Re: [darktable-dev] Pushing ISO (ISO invarience)

[Wiktor Nowak]

Normally You use one exposure module and push it 3EV max. They
duplicated it and pusched it 1 stop more so maybe here something tricky
happens. I did a test witch 5EV underexposed image on 80D and I didn't
noticed any exposure difference when I pushed it 3EV plus 2EV in
darktable. It could be a difference in darktable overall in a shape of
base curve for this Nikon or anything else.

Actually I don't think it's a problem at all. Do You think it is?

W dniu 02.03.2019 o 11:22, Andreas Schneider pisze:
> Hi,
> 
> there a video where they did take and underexposed image and then pushed the 
> exposure 4 EVs. darktable produced a darker image than the other raw 
> developers.
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAb85TukSuc
> 
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Re: Fwd: [darktable-dev] Pushing ISO (ISO invarience)

[Mark Feit]

On 3/2/19 5:37 AM, Bruce Williams wrote:
Yeah, but the numb nuts said "darktable could only give +3 stops of 
exposure".
Clearly, they did not know about the ability to instigate a second 
instead of a module.



As cameras continue to see better in the dark, I wonder if it would be 
worth considering bumping the upper limit on the slider to +4.  With my 
D750, +2.75 is no longer the source of amazement it once was.  :-)


--Mark


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Re: Fwd: [darktable-dev] Pushing ISO (ISO invarience)

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Moritz Mœller  [03-02-19 15:59]:
> And how are you representative as a user? What's the relevance of your
> experience in the context of what I said?
> 
> I have no problem with DT's UI but I'm a professional VFX artist and
> software engineer. My DT UX is zero representative for this reason and for
> the most obvious one: I'm just a single person. Sample size one.
> 
> Beers,
> 
> .mm
> 
> On March 2, 2019 17:03:45 Jason Polak  wrote:
> 
> > Going to have to disagree with that, and I think at least some of it is
> > what you used first. I actually tried darktable before Lightroom and
> > just by clicking around I found darktable pretty intuitive. Trying to do
> > the same in Lightroom was confusing after that.
> > 
> > Jason
> > 
> > On 2/3/19 9:19 am, Moritz Mœller wrote:
> > > I'm not surprised by the comment. DT's UI isn't intuitive.
> > > If you are a person that learns a software by using it/trial & error
> > > instead of reading the manual, your experience will be pretty unfavorable.
> > > 
> > > I haven't watched the video but from the comments here it seens it's
> > > about features, not UX. So it's still unfair of them to not RTFM and
> > > give DT a worse score thus.
> > > 
> > > .mm
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thanks, had several Dos Equis XXs at lunch.  

I had trouble learning Bibble but needed software for developing raw
images on linux and at that time Bibble was probably as good as what was
available.  so I learned bibble.  Corel raped bibble so I changed horses. 
darktable was quite new and similar and was an easy adaption.

so far as being intuitive, dt was an easy learn from bibble.  afa my
experience, I am what I am and said what I feel.  I is singular and only
representative of my feelings.  I speak for no one except myself.

afa you being "professional", I have been paid for work and hired to work. 
I had the same job for 40+years and was "considered" a professional.  but
the definition of professional is quite liberal and does not really define
one.

have a nice day and moor beer(s).

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Re: Fwd: [darktable-dev] Pushing ISO (ISO invarience)

[Moritz Mœller]

And how are you representative as a user? What's the relevance of your 
experience in the context of what I said?


I have no problem with DT's UI but I'm a professional VFX artist and 
software engineer. My DT UX is zero representative for this reason and for 
the most obvious one: I'm just a single person. Sample size one.


Beers,

.mm

On March 2, 2019 17:03:45 Jason Polak  wrote:


Going to have to disagree with that, and I think at least some of it is
what you used first. I actually tried darktable before Lightroom and
just by clicking around I found darktable pretty intuitive. Trying to do
the same in Lightroom was confusing after that.

Jason

On 2/3/19 9:19 am, Moritz Mœller wrote:

I'm not surprised by the comment. DT's UI isn't intuitive.
If you are a person that learns a software by using it/trial & error
instead of reading the manual, your experience will be pretty unfavorable.

I haven't watched the video but from the comments here it seens it's
about features, not UX. So it's still unfair of them to not RTFM and
give DT a worse score thus.

