Re: [darktable-dev] Module ordering and icons

[Dominik Markiewicz]

Hi Johannes,
No, about module list preset. The one you can create under the list of IOP,
on left to the `more modules`, you can see on the screenshot :)

BR,
Dominik

sob., 2 gru 2017 o 19:11 użytkownik johannes hanika 
napisał:

> heya,
>
> On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 1:12 AM, Dominik Markiewicz 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> Small tip from my side. It's not perfect (yet! :) but it speedup my
>> processing a bit.
>>
>> I've split my workflow for a few steps. For each step I've select a few
>> modules I'm using 99% of the time. Then I've selected them as a favorite
>> modules and I've created modules preset. I've add number as a  prefix of
>> preset name to preserve order.
>>
>> This way, I reduce my list to a few modules for given usecase (basic
>> cleanup, exposure correction, color grading, dodge & burn, denoise etc).  I
>> also don't need to switch between tabs, I'm always on `favorites` one.
>>
>> I'm aware of fixed pipline and the consequences, both performance and
>> graphical one. But both are simply not a problem in most of cases if you
>> know what you do and you hardware is good enough.
>>
>> P.S. There is one annoying (for me) behaviour: when you switch preset, it
>> always change tab to the one where last enabled module is assigned. I've
>> patched this for myself to just not change tab at all...
>>
>
> interesting. you talking about a style (i.e. dtstyle file equivalent) or a
> preset (which applies only to a single module)?
>
> cheers,
>  jo
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> sob., 2 gru 2017 o 10:17 użytkownik Jørn Villesen Christensen <
>> darktable-...@mettle.dk> napisał:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> There is a "more module" section at the bottom of the pane that I always
>>> go to when I cannot find the module I'm looking for. Here, they are in
>>> alphabetical order.
>>>
>>> ~Jørn
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2017-11-30 20:16, Colin Adams wrote:
>>> > It used to happen to me at first. But after a little while, I had
>>> marked
>>> > as favourites the modules I use, so then it is easy to find them.
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 at 19:14 Daniele De Felice
>>> > >> >>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Maybe it's just me that I have trouble finding the module I am
>>> > looking for.
>>> > If this does not happen to any of you... :)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 30/11/2017 18:27, Timothy Spear wrote:
>>> >> I am not a developer on dt. However, I think the order makes
>>> >> perfect sense.
>>> >> Here is why, if you apply the edits out of the order they are
>>> >> applied to the image, you end up potentially having to reapply a
>>> >> specific edit.
>>> >> I see this issue all the time on LightRoom forums where people are
>>> >> not applying the edits in the order the software was designed. And
>>> >> then the user is left trying to figure out the unintended effects.
>>> >> The one comment I will say is, I wish the user manual was included
>>> >> somehow on the installation (Windows user). There have been times
>>> >> where I am not connected to the net and I am playing with dt and
>>> >> need to figure something out...
>>> >>
>>> >> Tim
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:19 PM, Daniele De Felice
>>> >> >> >> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Ok, thank you for your answer.
>>> >> I get that this makes sense from a developer/poweruser point
>>> >> of view.
>>> >> But, from a end-user point of view, as a feedback on my side,
>>> >> is very difficult to find any particular module since the
>>> >> order has no meaningful appearance.
>>> >>
>>> >> For example, let's say that I am looking for the Equalizer
>>> >> module (by the way, I love this module).
>>> >>
>>> >> There is no way for me to understand that I will find it
>>> >> between the "Local contrast" and "Shadows and highlights"
>>> >> modules :)
>>> >>
>>> >> (warning: maybe original english name are slightly different)
>>> >>
>>> >> Would be easier if I could list modules in alphabetical order.
>>> >> I don't mean that this should reflect on actual application of
>>> >> the modules, just in the way that modules are displayed.
>>> >>
>>> >> This being said, thank you anyway for the great software and
>>> >> for the Linux support.
>>> >> Daniele
>>> >>
>>> >> On 30/11/2017 17:38, Maurizio Paglia wrote:
>>> >>> Ciao Daniele,
>>> >>> modules are listed in the same order the software uses to
>>> >>> apply them.
>>> >>> You can find this explanation in the user manual.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> A feature allowing users to re-arrange module list in order
>>> >>> to be more comfortable with everyone own forkflow has been
>>> >>> requested (I did that too) but 

