Re: Fwd: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0
Hi folks, I integrated Bruce and Aurélien's comments to the PR, so from my perspective this is ready to go :) (If someone disagrees and has more comments, I'll be happy to modify as well, obviously :) ). Cheers! Isabelle On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 12:32 AM Bruce Williams wrote: > I've added a couple of minor grammatical tweaks. Nothing major. > :) > Cheers, > Bruce Williams > -- > Mobile: +61 41 250 6349 > > audio2u.com > brucewilliamsphotography.com > shuttersincpodcast.com > sinelanguagepodcast.com > > e-mail | Twitter <http://twitter.com/@audio2u> | > LinkedIn <http://au.linkedin.com/pub/bruce-williams/1/318/489> | Facebook > <http://www.facebook.com/audio2u> | Soundcloud > <http://www.soundcloud.com/audio2u> | Quora > <https://www.quora.com/profile/Bruce-Williams-5> > ------ > > > > > -- Forwarded message - > From: Isabelle Hurbain-Palatin > Date: Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 6:32 AM > Subject: Re: Fwd: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0 > To: Aurélien Pierre > Cc: Bruce Williams , darktable < > darktable-dev@lists.darktable.org> > > > Hi all, > I just opened a PR for the filmic rgb documentation: > https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/pull/3835 > @Aurélien: there's a few questions for you in there (prefixed with IHU in > the comments of the XML) - also, I hope I didn't deform your (great) input > too much :) > @Bruce: review of my french-tinted english more than welcome :) > > Cheers! > Isabelle > > On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 10:33 PM Isabelle Hurbain-Palatin < > isabe...@palatin.fr> wrote: > >> Hi folks, >> the week has been busier than expected, but I'm not working on monday, >> and I expect to have a better idea by Monday evening. A priori, unless >> there's a large surprise, I should be able to ask for a PR by the end of >> next week for filmic RGB, including reorganization to fit with filmic 2.6. >> Aurélien: your content is very clear and very well structured - I wish I >> were always dealing with source material of that quality! >> Cheers, >> Isabelle >> >> On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 9:55 PM Isabelle Hurbain-Palatin < >> isabe...@palatin.fr> wrote: >> >>> Hi Aurélien, >>> Yup, the arrangement is still on - it's a bit of the "silly part of the >>> year", so time may be more tight than I'd like, but it should work out. >>> I'll have a look at what you have already and I'll come back to you and >>> Bruce with what I feel is feasible on my end in the next week or so. >>> Cheers, >>> Isabelle >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 7:37 PM Aurélien Pierre < >>> rese...@aurelienpierre.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello Isabelle and William and everyone, >>>> >>>> is this arrangement still on ? I have started emptying my brain here >>>> (in English) : >>>> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4EYo8VotTsiZLr3BqGeBRj-qYGO63bIv >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Aurélien. >>>> >>>> PS : Yes I'm French :-) >>>> Le 18/08/2019 à 11:17, Isabelle Hurbain-Palatin a écrit : >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> If there's an easy way to split the work and to share it, I'd be more >>>> than happy to help - it's more than time I start contributing to the >>>> awesomeness that is Darktable, and I do have a fair amount of experience >>>> writing doc (although English is not my native language, so English >>>> proofreading would be required). Videos explaining what's new and how it >>>> works would be tremendously helpful! (this is mostly how I work when I >>>> write our software documentation these days at work...). I'm assuming >>>> individual module documentation at least can be delegated individually. >>>> @Aurélien - considering your name, I'm assuming you're a native French >>>> speaker - if the work is divided beforehand and it's easier for you, you >>>> could provide info in French to me as well. >>>> Best regards, >>>> Isabelle >>>> >>>> On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 11:06 AM Aurélien Pierre < >>>> rese...@aurelienpierre.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> for last 2.6 version, it took me a full-time week to write the doc for >>>>> 3 modules, trying to accurately describe how the
Re: Fwd: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0
