Re: "Touching shuttle debris may cause bad spirits to invade your body!"
yeah, spying is a much more sensible rationale than these stupid microgravity experiments for big infrastructure investments in low earth orbit... I debated a Boeing representative, gee, back in 89 or thereabouts at a AAAS meeting about payoffs of space station. (I had long been a NASA Technology Transfer contractor, after managing numerous R&D planning and mission selection programs for OART and ERC.) "Structural steel has better characteristics if annealed in zero G." (We used to call it "zero G.") "Oh, yeah? Maybe. Where would this better steel find application?" "Everywhere, bridges, buildings.." "Not at $50K per pound, it won't!" Why do I love NASA? http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/index.html and nary a "furry weavol" in sight! R. A. Hettinga wrote: --- begin forwarded text Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 17:40:55 -0800 Subject: Re: "Touching shuttle debris may cause bad spirits to invade your body!" From: Tim May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Status: R On Sunday, February 2, 2003, at 04:11 PM, Sunder wrote: Far more than likely, the truth is closer that the Space Shuttles have been performing ultra sensitive spy work - launching new spy satelites, or repairing them, and may have pieces of spy satelites on them. Let's see, we're going into war with Iraq, and we're sending up the shuttle to do experiments on how furry weavols behave under zero gravity... uh huh. But, but, but the Israeli Payload Specialist, the Colonel in the IDF who was on the bombing mission to take out the Osirak reactor in Iraq in 1981, certainly was not involved with any kind of surveillance satellite work! His sole duty was to investigate the effects of gamma rays on man-in-the-moon marigolds. That's NASA's story...and they're sticking to it. "Pay no attention to the Israeli Defense Forces spy behind the DOD curtain!" (Several times in the past we have only been told long after the fact that what had been billed as a "scientific mission" by NSA, er, NASA, was actually a military mission. Given that missions are very, very expensive and usually have somewhat-justifiable mission goals, the fact that this mission had no publically-disclosed goals except "science fair projects" suggests strongly why the Israeli pilot was on this particular mission. And Pakistan may be wondering what the Indian woman was doing.) --Tim May --- end forwarded text -- Charley Musselman 43 Kent Street Somerville, MA 02143 617-718-9722
Re: "Touching shuttle debris may cause bad spirits to invade your body!"
On Monday, February 3, 2003, at 09:18 AM, Thomas Shaddack wrote: ...and some very, very tiny fraction may have actually touched some component which made them slightly ill. Tf they ingested a part made of beryllium alloy, it could make them pretty sick... First, if they are eating shuttle debris, think of it as evolution in action. Second, beryllium is not much used in the mostly-aluminum shuttle. Web sites say some of the brake assemblies use beryllium and its alloys. Third, it would take longer for someone who ate a shuttle part to feel sick, due to Be or any other metal poisoning, than we saw on Saturday. I vote for the "sympathetic magic" theory. (As it happens, one of my first engineering assignments, in 1974, was working on a BeO alternative to Al2O3/alumina for packages. Berylliosis was a concern for the _manufacturing_ of the packages from pressed powder, but touching or licking or whatever the finished packages was not an issue.) --Tim May
Re: "Touching shuttle debris may cause bad spirits to invade your body!"
On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Thomas Shaddack wrote: > > ...and some very, very tiny fraction may have actually touched > > some component which made them slightly ill. > > Tf they ingested a part made of beryllium alloy, it could make them pretty > sick... Gee golly! I'm so glad that CNN told me that the space shuttle confetti was bad for me, or I would have gnawed on that chunk of metal in my front yard! Honestly.
Re: "Touching shuttle debris may cause bad spirits to invade your body!"
> ...and some very, very tiny fraction may have actually touched > some component which made them slightly ill. Tf they ingested a part made of beryllium alloy, it could make them pretty sick...
Re: "Touching shuttle debris may cause bad spirits to invade your body!"