Re: [darktable-dev] Module ordering and icons

[johannes hanika]

heya,

On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 1:12 AM, Dominik Markiewicz 
wrote:

> Hi,
> Small tip from my side. It's not perfect (yet! :) but it speedup my
> processing a bit.
>
> I've split my workflow for a few steps. For each step I've select a few
> modules I'm using 99% of the time. Then I've selected them as a favorite
> modules and I've created modules preset. I've add number as a  prefix of
> preset name to preserve order.
>
> This way, I reduce my list to a few modules for given usecase (basic
> cleanup, exposure correction, color grading, dodge & burn, denoise etc).  I
> also don't need to switch between tabs, I'm always on `favorites` one.
>
> I'm aware of fixed pipline and the consequences, both performance and
> graphical one. But both are simply not a problem in most of cases if you
> know what you do and you hardware is good enough.
>
> P.S. There is one annoying (for me) behaviour: when you switch preset, it
> always change tab to the one where last enabled module is assigned. I've
> patched this for myself to just not change tab at all...
>

interesting. you talking about a style (i.e. dtstyle file equivalent) or a
preset (which applies only to a single module)?

cheers,
 jo


>
>
>
>
> sob., 2 gru 2017 o 10:17 użytkownik Jørn Villesen Christensen <
> darktable-...@mettle.dk> napisał:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> There is a "more module" section at the bottom of the pane that I always
>> go to when I cannot find the module I'm looking for. Here, they are in
>> alphabetical order.
>>
>> ~Jørn
>>
>>
>> On 2017-11-30 20:16, Colin Adams wrote:
>> > It used to happen to me at first. But after a little while, I had marked
>> > as favourites the modules I use, so then it is easy to find them.
>> >
>> > On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 at 19:14 Daniele De Felice
>> > > >>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Maybe it's just me that I have trouble finding the module I am
>> > looking for.
>> > If this does not happen to any of you... :)
>> >
>> >
>> > On 30/11/2017 18:27, Timothy Spear wrote:
>> >> I am not a developer on dt. However, I think the order makes
>> >> perfect sense.
>> >> Here is why, if you apply the edits out of the order they are
>> >> applied to the image, you end up potentially having to reapply a
>> >> specific edit.
>> >> I see this issue all the time on LightRoom forums where people are
>> >> not applying the edits in the order the software was designed. And
>> >> then the user is left trying to figure out the unintended effects.
>> >> The one comment I will say is, I wish the user manual was included
>> >> somehow on the installation (Windows user). There have been times
>> >> where I am not connected to the net and I am playing with dt and
>> >> need to figure something out...
>> >>
>> >> Tim
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:19 PM, Daniele De Felice
>> >> > >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Ok, thank you for your answer.
>> >> I get that this makes sense from a developer/poweruser point
>> >> of view.
>> >> But, from a end-user point of view, as a feedback on my side,
>> >> is very difficult to find any particular module since the
>> >> order has no meaningful appearance.
>> >>
>> >> For example, let's say that I am looking for the Equalizer
>> >> module (by the way, I love this module).
>> >>
>> >> There is no way for me to understand that I will find it
>> >> between the "Local contrast" and "Shadows and highlights"
>> >> modules :)
>> >>
>> >> (warning: maybe original english name are slightly different)
>> >>
>> >> Would be easier if I could list modules in alphabetical order.
>> >> I don't mean that this should reflect on actual application of
>> >> the modules, just in the way that modules are displayed.
>> >>
>> >> This being said, thank you anyway for the great software and
>> >> for the Linux support.
>> >> Daniele
>> >>
>> >> On 30/11/2017 17:38, Maurizio Paglia wrote:
>> >>> Ciao Daniele,
>> >>> modules are listed in the same order the software uses to
>> >>> apply them.
>> >>> You can find this explanation in the user manual.
>> >>>
>> >>> A feature allowing users to re-arrange module list in order
>> >>> to be more comfortable with everyone own forkflow has been
>> >>> requested (I did that too) but developers seem to be not
>> >>> convinced.
>> >>>
>> >>> Maurizio
>> >>>
>> >>> 2017-11-30 17:30 GMT+01:00 Daniele De Felice
>> >>> > >>> >:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi guys,
>> >>>
>> >>> sorry for writing here but I cannot find any official
>> >>> 

