Re: Blacknet Delta CAPPS II Boycott?
On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Major Variola (ret) wrote: > Yes, but can it do organic synthesis? Current microfluidics will result in a chymische hochzeit with desktop nanolithoprinting. If you thought *current* ink cartridges were expensive...
Re: Blacknet Delta CAPPS II Boycott?
At 08:06 PM 3/10/03 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: >On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 09:52:04AM -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: >> Would there be an easy "blacknet" way to offer those t-shirts that would be >> un-shutdownable? > >As Bill notes, there's no need to do it here. > >Specifically, my Epson Stylus 2200 can print t-shirt transfers. The >cost is < $1 for the iron-on transfer, and a few dollars for a >t-shirt. Most modern inkjet printers can do the same. Yes, but can it do organic synthesis?
Re: Blacknet Delta CAPPS II Boycott?
Quoting Tyler Durden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Would there be an easy "blacknet" way to offer those t-shirts that would be > un-shutdownable? > > Also, as an added (perhaps necessary) benefit, the ability to protect > (through anonymity) those that ran the site? There are three requirements for anonymous merchandise sales: advertisement of services, payment, and shipping of goods to the customer. Advertising can work through Freenet or remailed postings to usenet or mailing lists. Anonymous payment can be through DMT/ALTA. As long as the shirts are less than the USPS weight limits, they can be mailed in any drop box. APAS Anonymous Remailer Use FAQ http://www.eskimo.com/~turing/remailer/FAQ/ Freenet http://freenet.sourceforge.net/ DMT/ALTA https://196.40.46.24/ -- Keith Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- OpenPGP Key: 0x79269A12
Blacknet Delta CAPPS II Boycott?
Just wondering...
Would there be an easy "blacknet" way to offer those t-shirts that would be
un-shutdownable?
Also, as an added (perhaps necessary) benefit, the ability to protect
(through anonymity) those that ran the site?
Plus, another thought occurs to me. Is it possible, perhaps, via "Blacknet"
for the site operator to put up the site for a predefined time period,
during which it is impossible even for the site operator to take it down?
How would that work as a legal defense? ("Sorry Delta. My site is on an
autonymous Server and even I can not shut it down until its expiration date
on 6/22/03. Indeed, I do not even know where the server or service provider
is.")
-TD
From: Bill Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: CAPPS II pilot at San Jose - Delta to CAPPS II Boycotters: No
more Coffee Mugs
Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 22:42:40 -0800
Breaking news - The three airports in Delta's pilot project include San
Jose.
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Last week Bill Scannell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> announced the
BoycottDelta.org protest against Delta's collaboration with the CAPPS II
pass-law pilot project. Among other publicity activities,
BoycottDelta.org had T-shirt for sale on CafePress.com,
but Delta has filed a "intellectual property" complaint to stop them,
in spite of the Supreme Court's position that parody is protected,
and if you've seen the BoycottDelta.org logo, it's clearly just parody.
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Delta Shuts Down BoycottDelta Shop
CAPPS II Collaborator Stops T-Shirt Sales, Continues Privacy Invasion
Austin, TX (8 March 2003) -- BoycottDelta, an on-line website advocating a
total boycott of Delta Air Lines (NYSE: DAL) until the airline stops all
cooperation with a test of the CAPPS II program, had its on-line
'BoycottDelta Action Tools' store closed down as a result of an
intellectual
property rights violation alleged and filed by Delta with the store's host,
CafePress.com .
The store sold t-shirts, coffee mugs and stickers affixed with the
BoycottDelta logo, allowing activists to show their support for the
campaign. The BoycottDelta logo consists of an all-seeing eye within a red
and blue triangle. All BoycottDelta products were sold at cost.
BoycottDelta founder Bill Scannell expressed astonishment with Delta's
move.
"Delta Air Lines has been deluged with thousands of emails and calls from
their customers over the past week complaining about their CAPPS II
testing,
and the best Delta can come up with is to say 'don't wear a t-shirt'? This
is corporate arrogance at its finest."
Over 200,000 unique visitors have visited the BoycottDelta website since it
went live on the 3rd of March.
Alternate sources of BoycottDelta protest tools are being identified. A
new
on-line store will be launched shortly.
The Google cache of the store can be seen at:
http://216.239.57.100/search?q=cache:HSkdQ1hc4coJ:www.cafeshops.com/boycottd
elta+boycottdelta+action+tools&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
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Re: Blacknet Delta CAPPS II Boycott?
On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 09:52:04AM -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: > Would there be an easy "blacknet" way to offer those t-shirts that would be > un-shutdownable? As Bill notes, there's no need to do it here. Specifically, my Epson Stylus 2200 can print t-shirt transfers. The cost is < $1 for the iron-on transfer, and a few dollars for a t-shirt. Most modern inkjet printers can do the same. -Declan
Re: Blacknet Delta CAPPS II Boycott?