Sigh, for the nth time already: While it's likely that bare boards, replacement and replaced parts, manuals, access codes to tell the satelite it's being worked on, etc... would burn up, pieces that were shielded would survive. Think! --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- + ^ + :NSA got $20Bil/year |Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :and didn't stop 9-11|share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ <--*-->:Instead of rewarding|monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ /|\ :their failures, we |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ + v + :should get refunds! |site, and you must change them very often. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sunder.net On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, [ISO-8859-1] Mikko Sdreld wrote: > On Sun, 2 Feb 2003, Sunder wrote: > > Far more than likely, the truth is closer that the Space Shuttles have > > been performing ultra sensitive spy work - launching new spy satelites, or > > repairing them, and may have pieces of spy satelites on them. > > > > Let's see, we're going into war with Iraq, and we're sending up the > > shuttle to do experiments on how furry weavols behave under zero > > gravity... uh huh. > > Now why would they have spy satellites on board still when they are coming > _down_? One might think that if such things were part of the mission > they'd leave them up to spy, rather than bring them back down. > > -- > Mikko"One Ring to rule them all, > One Ring to find them, > One Ring to bring them all > And in the Darkness bind them."
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On Sun, 2 Feb 2003, Sunder wrote: > Far more than likely, the truth is closer that the Space Shuttles have > been performing ultra sensitive spy work - launching new spy satelites, or > repairing them, and may have pieces of spy satelites on them. > > Let's see, we're going into war with Iraq, and we're sending up the > shuttle to do experiments on how furry weavols behave under zero > gravity... uh huh. Now why would they have spy satellites on board still when they are coming _down_? One might think that if such things were part of the mission they'd leave them up to spy, rather than bring them back down. -- Mikko"One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all And in the Darkness bind them."
Re: "Touching shuttle debris may cause bad spirits to invade your body!"
at Monday, February 03, 2003 3:48 AM, Sunder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was seen to say: > Think upgrading of circuit boards. Remove old board, insert new > board for example. Leaving the old board circling around may not be > a good thing. Just for example. Yeah, makes sense. ok, I withdraw my objections to the conspiracy theory :)
Re: "Touching shuttle debris may cause bad spirits to invade your body!"
On Sunday, February 2, 2003, at 11:07 PM, John Kelsey wrote: A real journalist would just roll his eyes and say "Look, folks, NASA wants these pieces to be aid in reconstructing the accident. There are no traces of liquid propellants and deadly chemicals on these pieces. And they certainly didn't stay hot for long. NASA is trying to get us to feed you jive so you'll be properly frightened and won't touch them.?" I recall a guy on NPR saying something like this, a bit more politely. Something like "The pieces surely aren't going to be dangerous, but moving them is going to mess up the investigation of the crash." Which presumably is what everyone with any technical background and common sense was thinking when they heard the original warning, right? The last laugh may be from the lawsuits. Yahoo reports "hundreds" of people reporting sickness, blah blah, from contact with the debris. Almost certainly all either bullshit or sympathetic magic, but the obvious result of the news outlets widely reporting "the space debris may make you very sick!" Some fraction actually think they are sick, some fraction hope to share in a possible payout of billions by a backed-into-a-corner space agency, and some very, very tiny fraction may have actually touched some component which made them slightly ill. Dumb fucks, all. --Tim May "The only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not a sufficient warrant." --John Stuart Mill
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At 10:19 AM 2/2/03 -0800, Tim May wrote: ... Speaking of journalists, why does Wolf Blitzer repeat this obvious lie about the metal bits and pieces being tainted by evil spirits? Because these so-called journalists are stooges for the state. Well, the bit about "18 times the speed of light," and other mistakes I've seen through the years, make me suspect that Wolf and company simply don't have the technical background and built-in BS detectors necessary to catch things like this. (For some reason I've never been able to fathom, many journalists seem to be remarkably gullable, when they're told something from the right kind of source, especially a government agency or other official source.) A real journalist would just roll his eyes and say "Look, folks, NASA wants these pieces to be aid in reconstructing the accident. There are no traces of liquid propellants and deadly chemicals on these pieces. And they certainly didn't stay hot for long. NASA is trying to get us to feed you jive so you'll be properly frightened and won't touch them.?" I recall a guy on NPR saying something like this, a bit more politely. Something like "The pieces surely aren't going to be dangerous, but moving them is going to mess up the investigation of the crash." Which presumably is what everyone with any technical background and common sense was thinking when they heard the original warning, right? --Tim May, Occupied America John Kelsey, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: "Touching shuttle debris may cause bad spirits to invade your body!"