Re: [darktable-dev] Module ordering and icons

[Maurizio Paglia]

Ciao Dominik, this is really interesting! I will give it a try. Thank you
Maurizio

Il 2 dic 2017 13:13, "Dominik Markiewicz"  ha scritto:

Hi,
Small tip from my side. It's not perfect (yet! :) but it speedup my
processing a bit.

I've split my workflow for a few steps. For each step I've select a few
modules I'm using 99% of the time. Then I've selected them as a favorite
modules and I've created modules preset. I've add number as a  prefix of
preset name to preserve order.

This way, I reduce my list to a few modules for given usecase (basic
cleanup, exposure correction, color grading, dodge & burn, denoise etc).  I
also don't need to switch between tabs, I'm always on `favorites` one.

I'm aware of fixed pipline and the consequences, both performance and
graphical one. But both are simply not a problem in most of cases if you
know what you do and you hardware is good enough.

P.S. There is one annoying (for me) behaviour: when you switch preset, it
always change tab to the one where last enabled module is assigned. I've
patched this for myself to just not change tab at all...

 [image: Screenshot_20171202_123744.png]


sob., 2 gru 2017 o 10:17 użytkownik Jørn Villesen Christensen <
darktable-...@mettle.dk> napisał:

> Hi,
>
> There is a "more module" section at the bottom of the pane that I always
> go to when I cannot find the module I'm looking for. Here, they are in
> alphabetical order.
>
> ~Jørn
>
>
> On 2017-11-30 20:16, Colin Adams wrote:
> > It used to happen to me at first. But after a little while, I had marked
> > as favourites the modules I use, so then it is easy to find them.
> >
> > On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 at 19:14 Daniele De Felice
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > Maybe it's just me that I have trouble finding the module I am
> > looking for.
> > If this does not happen to any of you... :)
> >
> >
> > On 30/11/2017 18:27, Timothy Spear wrote:
> >> I am not a developer on dt. However, I think the order makes
> >> perfect sense.
> >> Here is why, if you apply the edits out of the order they are
> >> applied to the image, you end up potentially having to reapply a
> >> specific edit.
> >> I see this issue all the time on LightRoom forums where people are
> >> not applying the edits in the order the software was designed. And
> >> then the user is left trying to figure out the unintended effects.
> >> The one comment I will say is, I wish the user manual was included
> >> somehow on the installation (Windows user). There have been times
> >> where I am not connected to the net and I am playing with dt and
> >> need to figure something out...
> >>
> >> Tim
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:19 PM, Daniele De Felice
> >>  >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Ok, thank you for your answer.
> >> I get that this makes sense from a developer/poweruser point
> >> of view.
> >> But, from a end-user point of view, as a feedback on my side,
> >> is very difficult to find any particular module since the
> >> order has no meaningful appearance.
> >>
> >> For example, let's say that I am looking for the Equalizer
> >> module (by the way, I love this module).
> >>
> >> There is no way for me to understand that I will find it
> >> between the "Local contrast" and "Shadows and highlights"
> >> modules :)
> >>
> >> (warning: maybe original english name are slightly different)
> >>
> >> Would be easier if I could list modules in alphabetical order.
> >> I don't mean that this should reflect on actual application of
> >> the modules, just in the way that modules are displayed.
> >>
> >> This being said, thank you anyway for the great software and
> >> for the Linux support.
> >> Daniele
> >>
> >> On 30/11/2017 17:38, Maurizio Paglia wrote:
> >>> Ciao Daniele,
> >>> modules are listed in the same order the software uses to
> >>> apply them.
> >>> You can find this explanation in the user manual.
> >>>
> >>> A feature allowing users to re-arrange module list in order
> >>> to be more comfortable with everyone own forkflow has been
> >>> requested (I did that too) but developers seem to be not
> >>> convinced.
> >>>
> >>> Maurizio
> >>>
> >>> 2017-11-30 17:30 GMT+01:00 Daniele De Felice
> >>>  >>> >:
> >>>
> >>> Hi guys,
> >>>
> >>> sorry for writing here but I cannot find any official
> >>> forum or equivalent.
> >>>
> >>> I *love* the software but cannot find a way to better
> >>> arrange the modules.
> >>>
> >>>

Re: [darktable-dev] Module ordering and icons

[Dominik Markiewicz]

Hi,
Small tip from my side. It's not perfect (yet! :) but it speedup my
processing a bit.

