Re: Geodesic neoconservative empire

[R.A. Hettinga]

At 8:29 PM + 11/1/04, ken wrote:
>Read up on Lord Lugard.

Oh. I get it. September came two months later this year across the pond...

Cheers,
RAH
Now, *that*, I say, *that*, son, is an ad hominem...
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[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

Re: Geodesic neoconservative empire

[ken]

Bill Stewart wrote:

On Fri, 29 Oct 2004, James A. Donald wrote:
> This presupposes the US intends to rule Afghanistan and Iraq,
> which is manifestly false.

Since this chain started by ragging on RAH about it being a
_geodesic_ neo-{Khan, con-men} empire, you're both correct -
there isn't a conflict between ruling them by proxy
and not ruling them directly
Most all empires that lasted more than a few decades used indirect 
rule (famous big exception China - though not always and they had 
to endure generations of collapse between each advance)

Rome & Britain just best known.
Read up on Lord Lugard.

Re: "Ask yourselves why we didn't attack Sweden"

[J.A. Terranson]

On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, R.A. Hettinga wrote:

> At 8:15 PM + 11/1/04, ken wrote:
> >> HUMAN EVENTS ONLINE: The National Conservative Weekly Since 1944
> >>
> >
> >[Heap of transparent murderous lies snipped]
>
>
> If you ever take a logic class, :-), that's an informal fallacy called an
> ad hominem. That would be like me disregarding anything you say because
> your email address was <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.

Which is almost as bad as making arguments, and then refusing to defend
them in the face of opposition (geodesic cowardice).

> ;-)
>
> Cheers,
> RAH

-- 
Yours,

J.A. Terranson
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0xBD4A95BF

"An ill wind is stalking
while evil stars whir
and all the gold apples
go bad to the core"

S. Plath, Temper of Time

Re: "Ask yourselves why we didn't attack Sweden"

[ken]

R.A. Hettinga wrote:
At 9:09 PM -0700 10/30/04, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
I'm surprised
the "Ask yourselves why we didn't attack Sweden" comment
isn't discussed more


HUMAN EVENTS ONLINE: The National Conservative Weekly Since 1944
[Heap of transparent murderous lies snipped]
O dear, I seem to have snipped all of it.
There was no content there at all.

Re: "Ask yourselves why we didn't attack Sweden"

[R.A. Hettinga]

At 8:15 PM + 11/1/04, ken wrote:
>> HUMAN EVENTS ONLINE: The National Conservative Weekly Since 1944
>>
>
>[Heap of transparent murderous lies snipped]


If you ever take a logic class, :-), that's an informal fallacy called an
ad hominem. That would be like me disregarding anything you say because
your email address was <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.

;-)

Cheers,
RAH

-- 
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R. A. Hettinga 
The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 
44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

RE: The "plagues" are Mosaic asymmetric attacks, not biological

[Tyler Durden]

Variola wrote...
Again, the Mosaic approach of repeated asymmetric attacks on the Pharoah
is what Al Q
is up to.  Eventually the Pharoah/US gets fed up and says fuck it.
Maybe not this election, but eventually, and Al has time.  GW has only
4 more years, at best, and Rummy & Cheney are scheduled for a box in the
ground pretty
soon.  Wolfy has more time, but after a few more kilocorpses will lose
power with
Joe Sixpack and Joe's post-Bush "leader".

I think that's pretty on the money. Terrorism doesn't actually need to 
affect any single Head Bandit, but after a regime change or two and a 
pullout occurs the new Bandit can say "We meant to do that anyway." The 
French and Algeria is a great example.

The Mosaic analogy was a good one, too, and not even original: See John 
Adams' "The Death of Leon Klinghoffer" and you'll know why it took so much 
heathaving Palestinians singing phrases from Exodus and Psalms was just 
a little too much for the music-funding establishment. It says a lot, 
however, that the guy still gets commissions.

-TD
"Oh Kent! I'd be lying if I said my men didn't commit any crimes!"
-Homer Simpson
"Touche."
-Kent Brockman