Hi all, I just opened a PR for the filmic rgb documentation: https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/pull/3835 @Aurélien: there's a few questions for you in there (prefixed with IHU in the comments of the XML) - also, I hope I didn't deform your (great) input too much :) @Bruce: review of my french-tinted english more than welcome :) Cheers! Isabelle On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 10:33 PM Isabelle Hurbain-Palatin < isabe...@palatin.fr> wrote: > Hi folks, > the week has been busier than expected, but I'm not working on monday, and > I expect to have a better idea by Monday evening. A priori, unless there's > a large surprise, I should be able to ask for a PR by the end of next week > for filmic RGB, including reorganization to fit with filmic 2.6. > Aurélien: your content is very clear and very well structured - I wish I > were always dealing with source material of that quality! > Cheers, > Isabelle > > On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 9:55 PM Isabelle Hurbain-Palatin < > isabe...@palatin.fr> wrote: > >> Hi Aurélien, >> Yup, the arrangement is still on - it's a bit of the "silly part of the >> year", so time may be more tight than I'd like, but it should work out. >> I'll have a look at what you have already and I'll come back to you and >> Bruce with what I feel is feasible on my end in the next week or so. >> Cheers, >> Isabelle >> >> On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 7:37 PM Aurélien Pierre < >> rese...@aurelienpierre.com> wrote: >> >>> Hello Isabelle and William and everyone, >>> >>> is this arrangement still on ? I have started emptying my brain here (in >>> English) : >>> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4EYo8VotTsiZLr3BqGeBRj-qYGO63bIv >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Aurélien. >>> >>> PS : Yes I'm French :-) >>> Le 18/08/2019 à 11:17, Isabelle Hurbain-Palatin a écrit : >>> >>> Hi all, >>> If there's an easy way to split the work and to share it, I'd be more >>> than happy to help - it's more than time I start contributing to the >>> awesomeness that is Darktable, and I do have a fair amount of experience >>> writing doc (although English is not my native language, so English >>> proofreading would be required). Videos explaining what's new and how it >>> works would be tremendously helpful! (this is mostly how I work when I >>> write our software documentation these days at work...). I'm assuming >>> individual module documentation at least can be delegated individually. >>> @Aurélien - considering your name, I'm assuming you're a native French >>> speaker - if the work is divided beforehand and it's easier for you, you >>> could provide info in French to me as well. >>> Best regards, >>> Isabelle >>> >>> On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 11:06 AM Aurélien Pierre < >>> rese...@aurelienpierre.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> for last 2.6 version, it took me a full-time week to write the doc for >>>> 3 modules, trying to accurately describe how they worked in a vulgarized >>>> way, in my 3rd language. Instead, will it be helpful if I recorded videos >>>> showing what's new and how it works (possibly in a disorganized/non-linear >>>> order), and let you put the information in shape for a documentation ? Not >>>> that I want to give you the bad job, but I might be more useful on the >>>> debugging team, as the release approaches. I'm still happy to do >>>> proof-reading. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Aurélien. >>>> Le 18/08/2019 à 06:34, Bruce Williams a écrit : >>>> >>>> Thanks, I'll check it out! >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Bruce Williams. >>>> >>>> -- Forwarded message - >>>> From: Ariel Kanterewicz >>>> Date: Sun., 18 Aug. 2019, 09:06 >>>> Subject: Re: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0 >>>> To: darktable >>>> >>>> >>>> @Bruce: if you're willing to pay for it, there's a *really* nice git >>>> course on pluralsight, it's the best intro to the topic I've found yet: >>>> https://app.pluralsight.com/library/courses/how-git-works/ >>>> >>>> I'm excited to see the feature list in the new release, especially the >>>> Culling mode :-D >>>> >>>> On Sat, 17 Aug 20
Re: Fwd: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0