I've split my workflow for a few steps. For each step I've select a few
modules I'm using 99% of the time. Then I've selected them as a favorite
modules and I've created modules preset. I've add number as a  prefix of
preset name to preserve order.

This way, I reduce my list to a few modules for given usecase (basic
cleanup, exposure correction, color grading, dodge & burn, denoise etc).  I
also don't need to switch between tabs, I'm always on `favorites` one.

I'm aware of fixed pipline and the consequences, both performance and
graphical one. But both are simply not a problem in most of cases if you
know what you do and you hardware is good enough.

P.S. There is one annoying (for me) behaviour: when you switch preset, it
always change tab to the one where last enabled module is assigned. I've
patched this for myself to just not change tab at all...

 [image: Screenshot_20171202_123744.png]


sob., 2 gru 2017 o 10:17 użytkownik Jørn Villesen Christensen <
darktable-...@mettle.dk> napisał:

> Hi,
>
> There is a "more module" section at the bottom of the pane that I always
> go to when I cannot find the module I'm looking for. Here, they are in
> alphabetical order.
>
> ~Jørn
>
>
> On 2017-11-30 20:16, Colin Adams wrote:
> > It used to happen to me at first. But after a little while, I had marked
> > as favourites the modules I use, so then it is easy to find them.
> >
> > On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 at 19:14 Daniele De Felice
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > Maybe it's just me that I have trouble finding the module I am
> > looking for.
> > If this does not happen to any of you... :)
> >
> >
> > On 30/11/2017 18:27, Timothy Spear wrote:
> >> I am not a developer on dt. However, I think the order makes
> >> perfect sense.
> >> Here is why, if you apply the edits out of the order they are
> >> applied to the image, you end up potentially having to reapply a
> >> specific edit.
> >> I see this issue all the time on LightRoom forums where people are
> >> not applying the edits in the order the software was designed. And
> >> then the user is left trying to figure out the unintended effects.
> >> The one comment I will say is, I wish the user manual was included
> >> somehow on the installation (Windows user). There have been times
> >> where I am not connected to the net and I am playing with dt and
> >> need to figure something out...
> >>
> >> Tim
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:19 PM, Daniele De Felice
> >>  >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Ok, thank you for your answer.
> >> I get that this makes sense from a developer/poweruser point
> >> of view.
> >> But, from a end-user point of view, as a feedback on my side,
> >> is very difficult to find any particular module since the
> >> order has no meaningful appearance.
> >>
> >> For example, let's say that I am looking for the Equalizer
> >> module (by the way, I love this module).
> >>
> >> There is no way for me to understand that I will find it
> >> between the "Local contrast" and "Shadows and highlights"
> >> modules :)
> >>
> >> (warning: maybe original english name are slightly different)
> >>
> >> Would be easier if I could list modules in alphabetical order.
> >> I don't mean that this should reflect on actual application of
> >> the modules, just in the way that modules are displayed.
> >>
> >> This being said, thank you anyway for the great software and
> >> for the Linux support.
> >> Daniele
> >>
> >> On 30/11/2017 17:38, Maurizio Paglia wrote:
> >>> Ciao Daniele,
> >>> modules are listed in the same order the software uses to
> >>> apply them.
> >>> You can find this explanation in the user manual.
> >>>
> >>> A feature allowing users to re-arrange module list in order
> >>> to be more comfortable with everyone own forkflow has been
> >>> requested (I did that too) but developers seem to be not
> >>> convinced.
> >>>
> >>> Maurizio
> >>>
> >>> 2017-11-30 17:30 GMT+01:00 Daniele De Felice
> >>>  >>> >:
> >>>
> >>> Hi guys,
> >>>
> >>> sorry for writing here but I cannot find any official
> >>> forum or equivalent.
> >>>
> >>> I *love* the software but cannot find a way to better
> >>> arrange the modules.
> >>>
> >>> The modules on the right panels are in no particular order:
> >>>
> >>> The icons are very similar, the order is *not*
> >>> 