Think upgrading of circuit boards. Remove old board, insert new board for example. Leaving the old board circling around may not be a good thing. Just for example. --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- + ^ + :NSA got $20Bil/year |Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :and didn't stop 9-11|share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ <--*-->:Instead of rewarding|monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ /|\ :their failures, we |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ + v + :should get refunds! |site, and you must change them very often. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sunder.net On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Dave Howe wrote: > Sunder wrote: > > Let's see, we're going into war with Iraq, and we're sending up the > > shuttle to do experiments on how furry weavols behave under zero > > gravity... uh huh. > Lothe though I am to shed doubt on your consipiracy theories - but the > shuttle was on its way *down*. Why would they be bringing sooper Sekrit spy > satellites back?
Re: "Touching shuttle debris may cause bad spirits to invade your body!"
On Sunday, February 2, 2003, at 04:11 PM, Sunder wrote: Far more than likely, the truth is closer that the Space Shuttles have been performing ultra sensitive spy work - launching new spy satelites, or repairing them, and may have pieces of spy satelites on them. Let's see, we're going into war with Iraq, and we're sending up the shuttle to do experiments on how furry weavols behave under zero gravity... uh huh. But, but, but the Israeli Payload Specialist, the Colonel in the IDF who was on the bombing mission to take out the Osirak reactor in Iraq in 1981, certainly was not involved with any kind of surveillance satellite work! His sole duty was to investigate the effects of gamma rays on man-in-the-moon marigolds. That's NASA's story...and they're sticking to it. "Pay no attention to the Israeli Defense Forces spy behind the DOD curtain!" (Several times in the past we have only been told long after the fact that what had been billed as a "scientific mission" by NSA, er, NASA, was actually a military mission. Given that missions are very, very expensive and usually have somewhat-justifiable mission goals, the fact that this mission had no publically-disclosed goals except "science fair projects" suggests strongly why the Israeli pilot was on this particular mission. And Pakistan may be wondering what the Indian woman was doing.) --Tim May
Re: "Touching shuttle debris may cause bad spirits to invade your body!"
On Sun, Feb 02, 2003 at 10:19:27AM -0800, Tim May wrote: > A real journalist would just roll his eyes and say "Look, folks, NASA > wants these pieces to be aid in reconstructing the accident. There are > no traces of liquid propellants and deadly chemicals on these pieces. > And they certainly didn't stay hot for long. NASA is trying to get us > to feed you jive so you'll be properly frightened and won't touch > them.?" No one with the gumption to say the truth is allowed near a mic at any major media outlet. Instead they get marginalized as a "conspiracy theorist" along with the UFO idiots, and the mass media hire dolts who will read what they're told to read. I'm not sure which is more irritating-- the obvious way in which the govermedia manipulate the issue, or their automatic assumption that americans are too stupid/criminal to turn in all the parts they find if NASA just said "we need all the parts, please bring 'em in". Eric
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--- Eric Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Feb > I'm not sure which is more irritating-- the obvious > way in which > the govermedia manipulate the issue, or their > automatic assumption that > americans are too stupid/criminal to turn in all the > parts they > find if NASA just said "we need all the parts, > please bring 'em in". In part it seems it is because such a vast number of people in America have been so well served by the education system that the most effective way to coerce obedience is to invoke their fear of the unknown. I'm sure that the other part of the equation is that the government officials responsible for the cleanup feel they must take advantage of every oppourtunity to assert their authority; to make it impicit to every command/request. It is an insult to the intelligence, but to speak out in indignation invites the wrath of the low-level, insecure powers that be. Regards, Steve __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Re: "Touching shuttle debris may cause bad spirits to invade your body!"
At 10:19 AM 02/02/2003 -0800, Tim May wrote: Journalists may as well be saying the above, saying that shuttle debris has evil spirits which can come out if the debris is touched. They're also saying that Feds will come and arrest you if you touch them. You'll have to draw your own conclusions about equivalence classes there... (A friend of mine likens cops to vampires - they aren't supposed to come in your house unless someone invites them, but if you are so foolish as to invite them in, you won't be able to control what happens when they're there or get them to leave when you want them to go.)
