Re: Crypto anarchy now more than ever
At 02:20 PM 2/15/03 -0800, James A. Donald wrote: ... They will be testing another missile soon. We shall see how far it goes. They would not waste a nuke on an untested missile --- which is why they test them. If their goal is to blackmail us into not invading them, I don't think they need to threaten to nuke LA or DC. We have a lot of troops in South Korea, within a few miles of the border. They can threaten them, or maybe threaten Tokyo or Seoul. No need to develop multi-billion dollar technology, when 1940s era fission bombs are all that's needed. If their goal is to extort money from us (this looks like the most likely goal), they have a somewhat different set of requirements. Then, their threat is really going to be about proliferation. They announce they have nukes, and make it clear that either we buy them, or someone else will be given the chance. The saber-rattling serves both to communicate the threat and to advertise for buyers. James A. Donald --John Kelsey, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Crypto anarchy now more than ever
On Sat, 15 Feb 2003, Tim May wrote: But this did not fit the saber-rattling, so Tenet lied. Someday he will go before a firing squad. What kind of drugs are you on Tim? He'll get away with it, just like every body else has. Look at Poindexter!! If anyone needed a firing squad, he's a prime candidate, and yet he's in charge of spying on *you*. I think the duct tape has pushed everyone one over the edge now, nobody believes anything coming out of washington dc. So Tenet's lies don't even register. And that's part of the reason he'll get away with this bullshit. Patience, persistence, truth, Dr. mike
Re: Crypto anarchy now more than ever
Tim Wrote: When I was accused of planting a bomb to blow up President Clinton, I told them to prove it. This sounds like an interesting story. Would you care to elaborate? Orwell had their number. And the technological powers have made the ever-expanding power grab more and more enticing, all in the name of protecting the homeland. There are two fundamental holes in our form of government that need to be plugged. The first is that the country has absolutely no protection against electing a lunatic to the presidency. Whomever the Sheeple toss into office is given control of the nuclear arsenal, the military, and foreign policy for four years. The Congress runs away scared of being called disloyal if they don't support him, and he may piss off and bully every other country in the world for any deranged reason, use military force on any whim, and faces impeachment only if he is caught in his workplace with an barely legal intern hoovering his zipper area. The second is that we have absolutely no protection against some area of government developing a critical mass of people having divided loyalties to some foreign power or ideology. The current combination of George W. Bush, the messianic nutjob who claims his favorite philosopher is Jesus Christ, and the critical mass of Likudniks who drive US Middle East policy, and have convinced Mad George that he is fighting on the side of God to save Judeo-Christian civilization itself, are what is driving this idiotic American crusade to steal the world's oil reserves, impose Pax Americana on the world, and create a Greater Israel. George W. Bush and Ariel Sharon, the Mental Patient and the War Criminal, driving American policy into the 21st Century. And while thermonuclear incineration of Washington DC and Tel Aviv is probably overkill in terms of correcting the problem, it would be nice to have some Constitutional mechanism for dealing with presidential insanity, and an administration topheavy with people who put the welfare of an overfunded offshore US military base mascarading as a nation ahead of what is best for the American people and the rest of the world. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law
Re: Crypto anarchy now more than ever
On Saturday, February 15, 2003, at 11:46 AM, Morlock Elloi wrote: This is what we need to fight. And this was, and perhaps still is, the promises of unlinkable credentials, of untraceable digital cash, and of True Names. Crypto anarchy is needed now more than ever. There are hardly battlegrounds available. Software runs on machines big ones make, bits travel on wires owned by the big few, and DMCA/TCPA/BLAHBLAH or not, it is harder and harder for any crypto to parasite on top of that, at least when sheeple is concerned. Crypto has deferred benefits and thus is beyond grasp in the world of short attention span where immediate gratification rules. The *only* way to impose crypto on the masses is not through anarchy but by organised force - a state could do it. Guess when it will happen. Crypto isn't something the masses have to have, or want, or use, any more than drugs are something the masses have to have, want, or use. And like drugs, those who want crypto will find ways to get it, use it. And like drugs, this is so even if the big ones, to use your weird phrasing, own the highways and the airlines and the drug stores. Anarchy is actually all around us. We've talked about this many times. --Tim May
Re: Crypto anarchy now more than ever
This is what we need to fight. And this was, and perhaps still is, the promises of unlinkable credentials, of untraceable digital cash, and of True Names. Crypto anarchy is needed now more than ever. There are hardly battlegrounds available. Software runs on machines big ones make, bits travel on wires owned by the big few, and DMCA/TCPA/BLAHBLAH or not, it is harder and harder for any crypto to parasite on top of that, at least when sheeple is concerned. Crypto has deferred benefits and thus is beyond grasp in the world of short attention span where immediate gratification rules. The *only* way to impose crypto on the masses is not through anarchy but by organised force - a state could do it. Guess when it will happen. = end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com