Hi folks, the week has been busier than expected, but I'm not working on monday, and I expect to have a better idea by Monday evening. A priori, unless there's a large surprise, I should be able to ask for a PR by the end of next week for filmic RGB, including reorganization to fit with filmic 2.6. Aurélien: your content is very clear and very well structured - I wish I were always dealing with source material of that quality! Cheers, Isabelle On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 9:55 PM Isabelle Hurbain-Palatin wrote: > Hi Aurélien, > Yup, the arrangement is still on - it's a bit of the "silly part of the > year", so time may be more tight than I'd like, but it should work out. > I'll have a look at what you have already and I'll come back to you and > Bruce with what I feel is feasible on my end in the next week or so. > Cheers, > Isabelle > > On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 7:37 PM Aurélien Pierre > wrote: > >> Hello Isabelle and William and everyone, >> >> is this arrangement still on ? I have started emptying my brain here (in >> English) : >> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4EYo8VotTsiZLr3BqGeBRj-qYGO63bIv >> >> Thanks, >> >> Aurélien. >> >> PS : Yes I'm French :-) >> Le 18/08/2019 à 11:17, Isabelle Hurbain-Palatin a écrit : >> >> Hi all, >> If there's an easy way to split the work and to share it, I'd be more >> than happy to help - it's more than time I start contributing to the >> awesomeness that is Darktable, and I do have a fair amount of experience >> writing doc (although English is not my native language, so English >> proofreading would be required). Videos explaining what's new and how it >> works would be tremendously helpful! (this is mostly how I work when I >> write our software documentation these days at work...). I'm assuming >> individual module documentation at least can be delegated individually. >> @Aurélien - considering your name, I'm assuming you're a native French >> speaker - if the work is divided beforehand and it's easier for you, you >> could provide info in French to me as well. >> Best regards, >> Isabelle >> >> On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 11:06 AM Aurélien Pierre < >> rese...@aurelienpierre.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> for last 2.6 version, it took me a full-time week to write the doc for 3 >>> modules, trying to accurately describe how they worked in a vulgarized way, >>> in my 3rd language. Instead, will it be helpful if I recorded videos >>> showing what's new and how it works (possibly in a disorganized/non-linear >>> order), and let you put the information in shape for a documentation ? Not >>> that I want to give you the bad job, but I might be more useful on the >>> debugging team, as the release approaches. I'm still happy to do >>> proof-reading. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Aurélien. >>> Le 18/08/2019 à 06:34, Bruce Williams a écrit : >>> >>> Thanks, I'll check it out! >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Bruce Williams. >>> >>> -- Forwarded message - >>> From: Ariel Kanterewicz >>> Date: Sun., 18 Aug. 2019, 09:06 >>> Subject: Re: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0 >>> To: darktable >>> >>> >>> @Bruce: if you're willing to pay for it, there's a *really* nice git >>> course on pluralsight, it's the best intro to the topic I've found yet: >>> https://app.pluralsight.com/library/courses/how-git-works/ >>> >>> I'm excited to see the feature list in the new release, especially the >>> Culling mode :-D >>> >>> On Sat, 17 Aug 2019 at 22:38, Bruce Williams wrote: >>> >>>> I will certainly do what I can. >>>> As yet, I have not delved into the world of github, pull requests, >>>> merges, and so forth. >>>> Nor compiling! >>>> But when I get home from holiday (another 8 days), that is on my list >>>> of things to get up to speed on. 😃 >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Bruce Williams. >>>> >>>> -- Forwarded message - >>>> From: Ulrich Pegelow >>>> Date: Sun., 18 Aug. 2019, 01:31 >>>> Subject: Re: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0 >>>> To: >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> frankly speaking I am still using the 2.6 branch and have no experience >>>> o
Re: Fwd: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0
Hi Aurélien, Yup, the arrangement is still on - it's a bit of the "silly part of the year", so time may be more tight than I'd like, but it should work out. I'll have a look at what you have already and I'll come back to you and Bruce with what I feel is feasible on my end in the next week or so. Cheers, Isabelle On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 7:37 PM Aurélien Pierre wrote: > Hello Isabelle and William and everyone, > > is this arrangement still on ? I have started emptying my brain here (in > English) : > https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4EYo8VotTsiZLr3BqGeBRj-qYGO63bIv > > Thanks, > > Aurélien. > > PS : Yes I'm French :-) > Le 18/08/2019 à 11:17, Isabelle Hurbain-Palatin a écrit : > > Hi all, > If there's an easy way to split the work and to share it, I'd be more > than happy to help - it's more than time I start contributing to the > awesomeness that is Darktable, and I do have a fair amount of experience > writing doc (although English is not my native language, so English > proofreading would be required). Videos explaining what's new and how it > works would be tremendously helpful! (this is mostly how I work when I > write our software documentation these days at work...). I'm assuming > individual module documentation at least can be delegated individually. > @Aurélien - considering your name, I'm assuming you're a native French > speaker - if the work is divided beforehand and it's easier for you, you > could provide info in French to me as well. > Best regards, > Isabelle > > On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 11:06 AM Aurélien Pierre < > rese...