Re: Shock waves from Fallujah

[Major Variola (ret)]

At 12:35 PM 4/4/04 -0800, Bill Stewart wrote:
>>At 1:31 PM -0800 4/2/04, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
>> >A fence is being considered around the Capital in DC also.
>>
>
>Correct me if I'm wrong, but I assume the purpose of a fence around the
Capitol
>would be to keep those pesky Congresscritters _in_,
>not to keep other people out?

No, it would be to protect the congressvermin from attacks.
Just like the anti-aircraft batteries and snipers on the white house.
The SS is also closing all but 1 tourist entrance to the Capitol.

..

In other news today, the US is going to snatch a major Iraqi cleric.
Flash to W. sticking his dick into a hornet's nest.

Dancing in the streets indeed.

Re: Shock waves from Fallujah

[R. A. Hettinga]

At 12:35 PM -0800 4/4/04, Bill Stewart wrote:
>Correct me if I'm wrong, but I assume the purpose of a fence around the
>Capitol
>would be to keep those pesky Congresscritters _in_,
>not to keep other people out?

Hmmm... Maybe something on the order of a lobster trap. Offer 'em a free
lunch. They'll believe *that* one...

Cheers,
RAH

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Re: Shock waves from Fallujah

[Bill Stewart]

At 05:59 AM 4/3/2004, R. A. Hettinga wrote:

At 1:31 PM -0800 4/2/04, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
>A fence is being considered around the Capital in DC also.
You need a bigger fence than that, at least out to places like the Beltway,
maybe out to Fort Meade, right? ;-).
Of course, if they just got rid of the attractive nuisance, if all those
congresscritters weren't able to steal money to buy votes at election time,
maybe we wouldn't have to build such a big fence?


Correct me if I'm wrong, but I assume the purpose of a fence around the Capitol
would be to keep those pesky Congresscritters _in_,
not to keep other people out?

Re: Shock waves from Fallujah

[R. A. Hettinga]

At 4:38 PM +0200 4/3/04, Anonymous wrote:
>Major Variola wrote:
>> A fence is being considered around the Capital in DC also.
>
>Capitol.

Outed as a marxist, apparently. Shame on you, Mr. Pox.

;-)

Cheers,
RAH

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Re: Shock waves from Fallujah

[Anonymous]

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Major Variola wrote:
> A fence is being considered around the Capital in DC also.

Capitol.

Re: Shock waves from Fallujah

[R. A. Hettinga]

At 1:31 PM -0800 4/2/04, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
>A fence is being considered around the Capital in DC also.

You need a bigger fence than that, at least out to places like the Beltway,
maybe out to Fort Meade, right? ;-).

Of course, if they just got rid of the attractive nuisance, if all those
congresscritters weren't able to steal money to buy votes at election time,
maybe we wouldn't have to build such a big fence?



Cheers,
RAH

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[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
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Re: Shock waves from Fallujah

[Major Variola (ret)]

At 03:29 PM 4/2/04 -0500, R. A. Hettinga wrote:

>Howie Carr is shocking Chris Wallace just now about partitioning Iraq
>into three countries, Kurdish (who will have oil), Shiite (who will
>have oil), and Sunni (who will not; geography's a bitch), all while
>putting a Sharon-Fence around the newly created Sunni-stan.

A fence is being considered around the Capital in DC also.

The inhabitants think its to protect them, but some of us have
other ideas... a national zoo or asylum?

We could call it surdistan, or turdistan.

Re: Shock waves from Fallujah

[Harmon Seaver]

   Bah -- none of these clueless idiots get it. The Shiites will start doing the
same thing as soon as it becomes clear that they're not going to get any real
election. The dimwit westerners keep talking about civil war, but the Sunnies
and Shiites aren't. They both know full well who's trying to promote that
agenda. 
   That's not to say Iraq shouldn't be broken up, it probably should, just as
the US needs to be broken up. 