I think the thing to do is to get RTmark or the YESmen or some other
organization that's used to be sued involved.
On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 09:52:04AM -0500, Tyler Durden wrote:
| Just wondering...
|
| Would there be an easy "blacknet" way to offer those t-shirts that would be
| un-shutdownable?
|
| Also, as an added (perhaps necessary) benefit, the ability to protect
| (through anonymity) those that ran the site?
|
| Plus, another thought occurs to me. Is it possible, perhaps, via "Blacknet"
| for the site operator to put up the site for a predefined time period,
| during which it is impossible even for the site operator to take it down?
| How would that work as a legal defense? ("Sorry Delta. My site is on an
| autonymous Server and even I can not shut it down until its expiration date
| on 6/22/03. Indeed, I do not even know where the server or service provider
| is.")
|
| -TD
|
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| >From: Bill Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| >Subject: CAPPS II pilot at San Jose - Delta to CAPPS II Boycotters: No
| >more Coffee Mugs
| >Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 22:42:40 -0800
| >
| >Breaking news - The three airports in Delta's pilot project include San
| >Jose.
| >---
| >
| >Last week Bill Scannell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> announced the
| >BoycottDelta.org protest against Delta's collaboration with the CAPPS II
| >pass-law pilot project. Among other publicity activities,
| >BoycottDelta.org had T-shirt for sale on CafePress.com,
| >but Delta has filed a "intellectual property" complaint to stop them,
| >in spite of the Supreme Court's position that parody is protected,
| >and if you've seen the BoycottDelta.org logo, it's clearly just parody.
| >-
| >
| >
| >
| >Delta Shuts Down BoycottDelta Shop
| >
| >CAPPS II Collaborator Stops T-Shirt Sales, Continues Privacy Invasion
| >
| >Austin, TX (8 March 2003) -- BoycottDelta, an on-line website advocating a
| >total boycott of Delta Air Lines (NYSE: DAL) until the airline stops all
| >cooperation with a test of the CAPPS II program, had its on-line
| >'BoycottDelta Action Tools' store closed down as a result of an
| >intellectual
| >property rights violation alleged and filed by Delta with the store's host,
| >CafePress.com .
| >
| >The store sold t-shirts, coffee mugs and stickers affixed with the
| >BoycottDelta logo, allowing activists to show their support for the
| >campaign. The BoycottDelta logo consists of an all-seeing eye within a red
| >and blue triangle. All BoycottDelta products were sold at cost.
| >
| >BoycottDelta founder Bill Scannell expressed astonishment with Delta's
| >move.
| >
| >"Delta Air Lines has been deluged with thousands of emails and calls from
| >their customers over the past week complaining about their CAPPS II
| >testing,
| >and the best Delta can come up with is to say 'don't wear a t-shirt'? This
| >is corporate arrogance at its finest."
| >
| >Over 200,000 unique visitors have visited the BoycottDelta website since it
| >went live on the 3rd of March.
| >
| >Alternate sources of BoycottDelta protest tools are being identified. A
| >new
| >on-line store will be launched shortly.
| >
| >The Google cache of the store can be seen at:
| >
| >http://216.239.57.100/search?q=cache:HSkdQ1hc4coJ:www.cafeshops.com/boycottd
| >elta+boycottdelta+action+tools&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
|
|
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Re: Blacknet Delta CAPPS II Boycott?
At 09:52 AM 03/10/2003 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: Just wondering... Would there be an easy "blacknet" way to offer those t-shirts that would be un-shutdownable? If you wanted to do all the work of printing and mailing t-shirts yourself, and had a blacknet that was sufficiently strong for this kind of threat, you could, but that's not the problem here. "Easy" is the problem. Scannell's not trying to do a secret subversive t-shirt printing operation, he's trying to do a convenient quick add-on to a publicity hack, as well as making it easy for people who want to protest at airports or annoy Delta when they're flying anyway to have cool shirts. But he's in the publicity business, not the shirt business. That's much different from the issue of where to do the web page, which is at a small friendly provider in the US. Cafepress.com is the best-known of a number of Internet shops that do T-shirts, coffee mugs, etc. in single-quantity as well as large batches, so if you want to get them printed, all you do is fill out a form and hand them the jpegs and kaboom, you've got a T-shirt store that will sell your shirts to anybody who wants to order them. It's not the totally obvious model (which would be "fill out the form, attach the jpeg, charge the credit card, get the shirt"), but it scales well because they can do fulfillment directly to the person who wants the shirt instead of the person who designs the shirt, and it lets you pick the price of your shirt, anything from "cost" on up, so if you want to do shirt designs as a business, you can.