@aurelienpierre.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> for last 2.6 version, it took me a full-time week to write the doc for 3 >> modules, trying to accurately describe how they worked in a vulgarized way, >> in my 3rd language. Instead, will it be helpful if I recorded videos >> showing what's new and how it works (possibly in a disorganized/non-linear >> order), and let you put the information in shape for a documentation ? Not >> that I want to give you the bad job, but I might be more useful on the >> debugging team, as the release approaches. I'm still happy to do >> proof-reading. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Aurélien. >> Le 18/08/2019 à 06:34, Bruce Williams a écrit : >> >> Thanks, I'll check it out! >> >> Cheers, >> Bruce Williams. >> >> -- Forwarded message - >> From: Ariel Kanterewicz >> Date: Sun., 18 Aug. 2019, 09:06 >> Subject: Re: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0 >> To: darktable >> >> >> @Bruce: if you're willing to pay for it, there's a *really* nice git >> course on pluralsight, it's the best intro to the topic I've found yet: >> https://app.pluralsight.com/library/courses/how-git-works/ >> >> I'm excited to see the feature list in the new release, especially the >> Culling mode :-D >> >> On Sat, 17 Aug 2019 at 22:38, Bruce Williams wrote: >> >>> I will certainly do what I can. >>> As yet, I have not delved into the world of github, pull requests, >>> merges, and so forth. >>> Nor compiling! >>> But when I get home from holiday (another 8 days), that is on my list of >>> things to get up to speed on. 😃 >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Bruce Williams. >>> >>> -- Forwarded message - >>> From: Ulrich Pegelow >>> Date: Sun., 18 Aug. 2019, 01:31 >>> Subject: Re: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0 >>> To: >>> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> frankly speaking I am still using the 2.6 branch and have no experience >>> of any of the 2.7 features at all. I would be happy if someone closer to >>> the recent development (Bruce?) could take over the manual. >>> >>> Best wishes >>> >>> Ulrich >>> >>> Am 13.08.19 um 17:42 schrieb Pascal Obry: >>> > >>> > Hi Matthieu, >>> > >>> > I fully agree here. I'm not the maintainer of the documentation so I >>> > cannot speak for Ulrich. >>> > >>> > That being said, I can certainly ping developers to start a draft of >>> > the code they have introduced in dt 3.0. >>> > >>> > I have noted that Bruce will be happy to help doing the preparation of >>> > the documentation from draft to final version. That's really nice, >>> > thanks Bruce for stepping in! >>> > >>> > So l
Re: Fwd: [darktable-dev] Standardization of the writing of mouse interactions in the user manual
> > > I think for consistency's sake, the idea of a group of commands looking > like this > > *Ctrl+A* > *Shift+L* > *Ctrl+(right click)* > *Alt+(scroll wheel)* > > makes more sense than > > *Ctrl+A* > *Shift+L* > *press/hold the Ctrl key and right click* > press/hold the Alt key and scroll the mouse wheel > I agree with that, and I have some more arguments in favor on top of consistency :) * Microsoft says: "Don't combine keyboard and mouse actions as if they were keyboard shortcuts unless space is limited. For example, don't use Shift+click. Instead, use Select Shift while clicking ….". I tend to disagree, because to me these ARE shortcuts, and I feel that "Shift+click" instead of "Press shift while clicking" is more readable both for people who don't care about the shortcut (can be skipped more easily) and for people who do care about the shortcut (it is presented as a "single unit" instead of something that needs to be explicitly parsed). Admittedly, I do not know how this reads for people who do not have a certain amount of "computer fluency", which would be my concern (and which probably is Microsoft's). I would assume that people without that amount of computer fluency is not necessarily the target of Darktable anyway :) * From a "documentation writing" perspective, it does feel harder to me a priori to go for the sentence without having things getting cumbersome, especially if the sentence is