Re: cloning as heresy (Re: Fresh Hell)
On Sat, 18 Jan 2003, Harmon Seaver wrote: > Ah, now I see. Before, I was thinking that he was talking about the passage > where Onan pulls out and spills his seed on the ground, which, somehow, became a > prescription against masturbation, although reading it, especially in context, > is clearly just about pulling out. Or possibly against birth-control. > "Thou shalt not pull out.", thus saith the Lord, "or in any other way deprive > thy partner of the power of thy final orgasmic thrusting." > > 8-) > > Weird, isn't it, that this became so associated with masturbation > that a very successful company -- "Onan" -- even would choose their > name for generators, i.e., "self power" or "do it alone", etc., from > that passage. Even weirder that it doesn't have the slightest thing to > do with jacking off, but with someone not willing to accept their (at > the time) societal duty to support his dead brother's wife and father > her children. The irony, of course, is what the Catholic Church would have to say if the brother-in-laws of modern widows resumed this practice. -MW-
cloning as heresy (Re: Fresh Hell)
At 09:44 PM 1/17/03 -0800, Morlock Elloi wrote: >>>1) Fucks up the prevailing religion doctrine. >>> >>Funny, but I can't seem to find the passage in the Bible where it talks >>about cloning. In fact, I can't find any passage that even remotely >>impinges on the subject. > >Provided that I had the christian cult in mind (where I am not an connoisseur), >wasn't there something about exclusivity of conceiving without fucking ? He's talking about parthogenesis. You know, a young unwed palestinian gets knocked up, has a schizophrenic bastard son who makes it big in the city, gets a following, and is WACO-ized, more or less.
Re: cloning as heresy (Re: Fresh Hell)
On Sat, 18 Jan 2003, Major Variola (ret) wrote: > He's talking about parthogenesis. There must be several passages which could be interpreted that way. God put Adam into a deep sleep, and fashoned Eve from his rib. Doable, if you knock out one Y chromosome and inject another X from another cell. Must be a slow weekend, that we're discussing some random scripture.
Re: cloning as heresy (Re: Fresh Hell)
On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 09:36:30PM +0100, Eugen Leitl wrote: > On Sat, 18 Jan 2003, Major Variola (ret) wrote: > > > He's talking about parthogenesis. > > There must be several passages which could be interpreted that way. God > put Adam into a deep sleep, and fashoned Eve from his rib. Doable, if you > knock out one Y chromosome and inject another X from another cell. Ah, now I see. Before, I was thinking that he was talking about the passage where Onan pulls out and spills his seed on the ground, which, somehow, became a prescription against masturbation, although reading it, especially in context, is clearly just about pulling out. Or possibly against birth-control. "Thou shalt not pull out.", thus saith the Lord, "or in any other way deprive thy partner of the power of thy final orgasmic thrusting." 8-) Weird, isn't it, that this became so associated with masturbation that a very successful company -- "Onan" -- even would choose their name for generators, i.e., "self power" or "do it alone", etc., from that passage. Even weirder that it doesn't have the slightest thing to do with jacking off, but with someone not willing to accept their (at the time) societal duty to support his dead brother's wife and father her children. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com
