Re: Chad Gore wants a chance to vote a second time!

2003-01-14 Thread Steve Schear
At 12:28 PM 1/14/2003 -0800, Tim May wrote:

On Tuesday, January 14, 2003, at 08:29  AM, Steve Schear wrote:


Everything the Supreme Court did in the 2000 election was fully 
justified. The Dems lost, then tried to change the rules.

Perhaps its my lack of depth in understanding the Constitution and its 
Amendments, but it seems to me that the robed ones were applying the 
Equal Protection Clause in a way that could de-legitimize virtually every 
election in American history.  Their intervention and they way it was 
decided sets a very bad precedent.

Some old Jews and some negroes screwed up their ballots and accidentally 
voted, they claimed, for Pat Buchanan instead of who they claimed to 
interviewers they "intended" to vote for, namely, Al Gore. (A ballot 
designed by a Democrat precinct, by the way.)

It was proper that they were neither given a chance to vote over again nor 
given a chance to have incorrectly punched ballots altered to give the 
votes to Gore.

All true, but you didn't address my concern about the nature of the SC 
intervention.

In the book, 'The Accidental President,' by Newsweek writer David A. 
Kaplan--challenges statements by some justices in the aftermath of the 
decision that they had put the matter behind them and were once again 
enjoying cordial relations. It describes Souter and the three colleagues 
who joined him in dissent--Justices Stephen G. Breyer, Ruth Bader Ginsburg 
and John Paul Stevens--as angered and baffled by the majority opinion.

Kaplan's book excerpt reveals that the animosities within the Court spilled 
over at a gathering of the Justices while they were hosting six visiting 
Russian judges. ``'In our country,' a Russian justice said, bemused, 'we 
wouldn't let judges pick the president.' The justice added that he knew 
that, in various nations, judges were in the pocket of executive officials 
-- he just didn't know that was so in the United States,'' Kaplan writes.

``Stephen Breyer was angry and launched into an attack on the decision, 
right in front of his colleagues. It was 'the most outrageous, indefensible 
thing' the Court had ever done, he told the visiting judges. 'We all agree 
to disagree, but this is different.' Breyer was defiant, brimming with 
confidence that he'd been right in his long dissent.'' Justice Ruth Bader 
Ginsburg was more baffled than annoyed, attempting to rationalize the 
legitimacy of the ruling. ``'Are we so highly political, after all?' she 
said. 'We've surely done other things, too, that were activist, but here 
we're applying the Equal Protection Clause in a way that would 
de-legitimize virtually every election in American history','' Kaplan writes.

steve



Chad Gore wants a chance to vote a second time!

2003-01-14 Thread Tim May
On Tuesday, January 14, 2003, at 08:29  AM, Steve Schear wrote:


At 10:40 PM 1/13/2003 -0800, Tim May wrote:

On Monday, January 13, 2003, at 09:23  PM, John Kelsey wrote:


At 10:44 AM 1/13/03 -0800, you wrote:

If you've got your brother counting the votes,
and you can prevent anybody else from counting them,
then you don't need to cancel elections.


Personally, I was shocked, *shocked*, to see the supreme court make 
a decision on the basis of politics instead of a careful reading of 
the constitution.

Everything the Supreme Court did in the 2000 election was fully 
justified. The Dems lost, then tried to change the rules.

Perhaps its my lack of depth in understanding the Constitution and its 
Amendments, but it seems to me that the robed ones were applying the 
Equal Protection Clause in a way that could de-legitimize virtually 
every election in American history.  Their intervention and they way 
it was decided sets a very bad precedent.

Some old Jews and some negroes screwed up their ballots and 
accidentally voted, they claimed, for Pat Buchanan instead of who they 
claimed to interviewers they "intended" to vote for, namely, Al Gore. 
(A ballot designed by a Democrat precinct, by the way.)

It was proper that they were neither given a chance to vote over again 
nor given a chance to have incorrectly punched ballots altered to give 
the votes to Gore.



--Tim May
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approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but 
downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined." 
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