From: "Major Variola (ret)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: The "plagues" are Mosaic asymmetric attacks, not biological
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:11:55 -0800
At 05:21 PM 10/31/04 -0800, John Young wrote:
>To state the obvious to Major Variola, CDC will have first
>indication of a devastating US attack, reported fragmentarily
>under its links to hospitals, clinics and physicians, against
>which the might military and law enforcement have no defenses.
You thought I meant bio plagues?!  Jeezus John, is your metaphorizer
broken?  Any
bio hazard is accidental, or Detrick, not Osama.  A *succession of
attacks against the Empire* is what I mean, alluding to the Jews
attacking
the Pharaoh, until he let them alone.Pharoah=US, Moses=UBL,
Jews=Moslems.
Get your head around that one.
News:
The infectious biological "attack" will be an accident of the modularity
and recombination of influenza on some chinese duck/pig/human
farm.  It will not be intentional but it will kill a lot before the
vaccine
can be produced, which takes ca. 6 mos..  See 1918 pandemic,
and add jet airplanes.  A recent _Science_ article described
a model of this.  You are one or two days away from that duck/pig/human
incubator nowadays, no matter where you live.  That will happen,
but it won't be intentional.  The geopoli implications will be fun, but
UBL is not involved there.
Observation:
A non-infectious biological attack (eg anthrax which isn't
infectious) is cheap, but not Al Q's preferred MO.  They go
for the special effects type attacks, simultaneous so you
know its them.  (Otherwise it could be a suicical egyptian,
a rudder jerked too hard, a screw-jack improperly lubricated,
the NTSC is very creative.)
Of course the Ft Detrick folks enjoy sending
the occasional sporulated letter to senators, but hey, their funding was
running out, you do what you gotta do.
Implementation:
A chem attack is pretty nifty, and in many ways easier than
fission or RDDs.  Since there are so many chems moving
around, and rad sources are so easy to detect, by virtue of the
energy of the emissions, and controlled/surveilled materials.
A tanker into a school is double the fun,
its been years since Columbine, and the underbelly is itching
for a scratch.  (Again, you need to pull off 2 the same day.)
I wonder if there is a school that enrolls only
first born sons, that would be interesting to read about in your mosaic
er netscape er IE browser, eh?   Since your allusion-detector is broken,
"mosaic", get it?
History:
"Let my people go" and taking a beating only works if you have
wannabe-moral brits who want to divest anyway and your name is
Ghandi.  Otherwise the biblical plagues, aka asymmetric attack, approach
is
guaranteed to work in the limit.  All you need is enough popular
support.
Its there.
It only took 200 dead marines and one bomb
to evict us from Lebanon, maybe 50K corpses for S. Nam, don't know about
N Korea, but do the math.   .mil are disposable, but they have families
that
whine and vote.  And the press is not *entirely* 0wn3d by the .gov, yet.
Conclusion:
Again, the Mosaic approach of repeated asymmetric attacks on the Pharoah
is what Al Q
is up to.  Eventually the Pharoah/US gets fed up and says fuck it.
Maybe not this election, but eventually, and Al has time.  GW has only
4 more years, at best, and Rummy & Cheney are scheduled for a box in the
ground pretty
soon.  Wolfy has more time, but after a few more kilocorpses will lose
power with
Joe Sixpack and Joe's post-Bush "leader".
Operation Just Cause
Just because I'm an atheist doesn't mean I have to ignore
Egyptian/Hebrew history.
Just because I live here doesn't mean I don't think the US deserves the
treatment
that any Empire deserves.  Just because I'm an American doesn't mean I
can't use
sophisticated allusions.

Car bomb targets Arab channel, killing 7

[R.A. Hettinga]

One of Ryan's Lackey's business associates, a Shia network engineer from
Southern Iraq, was killed in this bomb.

Cheers,
RAH
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Car bomb targets Arab channel, killing 7

www.chinaview.cn 2004-10-30 02:04:00



BAGHDAD, Oct. 30 (Xinhuanet) -- A car bomb exploded outside the
Al-Arabiya TV's office in Baghdad on Saturday, killing seven people and
injuring more than a dozen of others, said the TV channel and hospital
sources.

 Police officer Ziad Tareq said at least seven people were killed and
one of them was a woman. Doctors at the nearby Yarmuk Hospital said they
received more than 16 wounded.

 Al-Arabiya said all of the seven killed were workers with it's bureau,
located in the wealthy Mansour neighborhood in western Baghdad, where
senior Iraqi officials and foreign businessmen resided.

 The explosion, which took place around 15:10 p.m. (1210 GMT), started
a fire and sent black smoke over the area, saw a Xinhua photographer.

 The fire was put off one hour later and about 30 vehicles were seen
damaged. The facade of the office building was deformed and the site was
bestrewn with glass and car parts.

 Three bodies were charred beyond recognition, according to the TV channel.

 A militant group identified as "1920 Brigades" claimed responsibility
for Saturday's attack, said a statement attributed to the group. But its
authenticity could not be verified. The group said it accused the
"treacherous network" of taking a pro-American tone in its reporting and
had kept warning it of possible attacks.

 Sabah Nayee, former Al-Arabiya Baghdad Bureau Chief, said he knew
about the threat and his office could be the target, but believed that the
pan-Arab satellite news network was doing right and maintained popularity
in Iraq.

 He said a joint meeting was held inside the building attended by MBC
and Saudi news provider Al-Ekhbariya at the time of explosion. But Nayee
could not conclude if the attackers were aware of the meeting before
unleashing the assault.

 The two companies were renting the building along with Al-Arabiya, who
hired around 50 staff across Iraq.

