RE: Zombie Patriots and other musings [was: Re: (No Subject)]
At 02:07 PM 12/11/03 -0500, Trei, Peter wrote: It's worth noting that despite over a decade of this rhetoric, not a single terminally ill American has done this, so far as I am aware. Well, I think for most terminal illnesses, by the time it's obvious you're really not going to live much longer, you're pretty damned sick. And until then, you'd probably like to make some personal use of what days or weeks you have left doing something like talking to your kids, praying, composing that last piece of music, etc., rather than blowing random strangers up to make some political point. (Wouldn't it be a hell of a depressing statement about yourself, if you really believed that the most valuable use of the last hours of your life of which you were capable would involve strapping some dynamite to yourself and taking out a busload of random strangers?) Along with that, most people care about either the afterlife form of immortality, or at least the reputation/legacy form of immortality. Even if you don't worry about lakes of fire and red guys with pitchforks, you might prefer not to have your family and friends humiliated and ashamed at the mention of your name. (Oh my God! That was *your* son? How do you live with that?) The *only* even vaguely simlar cases I'm aware of are in India and Sri Lanka, where young Hindu widows (who, in traditional Hindu society have very dim prospects for a happy life) are recruited as suicide bombers by the Tamil Tigers. I think Rajiv Ghandi's assassin was such a woman. So there, the women are still healthy enough to do something, and doing the suicide bombing thing won't leave behind a legacy of relatives who change their names to avoid being associated with you. Peter Trei --John Kelsey, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP: FA48 3237 9AD5 30AC EEDD BBC8 2A80 6948 4CAA F259
RE: Zombie Patriots and other musings [was: Re: (No Subject)]
From: John Kelsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 02:07 PM 12/11/03 -0500, Trei, Peter wrote: It's worth noting that despite over a decade of this rhetoric, not a single terminally ill American has done this, so far as I am aware. Well, I think for most terminal illnesses, by the time it's obvious you're really not going to live much longer, you're pretty damned sick. About half of my friends who died of a terminal illness were apparently quite healthy when told they had joined the nearly departed. And until then, you'd probably like to make some personal use of what days or weeks you have left doing something like talking to your kids, praying, composing that last piece of music, etc., rather than blowing random strangers up to make some political point. Isn't it depressing than some have been living their lives in a way that such an 11th hour changes of heart are necessary or desired? (Wouldn't it be a hell of a depressing statement about yourself, if you really believed that the most valuable use of the last hours of your life of which you were capable would involve strapping some dynamite to yourself and taking out a busload of random strangers?) Who mentioned random? Who mentioned dynamite? What I'm suggesting is no more random than soldiers killing other soldiers in war. The purpose is to get the other poor dumb bastard to die for their ideology. Besides, there is no need for these operations to be a suicide. The lack of fear gives one a decided edge in dangerous situations which may actually increase survival rates. Along with that, most people care about either the afterlife form of immortality, or at least the reputation/legacy form of immortality. Even if you don't worry about lakes of fire and red guys with pitchforks, you might prefer not to have your family and friends humiliated and ashamed at the mention of your name. (Oh my God! That was *your* son? How do you live with that?) That's their problem. From my prespective its like Hollywood: as long as you still being talked about you're 'alive'. It doen't matter what they are saying. Better to be infamous down through history than unknown. ND
RE: Zombie Patriots and other musings [was: Re: (No Subject)]
LEO John Kelsey whined: Well, I think for most terminal illnesses, by the time it's obvious you're really not going to live much longer, you're pretty damned sick. And until then, you'd probably like to make some personal use of what days or weeks you have left doing something like talking to your kids, praying, composing that last piece of music, etc., rather than blowing random strangers up to make some political point. You fucking twit -- who said anything about blowing up random strangers? Cops, fedzis, and other gov't creeps are the targets. Or is that it is just a little too close to home?
RE: Zombie Patriots and other musings [was: Re: (No Subject)]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nothing less than a guerilla war seems necessary to restore something akin to the original constitutional balance in the U.S. But where to recruit these people? My suggestion: the terminally ill. Many TI come to the table with a 'gift', the certainty of impending death and for some the possibility of fearlessness for physical harm or imprisonment. Mr. Dumbass appears to be channeling the Earth Liberation Front: Quotes from: http://www.stopecoviolence.com/words.htm If I knew I had a fatal disease, I would definitely do something like strap dynamite on myself and take out Grand Canyon Dam. Or maybe the Maxxam Building in Los Angeles after it's closed up for the night. - Darryl Chernery, Northern California Earth Firster, CBS News Sixty Minutes, March 4, 1990 Are you terminally ill with a wasting disease? .Don't go out with a whimper; go out with a bang! Undertake an ecokamikaze mission. - Excerpt from an article that ran in the Sept. 1989 issue of the Earth First Journal, urging terminally ill activists to go on eco-kamikaze suicide missions Google on eco-kamikaze for more. It's worth noting that despite over a decade of this rhetoric, not a single terminally ill American has done this, so far as I am aware. The *only* even vaguely simlar cases I'm aware of are in India and Sri Lanka, where young Hindu widows (who, in traditional Hindu society have very dim prospects for a happy life) are recruited as suicide bombers by the Tamil Tigers. I think Rajiv Ghandi's assassin was such a woman. Peter Trei