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On Sunday, February 2, 2003, at 05:42 PM, Dave Howe wrote: Sunder wrote: Let's see, we're going into war with Iraq, and we're sending up the shuttle to do experiments on how furry weavols behave under zero gravity... uh huh. Lothe though I am to shed doubt on your consipiracy theories - but the shuttle was on its way *down*. Why would they be bringing sooper Sekrit spy satellites back? You haven't been reading. Cf. the threads on the Chinese Shen Zou satellite, left in orbit less than a month ago. SZ-4 is of deep interest to the IDF (Payload Specialist Ramon, who is not Mexican) and to the NRO. --Tim May "You don't expect governments to obey the law because of some higher moral development. You expect them to obey the law because they know that if they don't, those who aren't shot will be hanged." - -Michael Shirley
Re: "Touching shuttle debris may cause bad spirits to invade your body!"
Far more than likely, the truth is closer that the Space Shuttles have been performing ultra sensitive spy work - launching new spy satelites, or repairing them, and may have pieces of spy satelites on them. Let's see, we're going into war with Iraq, and we're sending up the shuttle to do experiments on how furry weavols behave under zero gravity... uh huh. --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- + ^ + :NSA got $20Bil/year |Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :and didn't stop 9-11|share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ <--*-->:Instead of rewarding|monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ /|\ :their failures, we |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ + v + :should get refunds! |site, and you must change them very often. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sunder.net On Sun, 2 Feb 2003, Tim May wrote: > Journalists may as well be saying the above, saying that shuttle debris > has evil spirits which can come out if the debris is touched. > A real journalist would just roll his eyes and say "Look, folks, NASA > wants these pieces to be aid in reconstructing the accident. There are > no traces of liquid propellants and deadly chemicals on these pieces. > And they certainly didn't stay hot for long. NASA is trying to get us > to feed you jive so you'll be properly frightened and won't touch > them.?"
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Sunder wrote: > Let's see, we're going into war with Iraq, and we're sending up the > shuttle to do experiments on how furry weavols behave under zero > gravity... uh huh. Lothe though I am to shed doubt on your consipiracy theories - but the shuttle was on its way *down*. Why would they be bringing sooper Sekrit spy satellites back?
Re: "Touching shuttle debris may cause bad spirits to invade your body!"
Tim May wrote... "Last laugh: CNN is carrying (10:06 a.m. PST) an "information" slug at the bottom of a Wolf Blitzer interview: "Columbia was traveling 18 times faster than the speed of light." Yes, "speed of light." " Yo Choate! Want to take a crack at this? Please explain using your theories how the shuttle can be traveling 18 times faster than light! -TD "Ain't I a stinker?" BB From: Tim May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: "Touching shuttle debris may cause bad spirits to invade your body!" Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 10:19:27 -0800 Journalists may as well be saying the above, saying that shuttle debris has evil spirits which can come out if the debris is touched. Part of the dumbing down of America, and of journalism. (I just heard one Fox News anchorbimbo referring to the Russian rocket launched today as "bringing supplies to the space station.) The journalists are spouting the NASA line that shuttle debris may be "hot" and may have dangerous substances. Right. As if the heat and spinning and 12000 mph turbulence hasn't scrubbed every surface of its volatiles. What they want is for people not to collect the pieces and hang on to them on their fireplace mantles. Or to try to sell them at flea markets and EBay. But the only way they think they can frighten people off is to utter obvious gibberish about how the pieces are "hot" and "may be toxic." "DALLAS (AP) - From corrosive fuels to ammonia-like liquids, insulation and plastics, space shuttle Columbia carried a witch's brew of toxic and caustic materials designed to work in the hostile environment of space. "Authorities warned the public to stay away from shuttle debris because it could be harmful. "Perry said either liquid oxygen from the shuttle's fuel system or liquid nitrogen used to inflate the tires could be dangerous. " Right. Those charred and warped pieces of metal are going to have liquid oxygen and/or liquid nitrogen on them...after the fall and after sitting on the ground (not to mentioned being so "hot," other NASA droids and reporters report). (Needless to say, any look at the images of the designated officials picking up the bits of debris shows no HAZMAT suits, no welding gloves to deal with the "hot" debris. The pickup crews are just wearing ordinary coveralls and uniforms.) Last laugh: CNN is carrying (10:06 a.m. PST) an "information" slug at the bottom of a Wolf Blitzer interview: "Columbia was traveling 18 times faster than the speed of light." Yes, "speed of light." Speaking of journalists, why does Wolf Blitzer repeat this obvious lie about the metal bits and pieces being tainted by evil spirits? Because these so-called journalists are stooges for the state. A real journalist would just roll his eyes and say "Look, folks, NASA wants these pieces to be aid in reconstructing the accident. There are no traces of liquid propellants and deadly chemicals on these pieces. And they certainly didn't stay hot for long. NASA is trying to get us to feed you jive so you'll be properly frightened and won't touch them.?" --Tim May, Occupied America "They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759. _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Re: "Touching shuttle debris may cause bad spirits to invade your body!"
