Re: Shoulder surfing for passwords by ear

2004-05-13 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Thu, May 13, 2004 at 02:21:31PM -0400, Jack Lloyd wrote:

 I wonder if my Model M keyboards (which have individual electrical/mechanical

Heh. Another http://modelm.org fan.

But, given the Bluetooth alternatives or
http://www.securityfocus.com/news/241
acoustic attack in the privacy of your home should be the least of your
worries.

 switches under each key) are vulnerable to this attack. It is pretty noisy, I
 can imagine that the noise of each key's switch is sufficiently different (due
 to wear, etc) that it would still work with modifications.

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Shoulder surfing for passwords by ear

2004-05-13 Thread Sunder
Hmmm, sounds like we now need keystroke sound jammers.  Shouldn't be too 
hard to implement if you have a good random noise generator, but it could 
get annoying if you play white/pink noise while a password prompt pops up.

Of course, there's still the issue of the pinhole camera in the ceiling 
tiles aimed at your keyboard, but that's old hat. :)

I wonder if different users hit the keys in a different enough way to make 
any difference...


http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid14_gci963348,00.html

'Whispering keyboards' could be next attack trend
By Niall McKay, Contributing Writer
11 May 2004 | SearchSecurity.com


OAKLAND -- Listen to this: Eavesdroppers can decipher what is typed by 
simply listening to the sound of a keystroke, according to a scientist at 
this week's IEEE Symposium of Security and Privacy in Oakland, Calif.

Each key on computer keyboards, telephones and even ATM machines makes a 
unique sound as each key is depressed and released, according to a paper 
entitled Keyboard Acoustic Emanations presented Monday by IBM research 
scientist Dmitri Asonov.

All that is needed is about $200 worth of microphones and sound processing 
and PC neural networking software.

Today's keyboard, telephone keypads, ATM machines and even door locks have 
a rubber membrane underneath the keys.

This membrane acts like a drum, and each key hits the drum in a different 
location and produces a unique frequency or sound that the neural 
networking software can decipher, said Asonov. 

SNIP



Re: Shoulder surfing for passwords by ear

2004-05-13 Thread Jack Lloyd
On Thu, May 13, 2004 at 09:32:40AM -0400, Sunder wrote:

 http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid14_gci963348,00.html
 
 'Whispering keyboards' could be next attack trend
 By Niall McKay, Contributing Writer
 11 May 2004 | SearchSecurity.com
   
 
 OAKLAND -- Listen to this: Eavesdroppers can decipher what is typed by 
 simply listening to the sound of a keystroke, according to a scientist at 
 this week's IEEE Symposium of Security and Privacy in Oakland, Calif.
[...]

 Today's keyboard, telephone keypads, ATM machines and even door locks have
 a rubber membrane underneath the keys.

 This membrane acts like a drum, and each key hits the drum in a different 
 location and produces a unique frequency or sound that the neural 
 networking software can decipher, said Asonov. 

I wonder if my Model M keyboards (which have individual electrical/mechanical
switches under each key) are vulnerable to this attack. It is pretty noisy, I
can imagine that the noise of each key's switch is sufficiently different (due
to wear, etc) that it would still work with modifications.

-J