Re: [IP] The TIA and fighting terrorism

2002-12-13 Thread Steve Schear
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From: Marc Hedlund [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:13:11 -0800 (PST)
To: Dave Farber [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: The TIA and fighting terrorism


We could be taking this approach, but we're not. We could be improving
the ability of local law enforcement to detect terrorism -- but
instead we're degrading that ability, since we're shifting the FBI's
traditional crime-fighting work onto local resources. The one method
that has actually prevented a terrorist attack on US soil is not being
used, and is instead being inhibited. We are focusing on centralizing
intelligence and resources when instead -- or at least in addition --
we should be decomposing, distributing, decentralizing.


We could be seriously examining the contributions of U.S. behavior around 
the world to catalyzing asymmetrical warfare but we're not.  We could be 
considering that the reason U.S. military are prime targets the world over 
for disgruntled foreigners is that we have armed forces in over 100 
countries (mostly invited by friendly regimes on the dole who rarely find 
their own citizens supporting a U.S. presence).  How many has Britain, 
France or Germany?  When was the last time we heard of their troops being 
attacked outside of a war zone or former war zone?  When was the last time 
you saw a British, French or German soldier walking down a U.S. street?

If we want world peace we must work for world justice.  I suggest we cannot 
simultaneously have empire, security and liberty.  It is time to choose.

steve



Re: [IP] The TIA and fighting terrorism

2002-12-13 Thread Anonymous
A couple of lessons from the 1990 news report below. First, the 
violation of law by high government officials illegally selling 
shoulder fired missiles and other arms to Iran, and using the 
illegal profits to fund the illegal state-supported terrorism 
against Nicaragua, is not punished, as usual (Poindexter won on 
appeal based on his claim that he wouldn't have been convicted 
except for testimony given to congress under a grant of 
immunity). Second, you need not face any public accountability 
and arms for hostages, and profits for terrorism in Nicaragua 
need not be a barrier, in fact it is a qualification, for 
building a big brother system to surveil US citizens (except of 
course those breaking the law at the behest of the government 
itself).

WASHINGTON (UPI) -- John Poindexter, one of President Ronald 
Reagan's highest-ranking aides and the last of the original Iran-
Contra defendants, was the first person sentenced to prison in 
the arms-for-hostages scandal.

Poindexter, 53, who was Reagan's national security adviser, was 
sentenced to six months in jail Monday for masterminding the 
effort to cover up White House involvement in the Iran-Contra 
affair.

U.S. District Judge Harold Greene said Poindexter should be 
imprisoned because he was ``the decision-making head of the Iran-
Contra operation'' in the White House.

Greene sentenced Poindexter to six months in prison on each of 
five felony counts, but allowed the sentences to run 
concurrently. Because of Poindexter's huge legal fees, the judge 
did not impose a fine.

But the retired Navy rear admiral was required to pay a standard 
$50 court assessment for each of the five counts.

Poindexter was convicted April 7 of conspiring to deceive 
Congress, making false statements to lawmakers and obstructing 
congressional inquiries into the Iran-Contra scandal.

Although Poindexter is the last of the original Iran-Contra 
defendants, a special prosecutor is still investigating the case 
and new indictments are still possible.

What Poindexter did when he lied to Congress was ``not a part of 
the normal political process,'' said Greene.

The judge said Poindexter, Lt. Col. Oliver North and others in 
Reagan's White House tried to ``nullify'' a decision by Congress 
to cut off aid to the rebel Nicaraguan Contras.

Congress is elected by the American people, Greene said, and its 
decisions cannot be ``nullified by appointed officials.'' 
Furthermore, he said, Poindexter and North ``engaged in the 
destruction of evidence on a large scale.''

Poindexter headed the White House effort to subvert Congress, 
Greene said, and a ``meaningful'' penalty was necessary to deter 
future activity by public officials.

Poindexter stood stiffly as Greene imposed the sentence. But he 
smiled at his chief lawyer, Richard Beckler, who said he would 
appeal.

Poindexter was accompanied by his wife, Linda, an Episcopal 
priest who wore her clerical collar, and his large legal team. 
He remained free, pending his appeal.

Beckler had asked Greene not to send Poindexter to prison, 
saying ``he has served his country for 33 years'' and made no 
personal profit from his actions in the Iran-Contra scandal. 
``The world is a somewhat different world today than it was when 
John Poindexter entered the White House,'' Beckler said. ``The 
world is safer,'' terrorism is on the decline and there are free 
elections in Eastern Europe, Beckler said.

Before imposing the prison sentence, Greene asked Poindexter if 
he wanted to speak. Poindexter stood up and said softly, ``Your 
honor, I don't have any comment.''

Chief prosecutor Dan Webb asked Greene to put Poindexter behind 
bars, saying he and ``a very misguided and confused Marine 
lieutenant colonel'' -- North -- ``operated a private war in the 
nation of Nicaragua.''

They kept that war hidden from Congress, Webb said, through a 
deliberate campaign of lies, deception and obstruction.

Webb also noted that Poindexter ``destroyed the single most 
important document in the case'' -- a document signed by Ronald 
Reagan authorizing a direct arms-for-hostages deal with Iran in 
an effort to free Americans held in Lebanon.

Although Poindexter did not testify during his trial, he told 
Congress in nationally televised testimony during the summer of 
1987 that he never told Reagan about the subsequent diversion of 
Iran arms sale profits to assist the Contras. Congress had 
banned such Contra aid.

Poindexter said he destroyed the diversion document because it 
would cause grave political damage to Reagan.

Webb later told reporters: ``We think the sentence imposed today 
by Judge Greene is a fair and proper sentence.''

Poindexter was the head of his class at the Naval Academy and 
had a brilliant Navy career until the Iran-Contra scandal 
erupted in November
1986. He faced a maximum possible sentence of 25 years in prison 
and
$1.25 million in fines.

Greene said he would have imposed a harsher sentence -- 21 to 27 
months 

Re: [IP] The TIA and fighting terrorism

2002-12-13 Thread Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer
And this from a 1987 post:

Current online database vendors like Dialog and Mead Data 
Central are already foreshadowings (albeit extremely primitive) 
of a GHA. It is interesting to recall that under the reign of 
John Poindexter, of Irangate fame, the NSC was seeking to gain 
legal access to the records of these companies, which store 
sensitive information about the search targets and patterns of 
their users. As I recall, the NSC was denied legal access by 
Congress, but then there is always the problem of illegal 
access, which is relatively trivial to accomplish wholesale by 
intercepting telecommunications.

see google...