Re: Email tapping by ISPs, forwarder addresses, and crypto proxies
On Wed, Jul 21, 2004 at 10:20:36AM -0400, Tyler Durden wrote: Yes, but I think it's fairly clear that if one needs to dissasemble the OC-Ns in the field, you simply need too much gear. It's going to be far It's clearly not viable to process much underwater. How much machine room square meters do you need at those cable landings, though? http://cryptome.quintessenz.at/mirror/cable-eyeball.htm easier to grab whole swathes of it and ship it back to Montana or wherever for it to be sifted through later. There is no later, there's only elsewhere. Traffic filtering is an embarrassingly parallel problem. It's the data mining that needs to integrate and correlate. Here is your centralized bottleneck. How many .gov in http://top500.org/list/2004/06/ ? Data mining is different from Linpack. What they probably do, however, is grab specific DS1s/3s locall and switch those via CALEA back to optical access points, where all of this stuff is pulled together into OC-192s or (very soon) OC-768s. As Variola suggests, once you get it back then you can plow through it at your leisure. Got a disident you want to shut down? Surely he's said SOMETHING over the last 2 years that you could incriminate him onfind it, dammit! -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE http://moleculardevices.org http://nanomachines.net pgpTm29tosZBD.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Email tapping by ISPs, forwarder addresses, and crypto proxies
Eugen Leitl wrote... It's clearly not viable to process much underwater. How much machine room square meters do you need at those cable landings, though? Not that much, if all you need to do is send a spliced copy over to your own undersea Optical Fiber Amplification node or undersea DWDM OADM. As for the cable landings, likewise I've never heard anyone mention that they saw any government equipment at the landings, so I suspect it's relatively minimal. A the least, it's a splice over to the FDF (THAT they've seen). At the most, they have a card in the carrier's transport gear where they've dropped-and-continued some of the traffic. I guess the question arises as to whether the FBI, for instance, shares it's network with the NSA. -TD _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
Re: Email tapping by ISPs, forwarder addresses, and crypto proxies
On Wed, 21 Jul 2004, Tyler Durden wrote: I guess the question arises as to whether the FBI, for instance, shares it's network with the NSA. You've got it backwards. -TD -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF ...justice is a duty towards those whom you love and those whom you do not. And people's rights will not be harmed if the opponent speaks out about them. Osama Bin Laden - - - There aught to be limits to freedom!George Bush - - - Which one scares you more?
Re: [FoRK] For those indoctrinated by the military (fwd from andrew@ceruleansystems.com)
- Forwarded message from J. Andrew Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: J. Andrew Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 12:36:37 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [FoRK] For those indoctrinated by the military X-Mailer: WebMail 1.25 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] An alternative perspective. You should try to cultivate more of them. Attack helicopters - I guess that would be one of the things the Russians copied from Vietnam - dumbasses. That is simply the evolution of warfare. Helicopters were great for about twenty years, and then the US started deploying effective countermeasures against them in the 1980s (as the Russians learned in Afghanistan). The Russians learned how to design for close air support the very expensive way. The US has actually been scrapping new helicopter development, though it is committed to upgrading existing ones. While I don't remember where I heard it very recently, but the A-10 (a very well-engineered combat aircraft) has been granted a last minute reprieve and is slated to be upgraded i.e. they are substantially extending its service life. The US is still mostly using Cold War equipment that has been patched with some upgrades. A broad slate of completely new technology platforms is scheduled for deployment over the next several years, bringing a very substantial leap in capability over what the US already has. The new platforms are, quite frankly, pretty scary to the extent they completely obsolete existing platforms. The ability to effectively and methodically destroy irregular forces and guerillas in urban and not so urban settings were explicit design goals in many of these systems. The targeting and tracking granularity of the automated fire control and surveillance systems is no longer vehicle and unit size nor is it dependent on the centralization of resources in big capital equipment. Instead it is more like a decentralized swarm of smaller machines that can work at the granularity of a specific individual. This is actually big picture bad in the same way that strong AI is big picture bad. In an environment where such things exist, all you can do is hope that it isn't used against you because there isn't much you can do about it in such cases. If the initial conditions aren't favorable, then you are all but hosed. Naturally, the US military is already testing primitive active countermeasures against such weapons. j. andrew rogers ___ FoRK mailing list http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork - End forwarded message - -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE http://moleculardevices.org http://nanomachines.net pgpsrvOPIQkIi.pgp Description: PGP signature
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