already convoluted (which shouldn't happen, but, well, nobody's perfect :) ). And "rotate the wheel", in particular, feels very unnatural to me. This is however a gut feeling issue, and from a non-native speaker as well, so it may not be shared. (And I'm right now trying to think of the French translation of such a turn of phrase... "appuyer sur shift en faisant tourner la molette"? h. Shift+molette is vastly preferable in my opinion.) * If these mouse shortcuts are ever displayed in the UI, I'd definitely expect "ctrl+click" or the like, and not a full sentence - and it would feel natural to me to have consistency there as well. Cheers, Isabelle ___ darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: Fwd: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0
Hi all, If there's an easy way to split the work and to share it, I'd be more than happy to help - it's more than time I start contributing to the awesomeness that is Darktable, and I do have a fair amount of experience writing doc (although English is not my native language, so English proofreading would be required). Videos explaining what's new and how it works would be tremendously helpful! (this is mostly how I work when I write our software documentation these days at work...). I'm assuming individual module documentation at least can be delegated individually. @Aurélien - considering your name, I'm assuming you're a native French speaker - if the work is divided beforehand and it's easier for you, you could provide info in French to me as well. Best regards, Isabelle On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 11:06 AM Aurélien Pierre wrote: > Hi, > > for last 2.6 version, it took me a full-time week to write the doc for 3 > modules, trying to accurately describe how they worked in a vulgarized way, > in my 3rd language. Instead, will it be helpful if I recorded videos > showing what's new and how it works (possibly in a disorganized/non-linear > order), and let you put the information in shape for a documentation ? Not > that I want to give you the bad job, but I might be more useful on the > debugging team, as the release approaches. I'm still happy to do > proof-reading. > > Cheers, > > Aurélien. > Le 18/08/2019 à 06:34, Bruce Williams a écrit : > > Thanks, I'll check it out! > > Cheers, > Bruce Williams. > > -- Forwarded message - > From: Ariel Kanterewicz > Date: Sun., 18 Aug. 2019, 09:06 > Subject: Re: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0 > To: darktable > > > @Bruce: if you're willing to pay for it, there's a *really* nice git > course on pluralsight, it's the best intro to the topic I've found yet: > https://app.pluralsight.com/library/courses/how-git-works/ > > I'm excited to see the feature list in the new release, especially the > Culling mode :-D > > On Sat, 17 Aug 2019 at 22:38, Bruce Williams wrote: > >> I will certainly do what I can. >> As yet, I have not delved into the world of github, pull requests, >> merges, and so forth. >> Nor compiling! >> But when I get home from holiday (another 8 days), that is on my list of >> things to get up to speed on. 😃 >> >> Cheers, >> Bruce Williams. >> >> -- Forwarded message - >> From: Ulrich Pegelow >> Date: Sun., 18 Aug. 2019, 01:31 >> Subject: Re: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0 >> To: >> >> >> Hi, >> >> frankly speaking I am still using the 2.6 branch and have no experience >> of any of the 2.7 features at all. I would be happy if someone closer to >> the recent development (Bruce?) could take over the manual. >> >> Best wishes >> >> Ulrich >> >> Am 13.08.19 um 17:42 schrieb Pascal Obry: >> > >> > Hi Matthieu, >> > >> > I fully agree here. I'm not the maintainer of the documentation so I >> > cannot speak for Ulrich. >> > >> > That being said, I can certainly ping developers to start a draft of >> > the code they have introduced in dt 3.0. >> > >> > I have noted that Bruce will be happy to help doing the preparation of >> > the documentation from draft to final version. That's really nice, >> > thanks Bruce for stepping in! >> > >> > So let's try to achieve that, we'll see how it works. >> > >> > Cheers, >> > >> >> >> ___ >> darktable developer mailing list >> to unsubscribe send a mail to >> darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org >> >> >> ___ >> darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to >> darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org >> > > > -- > Ariel Kanterewicz > http://aknt.com.ar > > ___ > darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > ___ > darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > ___ > darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > ___ darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
