01-22 Thread Major Variola (ret.)
..public health officials are considering legal action to force AOL and
certain websites to warn members about...

http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,62005,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_2

Compelled speech is prohibited, suggesting it is treason, no matter the
reason.






Re: 1st amend, compelled speech in US

2004-01-22 Thread petard
On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 09:47:07AM -0800, Major Variola (ret.) wrote:
 ...public health officials are considering legal action to force AOL and
 certain websites to warn members about...
 
 http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,62005,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_2
 
 Compelled speech is prohibited, suggesting it is treason, no matter the
 reason.
 
So is it prohibited that drug companies are compelled to disclose known
side effects of their medications in order to sell them, and treason on
the part of FDA employees who enforce that?



Re: 1st amend, compelled speech in US

2004-01-22 Thread John Kelsey
At 09:47 AM 1/22/04 -0800, Major Variola (ret.) wrote:
..public health officials are considering legal action to force AOL and
certain websites to warn members about...

http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,62005,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_2
Yep.  Because if watching a whole generation of terrifying death rates 
among gay men doesn't convince you to take some precautions to avoid 
getting AIDS, a banner ad on AOL is probably going to do the trick.

Compelled speech is prohibited, suggesting it is treason, no matter the
reason.
Not treason.  Not even unconstitutional if they're planning to sue to try 
to force AOL to put up some condom ads, though I can't see how they'd win 
in court.  Just really stupid policy.

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