 It appeared the first time a popular Arab language media was targeted
in car bombings, favored by insurgents to wage attacks against US forces in
Iraq and their cooperators. Based in Dubai and a sister news channel of
Qatar-based Al-Jazeera, Al-Arabiya has broadcast purported videos and
statements from militant groups, including former Iraqi President Saddam
Hussein and Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida terror network. It was previously
temporarily banned by the Iraqi authority from covering news out of Iraq.

 However, the Saudi-funded channel was known by Iraqis to be more
cooprative with the interim government led by Iyad Allawi, especially after
he visited Saudi Arabiya earlier this year. End item

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"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

Re: Winning still matters, etc...

[James A. Donald]

--
John Young wrote:
> There is a decreasing chance the US can apply its military might to
> defeat an unconventional enemy. That kind of enemy is not what
> long-standing military strategy and most tactics are aimed at.
> Rumsfeld was hoping to revise that when yet one more mighty military
> war appeared to head off changing military policy.
The US never intended to use its military might to defeat an
unconventional enemy.
It intended to use its military might in the entirely conventional way
to destroy or deter governments that foster terrorism, as was
accomplished very successfully in Afghanistan.
Regime change in Iraq was supposed to deter Syria and Iran, but they
have not in fact been deterred.  Saudi Arabia and Libya have been
deterred.  Indonesia has changed its policy on terror, but it is
unclear whether this was the result of the spectacle of Saddam and his
bullet ridden sons or honest soul searching.
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The "plagues" are Mosaic asymmetric attacks, not biological

[Major Variola (ret)]

At 05:21 PM 10/31/04 -0800, John Young wrote:
>To state the obvious to Major Variola, CDC will have first
>indication of a devastating US attack, reported fragmentarily
>under its links to hospitals, clinics and physicians, against
>which the might military and law enforcement have no defenses.

You thought I meant bio plagues?!  Jeezus John, is your metaphorizer
broken?  Any
bio hazard is accidental, or Detrick, not Osama.  A *succession of
attacks against the Empire* is what I mean, alluding to the Jews
attacking
the Pharaoh, until he let them alone.Pharoah=US, Moses=UBL,
Jews=Moslems.
Get your head around that one.

News:
The infectious biological "attack" will be an accident of the modularity

and recombination of influenza on some chinese duck/pig/human
farm.  It will not be intentional but it will kill a lot before the
vaccine
can be produced, which takes ca. 6 mos..  See 1918 pandemic,
and add jet airplanes.  A recent _Science_ article described
a model of this.  You are one or two days away from that duck/pig/human
incubator nowadays, no matter where you live.  That will happen,
but it won't be intentional.  The geopoli implications will be fun, but
UBL is not involved there.

Observation:
A non-infectious biological attack (eg anthrax which isn't
infectious) is cheap, but not Al Q's preferred MO.  They go
for the special effects type attacks, simultaneous so you
know its them.  (Otherwise it could be a suicical egyptian,
a rudder jerked too hard, a screw-jack improperly lubricated,
the NTSC is very creative.)

Of course the Ft Detrick folks enjoy sending
the occasional sporulated letter to senators, but hey, their funding was

running out, you do what you gotta do.

Implementation:
A chem attack is pretty nifty, and in many ways easier than
fission or RDDs.  Since there are so many chems moving
around, and rad sources are so easy to detect, by virtue of the
energy of the emissions, and controlled/surveilled materials.

A tanker into a school is double the fun,
its been years since Columbine, and the underbelly is itching
for a scratch.  (Again, you need to pull off 2 the same day.)
I wonder if there is a school that enrolls only
first born sons, that would be interesting to read about in your mosaic
er netscape er IE browser, eh?   Since your allusion-detector is broken,

"mosaic", get it?

History:
"Let my people go" and taking a beating only works if you have
wannabe-moral brits who want to divest anyway and your name is
Ghandi.  Otherwise the biblical plagues, aka asymmetric attack, approach
is
guaranteed to work in the limit.  All you need is enough popular
support.
Its there.

It only took 200 dead marines and one bomb
to evict us from Lebanon, maybe 50K corpses for S. Nam, don't know about

N Korea, but do the math.   .mil are disposable, but they have families
that
whine and vote.  And the press is not *entirely* 0wn3d by the .gov, yet.

Conclusion:
Again, the Mosaic approach of repeated asymmetric attacks on the Pharoah
is what Al Q
is up to.  Eventually the Pharoah/US gets fed up and says fuck it.
Maybe not this election, but eventually, and Al has time.  GW has only
4 more years, at best, and Rummy & Cheney are scheduled for a box in the
ground pretty
soon.  Wolfy has more time, but after a few more kilocorpses will lose
power with
Joe Sixpack and Joe's post-Bush "leader".

Operation Just Cause
Just because I'm an atheist doesn't mean I have to ignore
Egyptian/Hebrew history.
Just because I live here doesn't mean I don't think the US deserves the
treatment
that any Empire deserves.  Just because I'm an American doesn't mean I
can't use
sophisticated allusions.  Just because I say Mosaic Plagues doesn't mean
I'm
talking about frogs & locusts.  Dig?