Re: [darktable-dev] Module ordering and icons

[Jørn Villesen Christensen]

Hi,

There is a "more module" section at the bottom of the pane that I always 
go to when I cannot find the module I'm looking for. Here, they are in 
alphabetical order.


~Jørn


On 2017-11-30 20:16, Colin Adams wrote:
It used to happen to me at first. But after a little while, I had marked 
as favourites the modules I use, so then it is easy to find them.


On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 at 19:14 Daniele De Felice 
> 
wrote:


Maybe it's just me that I have trouble finding the module I am
looking for.
If this does not happen to any of you... :)


On 30/11/2017 18:27, Timothy Spear wrote:

I am not a developer on dt. However, I think the order makes
perfect sense.
Here is why, if you apply the edits out of the order they are
applied to the image, you end up potentially having to reapply a
specific edit.
I see this issue all the time on LightRoom forums where people are
not applying the edits in the order the software was designed. And
then the user is left trying to figure out the unintended effects.
The one comment I will say is, I wish the user manual was included
somehow on the installation (Windows user). There have been times
where I am not connected to the net and I am playing with dt and
need to figure something out...

Tim


On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:19 PM, Daniele De Felice
> wrote:

Ok, thank you for your answer.
I get that this makes sense from a developer/poweruser point
of view.
But, from a end-user point of view, as a feedback on my side,
is very difficult to find any particular module since the
order has no meaningful appearance.

For example, let's say that I am looking for the Equalizer
module (by the way, I love this module).

There is no way for me to understand that I will find it
between the "Local contrast" and "Shadows and highlights"
modules :)

(warning: maybe original english name are slightly different)

Would be easier if I could list modules in alphabetical order.
I don't mean that this should reflect on actual application of
the modules, just in the way that modules are displayed.

This being said, thank you anyway for the great software and
for the Linux support.
Daniele

On 30/11/2017 17:38, Maurizio Paglia wrote:

Ciao Daniele,
modules are listed in the same order the software uses to
apply them.
You can find this explanation in the user manual.

A feature allowing users to re-arrange module list in order
to be more comfortable with everyone own forkflow has been
requested (I did that too) but developers seem to be not
convinced.

Maurizio

2017-11-30 17:30 GMT+01:00 Daniele De Felice
>:

Hi guys,

sorry for writing here but I cannot find any official
forum or equivalent.

I *love* the software but cannot find a way to better
arrange the modules.

The modules on the right panels are in no particular order:

The icons are very similar, the order is *not*
alphabetical and I cannot re-arrange them.

Is there a way to solve any one of these issues?

Maybe any of the following would work:

- make icons (much) bigger, maybe 2x or 2.5x

- re-arrange modules order in cusrom oder

- put them in alphabetical order

- having a search box at the top

Thank you :)

Daniele








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Re: [darktable-dev] Module ordering and icons

[Tobias Ellinghaus]

Am Donnerstag, 30. November 2017, 17:30:04 CET schrieb Daniele De Felice:
> Hi guys,
> 
> sorry for writing here but I cannot find any official forum or equivalent.
> 
> I *love* the software but cannot find a way to better arrange the modules.
> 
> The modules on the right panels are in no particular order:

Actually they are: in the order they get applied to the image.

https://www.darktable.org/usermanual/ch03s02.html.php#pixelpipe

> The icons are very similar, the order is *not* alphabetical and I cannot
> re-arrange them.
> 
> Is there a way to solve any one of these issues?
> 
> Maybe any of the following would work:
> 
> - make icons (much) bigger, maybe 2x or 2.5x
> 
> - re-arrange modules order in cusrom oder
> 
> - put them in alphabetical order
> 
> - having a search box at the top
> 
> Thank you :)
> 
> Daniele
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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