Re: [darktable-dev] OBS packages for xUbuntu

2023-01-05 Thread Bob Tregilus
On 1/5/23, Wiktor Nowak  wrote:
> Doing a fresh install of Ubuntu is self-sabotage. Please just try.
> Double check if Your backups are intact and let the update tool do the
> work for You. That's probably at least hours of configuration and
> customization effort saved.
>
> Any Ubuntu will read on display calibration profiles. If Your software
> will not be available some day You still can have a USB dongle with
> older Ubuntu specifically to perform the calibration process. So that
> issue doesn't need to hold You back from fresh OS.
>

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Thanks, Wiktor!

It only takes me ~90 minutes to do a fresh install. I kind of enjoy
the process. It forces me to clean up files and back stuff up. Kind of
like a spring house cleaning!

Good idea on the USB dongle, but it has been noted that someone picked
up the the displaycal project and updated it to py3. I just checked
synaptic and there it is. I've been using the .deb package from the
original author all this.

But it is a good trick to keep in mind, thanks!

Regards,
Bob

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Re: [darktable-dev] OBS packages for xUbuntu

2023-01-05 Thread Bob Tregilus
On 1/5/23, Bernhard  wrote:

> In latest Debian stable (bullseye) I have DisplayCal https://displaycal.net/
> installed from the Debian backport repo.
> https://packages.debian.org/bullseye-backports/displaycal
> It uses Python 3.9.2 and simply works as expected. This seems to be the
> latest dev repo: https://github.com/eoyilmaz/displaycal-py3
> And on Ubuntu there also seems to be a package:
> https://packages.ubuntu.com/kinetic/displaycal
>
> Not what I would consider "dead" at this moment.
> --
>
> regards
> Bernhard

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Thanks, Bernhard!

Bob

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Re: [darktable-dev] OBS packages for xUbuntu

2023-01-05 Thread Bernhard




Bob Tregilus schrieb am 05.01.23 um 02:38:

My biggest worry, however, is dispcalGUI being a dead project. I hope
it still works with xUbuntu 22.04.1? Guess I will find out. I need a
calibrated monitor. It will be a lot of work to figure out how to
calibrate from the command line with Argyll CMS.

In latest Debian stable (bullseye) I have DisplayCal https://displaycal.net/ 
installed from the Debian backport repo.
https://packages.debian.org/bullseye-backports/displaycal
It uses Python 3.9.2 and simply works as expected. This seems to be the latest 
dev repo: https://github.com/eoyilmaz/displaycal-py3
And on Ubuntu there also seems to be a package: 
https://packages.ubuntu.com/kinetic/displaycal

Not what I would consider "dead" at this moment.
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Re: [darktable-dev] OBS packages for xUbuntu

2023-01-05 Thread Wiktor Nowak
Doing a fresh install of Ubuntu is self-sabotage. Please just try. 
Double check if Your backups are intact and let the update tool do the 
work for You. That's probably at least hours of configuration and 
customization effort saved.


Any Ubuntu will read on display calibration profiles. If Your software 
will not be available some day You still can have a USB dongle with 
older Ubuntu specifically to perform the calibration process. So that 
issue doesn't need to hold You back from fresh OS.


W dniu 5.01.2023 o 02:38, Bob Tregilus pisze:
> Hi -
>
> My apologies for causing a kerfuffle.
>
> I am not a dev, just a user, albeit from SuSE 6.0.
>
> I did not understand why there were packages for newer unsupported
> xUbuntu versions and not for an older supported version. But now I
> know: dependencies.
>
> I always do fresh installs. I realize there are upgrade paths these
> days, but I'm old school, I guess.
>
> Therefore, with Mint, I wait for the version x.3 LTS before doing a
> fresh install.
>
> I'll just go ahead and install 21.1.
>
> My biggest worry, however, is dispcalGUI being a dead project. I hope
> it still works with xUbuntu 22.04.1? Guess I will find out. I need a
> calibrated monitor. It will be a lot of work to figure out how to
> calibrate from the command line with Argyll CMS.
>
> Thanks for enlightening an old dopey user.
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> On 1/4/23, Mica Semrick  wrote:
>> Can you not just be polite though? Do we want the default reply here 
to be