.mm

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Re: Fwd: [darktable-dev] Pushing ISO (ISO invarience)

[Per Inge Oestmoen]

Patrick Shanahan wrote:


fwiw: all software has it's own ideal about what a user
expects one can seldom move from one application to another
similar w/o having to learn the new UI.  NONE is standard.


I tend to agree with this.

However, precisely because all are different good documentation is 
imperative. If documentation is available, all is well.


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Re: Fwd: [darktable-dev] Pushing ISO (ISO invarience)

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Jason Polak  [03-02-19 11:03]:
> Going to have to disagree with that, and I think at least some of it is
> what you used first. I actually tried darktable before Lightroom and
> just by clicking around I found darktable pretty intuitive. Trying to do
> the same in Lightroom was confusing after that.
> 
> Jason
> 
> On 2/3/19 9:19 am, Moritz Mœller wrote:
> > I'm not surprised by the comment. DT's UI isn't intuitive.
> > If you are a person that learns a software by using it/trial & error
> > instead of reading the manual, your experience will be pretty unfavorable.
> > 
> > I haven't watched the video but from the comments here it seens it's
> > about features, not UX. So it's still unfair of them to not RTFM and
> > give DT a worse score thus.

meee222

I moved to darktable from bibble5 and the interface seemed quite similar.

fwiw: all software has it's own ideal about what a user expects one can
seldom move from one application to another similar w/o having to learn
the new UI.  NONE is standard.

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[darktable-dev] [Lua API] Comment on Proposed Changes

[William Ferguson]

I've extended darktable.gui.libs.filter and added the sort, sort order,
rating, and rating comparator gui elements.

I've also extended darktable.gui.libs.lighttable_mode and added layout and
zoom level.

Each of these works in the following manner:

If you call them without an argument, i.e.
darktable.gui.libs.filter.sort(), then the current value is returned.
If you call them with an argument, i.e.
darktable.gui.libs.filter.sort("DT_COLLECTION_SORT_DATETIME), then the
change is made and nothing is returned.

My question is this.  Is the above acceptable or should I always return the
previous value?  If I didn't supply an argument, then it would just be the
current value.

My thought process is that I would query the elements and get the current
configuration.  I would change what I needed to get to the desired
configuration, then when I was done I would restore the items I changed to
set it back.

The alternative process is that I change everything to be what I need,
saving the previous values, then restore everything at the end.

Thoughts?

Thanks,

Bill

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Re: [darktable-dev] current git doesn't apply appropriate input color matrix at import

[Alexander Rabtchevich]

Hello

Is it intentionally made - there is no way now to apply custom camera 
color martix at import stage? There is no more editable settings for a 
color profile to apply it for particular camera. I use custom made 
profiles for my cameras and now I have to apply the profile manually to 
all imported images. Previous behavior made it automatically.


With respect,
Alexander Rabtchevich




Alexander Rabtchevich wrote:

Hello

Something has happened with latest commits - darktable stopped 
applying input color matrix that has correct "auto apply" properties.






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Re: Fwd: [darktable-dev] Pushing ISO (ISO invarience)

[Jason Polak]

Going to have to disagree with that, and I think at least some of it is
what you used first. I actually tried darktable before Lightroom and
just by clicking around I found darktable pretty intuitive. Trying to do
the same in Lightroom was confusing after that.

Jason

On 2/3/19 9:19 am, Moritz Mœller wrote:
> I'm not surprised by the comment. DT's UI isn't intuitive.
> If you are a person that learns a software by using it/trial & error
> instead of reading the manual, your experience will be pretty unfavorable.
> 
> I haven't watched the video but from the comments here it seens it's
> about features, not UX. So it's still unfair of them to not RTFM and
> give DT a worse score thus.
> 
> .mm
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Re: Fwd: [darktable-dev] Pushing ISO (ISO invarience)

[Moritz Mœller]

I'm not surprised by the comment. DT's UI isn't intuitive.
If you are a person that learns a software by using it/trial & error 
instead of reading the manual, your experience will be pretty unfavorable.


I haven't watched the video but from the comments here it seens it's about 
features, not UX. So it's still unfair of them to not RTFM and give DT a 
worse score thus.