On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 03:29:01PM -0500, R. A. Hettinga wrote:
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> National devolution proceeds apace.
> 
> Howie Carr is shocking Chris Wallace just now about partitioning Iraq
> into three countries, Kurdish (who will have oil), Shiite (who will
> have oil), and Sunni (who will not; geography's a bitch), all while
> putting a Sharon-Fence around the newly created Sunni-stan.
> 
> Kewl.
> 
> The Globe, below, doesn't know it, but they're advocating the same
> thing.
> 
> Also cool.
> 
> "The legitimate aspirations of the Kurdish and Shiite people being
> irreconcilable with a unified Iraq, the assembled signatories
> declare..."
> 
> Cheers,
> RAH
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> The Boston Globe
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> 
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> 
>  THIS STORY HAS BEEN FORMATTED FOR EASY PRINTING
> 
> GLOBE EDITORIAL
> Shock waves from Fallujah
> 
> 4/2/2004
> 
>  THE SCENES of barbarism in Fallujah that have flashed around the
> world since Wednesday will reverberate in many quarters, not least
> among Iraq's Sunni Arab minority. Sunni Arabs, who predominate in
> Fallujah, belong to the group that ruled Iraq during Saddam Hussein's
> dictatorship. They now face the prospect not only of losing old
> privileges but of being dependent upon the benevolence of Shi'ites
> and Kurds, whose kin were massacred by Saddam and his agents.
> 
>  The burning and mutilation of the contract workers' bodies will
> likely affect US tactics in Fallujah and the rest of the Sunni
> Triangle. No doubt those horrific acts will also strain the patience
> of the American public with the daunting challenges of
> nation-building and democratization in Iraq. Civilians working for
> companies fulfilling contracts to rebuild Iraq's power plants, oil
> industry, roads, and other essential infrastructure may be deterred
> from continuing their work and will certainly demand more security.
> And UN officials who have been contemplating a major role for the
> world body in organizing Iraqi elections for January 2005 will have
> to question the wisdom of exposing UN workers to the kind of violence
> on display in Fallujah.
> 
>  But the principal effect of that violence inside Iraq will be to
> make the situation of the Sunni Arabs in the area around Fallujah
> even more tenuous than it has been. If the populace of the Sunni
> Triangle allows itself to be carried away with the bravado of
> Ba'athist and Islamist armed gangs -- accepting the delusion that the
> Sunnis can use guns and bombs to prevent the coming of a political
> order based on the principle of one Iraqi, one vote -- Sunnis
> themselves will stand to lose the most.
> 
>  If they frighten away UN election organizers and no legitimate
> electoral process can be safeguarded, the Sunnis will have brought
> themselves a step closer to one of the two perils most at odds with
> their interests: civil war or the split-up of Iraq.
> 
>  Americans are understandably appalled by the lynch mob horror of the
> Fallujah atrocities, but over the past few months most of the
> bombings and ambushes have been directed against Iraqis --
> particularly police, local administrators, and political figures.
> This violence signifies not simply hostility to the US occupying
> power but resistance to the advent of a democratic system that would
> deprive Sunnis of an inherent right to rule. But if Sunni mayhem
> makes it impossible to preserve the unity of the Iraqi state, Sunnis
> will end up the biggest losers. Should Iraq break into three
> countries, the Kurds in the north and the Shi'ites in the south will
> have oil; the Sunnis in their triangle will not.
> 
>  And if the bombers and assassins succeed in provoking a civil war,
> they will discover that losing a civil war is far worse than relying
> on minority rights in a constitutional democracy.
> 
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> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
> "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
> [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
> experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Shock waves from Fallujah

[R. A. Hettinga]

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National devolution proceeds apace.

Howie Carr is shocking Chris Wallace just now about partitioning Iraq
into three countries, Kurdish (who will have oil), Shiite (who will
have oil), and Sunni (who will not; geography's a bitch), all while
putting a Sharon-Fence around the newly created Sunni-stan.

Kewl.

The Globe, below, doesn't know it, but they're advocating the same
thing.

Also cool.

"The legitimate aspirations of the Kurdish and Shiite people being
irreconcilable with a unified Iraq, the assembled signatories
declare..."

Cheers,
RAH
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<http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/093/editorials/Shock_waves_from_Fal
lujahP.shtml>

The Boston Globe





 THIS STORY HAS BEEN FORMATTED FOR EASY PRINTING

GLOBE EDITORIAL
Shock waves from Fallujah

4/2/2004

 THE SCENES of barbarism in Fallujah that have flashed around the
world since Wednesday will reverberate in many quarters, not least
among Iraq's Sunni Arab minority. Sunni Arabs, who predominate in
Fallujah, belong to the group that ruled Iraq during Saddam Hussein's
dictatorship. They now face the prospect not only of losing old
privileges but of being dependent upon the benevolence of Shi'ites
and Kurds, whose kin were massacred by Saddam and his agents.

 The burning and mutilation of the contract workers' bodies will
likely affect US tactics in Fallujah and the rest of the Sunni
Triangle. No doubt those horrific acts will also strain the patience
of the American public with the daunting challenges of
nation-building and democratization in Iraq. Civilians working for
companies fulfilling contracts to rebuild Iraq's power plants, oil
industry, roads, and other essential infrastructure may be deterred
from continuing their work and will certainly demand more security.
And UN officials who have been contemplating a major role for the
world body in organizing Iraqi elections for January 2005 will have
to question the wisdom of exposing UN workers to the kind of violence
on display in Fallujah.

 But the principal effect of that violence inside Iraq will be to
make the situation of the Sunni Arabs in the area around Fallujah
even more tenuous than it has been. If the populace of the Sunni
Triangle allows itself to be carried away with the bravado of
Ba'athist and Islamist armed gangs -- accepting the delusion that the
Sunnis can use guns and bombs to prevent the coming of a political
order based on the principle of one Iraqi, one vote -- Sunnis
themselves will stand to lose the most.

 If they frighten away UN election organizers and no legitimate
electoral process can be safeguarded, the Sunnis will have brought
themselves a step closer to one of the two perils most at odds with
their interests: civil war or the split-up of Iraq.

 Americans are understandably appalled by the lynch mob horror of the
Fallujah atrocities, but over the past few months most of the
bombings and ambushes have been directed against Iraqis --
particularly police, local administrators, and political figures.
This violence signifies not simply hostility to the US occupying
power but resistance to the advent of a democratic system that would
deprive Sunnis of an inherent right to rule. But if Sunni mayhem
makes it impossible to preserve the unity of the Iraqi state, Sunnis
will end up the biggest losers. Should Iraq break into three
countries, the Kurds in the north and the Shi'ites in the south will
have oil; the Sunnis in their triangle will not.

 And if the bombers and assassins succeed in provoking a civil war,
they will discover that losing a civil war is far worse than relying
on minority rights in a constitutional democracy.


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"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'