At 10:19 AM -0800 2/2/03, Tim May wrote: >Last laugh: CNN is carrying (10:06 a.m. PST) an "information" slug at >the bottom of a Wolf Blitzer interview: "Columbia was traveling 18 >times faster than the speed of light." > >Yes, "speed of light." "Please mister spaceman, won't you please take me along for a ride." - J. McGuinn - Bill Frantz | Due process for all| Periwinkle -- Consulting (408)356-8506 | used to be the Ameican | 16345 Englewood Ave. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | way. | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA
"Touching shuttle debris may cause bad spirits to invade your body!"
Journalists may as well be saying the above, saying that shuttle debris has evil spirits which can come out if the debris is touched. Part of the dumbing down of America, and of journalism. (I just heard one Fox News anchorbimbo referring to the Russian rocket launched today as "bringing supplies to the space station.) The journalists are spouting the NASA line that shuttle debris may be "hot" and may have dangerous substances. Right. As if the heat and spinning and 12000 mph turbulence hasn't scrubbed every surface of its volatiles. What they want is for people not to collect the pieces and hang on to them on their fireplace mantles. Or to try to sell them at flea markets and EBay. But the only way they think they can frighten people off is to utter obvious gibberish about how the pieces are "hot" and "may be toxic." "DALLAS (AP) - From corrosive fuels to ammonia-like liquids, insulation and plastics, space shuttle Columbia carried a witch's brew of toxic and caustic materials designed to work in the hostile environment of space. "Authorities warned the public to stay away from shuttle debris because it could be harmful. "Perry said either liquid oxygen from the shuttle's fuel system or liquid nitrogen used to inflate the tires could be dangerous. " Right. Those charred and warped pieces of metal are going to have liquid oxygen and/or liquid nitrogen on them...after the fall and after sitting on the ground (not to mentioned being so "hot," other NASA droids and reporters report). (Needless to say, any look at the images of the designated officials picking up the bits of debris shows no HAZMAT suits, no welding gloves to deal with the "hot" debris. The pickup crews are just wearing ordinary coveralls and uniforms.) Last laugh: CNN is carrying (10:06 a.m. PST) an "information" slug at the bottom of a Wolf Blitzer interview: "Columbia was traveling 18 times faster than the speed of light." Yes, "speed of light." Speaking of journalists, why does Wolf Blitzer repeat this obvious lie about the metal bits and pieces being tainted by evil spirits? Because these so-called journalists are stooges for the state. A real journalist would just roll his eyes and say "Look, folks, NASA wants these pieces to be aid in reconstructing the accident. There are no traces of liquid propellants and deadly chemicals on these pieces. And they certainly didn't stay hot for long. NASA is trying to get us to feed you jive so you'll be properly frightened and won't touch them.?" --Tim May, Occupied America "They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759.
Re: "Touching shuttle debris may cause bad spirits to invade your body!"
On Sunday, February 2, 2003, at 10:19 AM, Tim May wrote: Last laugh: CNN is carrying (10:06 a.m. PST) an "information" slug at the bottom of a Wolf Blitzer interview: "Columbia was traveling 18 times faster than the speed of light." Yes, "speed of light." This same slug has since appeared several more times, suggesting only complete morons and scientific illiterates are manning the control rooms. --Tim May