.mm

On March 2, 2019 12:59:20 KOVÁCS István  wrote:


In the comments, they do mention using another instance of exposure.
However, since they gave darktable a total of 20 minutes (and did not
ask someone who has actually used it), they may have forgotten about
base curves, which also influence brightness.
---
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAb85TukSuc&lc=UgxTnhiCHnEOtEAsuRB4AaABAg
- they replied to this comment with:
Fstoppers: I have to say, using Darktable for 20 mins made me want to
completely remove it from this video. That programokay I can’t
even! -P
that being said, I was able to push it 3 stops and then add another
exposure instance and push that 1 stop so it should be the same result
as 4 stops. -P
---

Kofa


On Sat, 2 Mar 2019 at 11:51, Bernhard  wrote:


even more easy than that: right click and enter value manually ... :-)

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Bruce Williams schrieb am 02.03.19 um 11:37:

Yeah, but the numb nuts said "darktable could only give +3 stops of exposure".
Clearly, they did not know about the ability to instigate a second instead 
of a module.

I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.

Cheers,
Bruce Williams.

-- Forwarded message -
From: Andreas Schneider 
Date: Sat., 2 Mar. 2019, 21:23
Subject: [darktable-dev] Pushing ISO (ISO invarience)
To: darktable 


Hi,

there a video where they did take and underexposed image and then pushed the
exposure 4 EVs. darktable produced a darker image than the other raw
developers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAb85TukSuc


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Re: Fwd: [darktable-dev] Pushing ISO (ISO invarience)

[KOVÁCS István]

In the comments, they do mention using another instance of exposure.
However, since they gave darktable a total of 20 minutes (and did not
ask someone who has actually used it), they may have forgotten about
base curves, which also influence brightness.
---
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAb85TukSuc&lc=UgxTnhiCHnEOtEAsuRB4AaABAg
- they replied to this comment with:
Fstoppers: I have to say, using Darktable for 20 mins made me want to
completely remove it from this video. That programokay I can’t
even! -P
that being said, I was able to push it 3 stops and then add another
exposure instance and push that 1 stop so it should be the same result
as 4 stops. -P
---

Kofa


On Sat, 2 Mar 2019 at 11:51, Bernhard  wrote:
>
> even more easy than that: right click and enter value manually ... :-)
>
> --
>
> regards
> Bernhard
>
> https://www.bilddateien.de
>
> Bruce Williams schrieb am 02.03.19 um 11:37:
>
> Yeah, but the numb nuts said "darktable could only give +3 stops of exposure".
> Clearly, they did not know about the ability to instigate a second instead of 
> a module.
> I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.
>
> Cheers,
> Bruce Williams.
>
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: Andreas Schneider 
> Date: Sat., 2 Mar. 2019, 21:23
> Subject: [darktable-dev] Pushing ISO (ISO invarience)
> To: darktable 
>
>
> Hi,
>
> there a video where they did take and underexposed image and then pushed the
> exposure 4 EVs. darktable produced a darker image than the other raw
> developers.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAb85TukSuc
>
>
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Re: Fwd: [darktable-dev] Pushing ISO (ISO invarience)

[Bernhard]

even more easy than that: right click and enter value manually ... :-)

--

regards
Bernhard

https://www.bilddateien.de

Bruce Williams schrieb am 02.03.19 um 11:37:
Yeah, but the numb nuts said "darktable could only give +3 stops of 
exposure".
Clearly, they did not know about the ability to instigate a second 
instead of a module.

I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.

Cheers,
Bruce Williams.

-- Forwarded message -
From: *Andreas Schneider* mailto:a...@cryptomilk.org>>
Date: Sat., 2 Mar. 2019, 21:23
Subject: [darktable-dev] Pushing ISO (ISO invarience)
To: darktable >



Hi,

there a video where they did take and underexposed image and then 
pushed the

exposure 4 EVs. darktable produced a darker image than the other raw
developers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAb85TukSuc


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Fwd: [darktable-dev] Pushing ISO (ISO invarience)

[Bruce Williams]

Yeah, but the numb nuts said "darktable could only give +3 stops of
exposure".
Clearly, they did not know about the ability to instigate a second instead
of a module.
I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.

Cheers,
Bruce Williams.

-- Forwarded message -
From: Andreas Schneider 
Date: Sat., 2 Mar. 2019, 21:23
Subject: [darktable-dev] Pushing ISO (ISO invarience)
To: darktable 


Hi,

there a video where they did take and underexposed image and then pushed
the
exposure 4 EVs. darktable produced a darker image than the other raw
developers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAb85TukSuc


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[darktable-dev] Pushing ISO (ISO invarience)

[Andreas Schneider]

Hi,

there a video where they did take and underexposed image and then pushed the 
exposure 4 EVs. darktable produced a darker image than the other raw 
developers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAb85TukSuc


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