>> "gruff with loosely associated facts?"
>>
>> Essentially the question of "what happened to xxx package" was met 
with a
>> multi paragraph rant about LTS and Ubuntu and whatever. It didn't 
provide

>> the answer but instead veered off on it's own direction.
>>
>> Not a great way to start the new year, if I'm honest.
>>
>> -m
>>
>> On January 4, 2023 9:57:39 AM PST, "ja...@activimetrics.com"
>>  wrote:
>>> For what its worth, I read Matthias Andree's responses as perfectly
>>> reasonable.  Yes the words were not exceedingly polite, but the
>>> gruffness was backed with explanation.  I certainly did not read any
>>> ad hominem attacks.
>>>
>>> I was always of the opinion that if you stick with an LTS version of a
>>> distro, you are stuck with *exactly* what the distro decides is worthy
>>> of LTS support.
>>>
>>> Especially in this new world of flatpaks.
>>>
>>> For the record, I run slackware since forever, so building code from
>>> source as a package is something I have to do now and then.  I would
>>> never dream of asking the darktable devs to maintain a slackware
>>> SlackBuild, let alone an installable package.
>>>
>>> And when Mr. Volkerding and the inner slackware cabal decide that it
>>> is time to release a new version, one upgrades shortly thereafter.
>>>
>>> Regards, and back to lurking,
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 04, 2023 at 07:43:10AM -0800, Mica Semrick wrote:
 You're making a lot of assumptions here. Seems like you have some 
deeper
 issue than someone asking a simple question about support. Maybe a 
break

 from the computer is in order.

 Happy new year
 -m

 On January 4, 2023 7:33:59 AM PST, Matthias Andree
  wrote:
> Am 04.01.23 um 15:58 schrieb Mica Semrick:
>> This answer is a bit rude and doesn't answer the original query.
>
> It may be rude if you consider "who cares" rude, and prevents people
 >from wasting their time while pointing out the actual issue, which is
> "old distro" which is too old to build darktable 4.2.
>
>> There is an unmet dependency in Ubuntu 20.04 and the latest release
>> can no longer be built. See
>> 
https://discuss.pixls.us/t/what-happened-with-the-obs-builds/33588/2?u=darix 
for

>> more information.
>
> Thanks for mass-confirming what I was writing.
>
> And scared users in that thread posted in November 2022, 7 months 
after
> release, that they still considered Ubuntu "new", when 22.04.1 
was out
> and from-LTS-to-next-LTS upgrades had been enabled. Exactly the 
kind of

> support open-source maintainers want to be distracted with. I haven't
> even looked whether the OBS people are the same as the darktable
> people,
> but you'd think it best to move things forward rather than tying them
> up
> in the past.
>
> The thing is you can't have the cake and eat it, so everyone please
> stop
> pretending they could.
>
> Ubuntu 20.04 (code-named focal fossa) shipped darktable 3.0, and
> darktable being in the "universe" community-unmaintained package 
set...

> being stuck with older darktable is a choice that people made by NOT
> upgrading their Ubuntu LTS in the past three months.
> 
https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=focal&searchon=names&keywords=darktable

>
> And it's also either you choose a Ubuntu LTS distro and live with
> whatever unmaintained ("universe") package came with it, and be stuck
>

Re: [darktable-dev] OBS packages for xUbuntu

2023-01-05 Thread Bernhard




Jack Bowling schrieb am 05.01.23 um 06:25:

Not there is current dev work ongoing to enable darktable to be offered as an 
Appimage which will allow another option for older OS versions.

great news as this is standalone and uses standard conventions e. g. to save 
settings data of the app afaik.

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