Re: Fwd: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0

[Isabelle Hurbain-Palatin]

Hi folks,
I integrated Bruce and Aurélien's comments to the PR, so from my
perspective this is ready to go :) (If someone disagrees and has more
comments, I'll be happy to modify as well, obviously :) ).
Cheers!
Isabelle

On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 12:32 AM Bruce Williams  wrote:

> I've added a couple of minor grammatical tweaks. Nothing major.
> :)
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> -- Forwarded message -----
> From: Isabelle Hurbain-Palatin 
> Date: Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 6:32 AM
> Subject: Re: Fwd: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0
> To: Aurélien Pierre 
> Cc: Bruce Williams , darktable <
> darktable-dev@lists.darktable.org>
>
>
> Hi all,
> I just opened a PR for the filmic rgb documentation:
> https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/pull/3835
> @Aurélien: there's a few questions for you in there (prefixed with IHU in
> the comments of the XML) - also, I hope I didn't deform your (great) input
> too much :)
> @Bruce: review of my french-tinted english more than welcome :)
>
> Cheers!
> Isabelle
>
> On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 10:33 PM Isabelle Hurbain-Palatin <
> isabe...@palatin.fr> wrote:
>
>> Hi folks,
>> the week has been busier than expected, but I'm not working on monday,
>> and I expect to have a better idea by Monday evening. A priori, unless
>> there's a large surprise, I should be able to ask for a PR by the end of
>> next week for filmic RGB, including reorganization to fit with filmic 2.6.
>> Aurélien: your content is very clear and very well structured - I wish I
>> were always dealing with source material of that quality!
>> Cheers,
>> Isabelle
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 9:55 PM Isabelle Hurbain-Palatin <
>> isabe...@palatin.fr> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Aurélien,
>>> Yup, the arrangement is still on - it's a bit of the "silly part of the
>>> year", so time may be more tight than I'd like, but it should work out.
>>> I'll have a look at what you have already and I'll come back to you and
>>> Bruce with what I feel is feasible on my end in the next week or so.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Isabelle
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 7:37 PM Aurélien Pierre <
>>> rese...@aurelienpierre.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Isabelle and William and everyone,
>>>>
>>>> is this arrangement still on ? I have started emptying my brain here
>>>> (in English) :
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4EYo8VotTsiZLr3BqGeBRj-qYGO63bIv
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Aurélien.
>>>>
>>>> PS : Yes I'm French :-)
>>>> Le 18/08/2019 à 11:17, Isabelle Hurbain-Palatin a écrit :
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> If there's an easy way to split the work and to share it, I'd be more
>>>> than happy to help - it's more than time I start contributing to the
>>>> awesomeness that is Darktable, and I do have a fair amount of experience
>>>> writing doc (although English is not my native language, so English
>>>> proofreading would be required). Videos explaining what's new and how it
>>>> works would be tremendously helpful! (this is mostly how I work when I
>>>> write our software documentation these days at work...). I'm assuming
>>>> individual module documentation at least can be delegated individually.
>>>> @Aurélien - considering your name, I'm assuming you're a native French
>>>> speaker - if the work is divided beforehand and it's easier for you, you
>>>> could provide info in French to me as well.
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Isabelle
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 11:06 AM Aurélien Pierre <
>>>> rese...@aurelienpierre.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> for last 2.6 version, it took me a full-time week to write the doc for
>>>>> 3 modules, trying to accurately describe how they worked in a vulgarized
>>>>> way, in my 3rd language. Instead, will it be helpfu

Fwd: Fwd: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0

[Bruce Williams]

I've added a couple of minor grammatical tweaks. Nothing major.
:)
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From: Isabelle Hurbain-Palatin 
Date: Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 6:32 AM
Subject: Re: Fwd: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0
To: Aurélien Pierre 
Cc: Bruce Williams , darktable <
darktable-dev@lists.darktable.org>


Hi all,
I just opened a PR for the filmic rgb documentation:
https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/pull/3835
@Aurélien: there's a few questions for you in there (prefixed with IHU in
the comments of the XML) - also, I hope I didn't deform your (great) input
too much :)
@Bruce: review of my french-tinted english more than welcome :)

Cheers!
Isabelle

On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 10:33 PM Isabelle Hurbain-Palatin <
isabe...@palatin.fr> wrote:

> Hi folks,
> the week has been busier than expected, but I'm not working on monday, and
> I expect to have a better idea by Monday evening. A priori, unless there's
> a large surprise, I should be able to ask for a PR by the end of next week
> for filmic RGB, including reorganization to fit with filmic 2.6.
> Aurélien: your content is very clear and very well structured - I wish I
> were always dealing with source material of that quality!
> Cheers,
> Isabelle
>
> On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 9:55 PM Isabelle Hurbain-Palatin <
> isabe...@palatin.fr> wrote:
>
>> Hi Aurélien,
>> Yup, the arrangement is still on - it's a bit of the "silly part of the
>> year", so time may be more tight than I'd like, but it should work out.
>> I'll have a look at what you have already and I'll come back to you and
>> Bruce with what I feel is feasible on my end in the next week or so.
>> Cheers,
>> Isabelle
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 7:37 PM Aurélien Pierre <
>> rese...@aurelienpierre.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Isabelle and William and everyone,
>>>
>>> is this arrangement still on ? I have started emptying my brain here (in
>>> English) :
>>> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4EYo8VotTsiZLr3BqGeBRj-qYGO63bIv
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Aurélien.
>>>
>>> PS : Yes I'm French :-)
>>> Le 18/08/2019 à 11:17, Isabelle Hurbain-Palatin a écrit :
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> If there's an easy way to split the work and to share it, I'd be more
>>> than happy to help - it's more than time I start contributing to the
>>> awesomeness that is Darktable, and I do have a fair amount of experience
>>> writing doc (although English is not my native language, so English
>>> proofreading would be required). Videos explaining what's new and how it
>>> works would be tremendously helpful! (this is mostly how I work when I
>>> write our software documentation these days at work...). I'm assuming
>>> individual module documentation at least can be delegated individually.
>>> @Aurélien - considering your name, I'm assuming you're a native French
>>> speaker - if the work is divided beforehand and it's easier for you, you
>>> could provide info in French to me as well.
>>> Best regards,
>>> Isabelle
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 11:06 AM Aurélien Pierre <
>>> rese...@aurelienpierre.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> for last 2.6 version, it took me a full-time week to write the doc for
>>>> 3 modules, trying to accurately describe how they worked in a vulgarized
>>>> way, in my 3rd language. Instead, will it be helpful if I recorded videos
>>>> showing what's new and how it works (possibly in a disorganized/non-linear
>>>> order), and let you put the information in shape for a documentation ? Not
>>>> that I want to give you the bad job, but I might be more useful on the
>>>> debugging team, as the release approaches. I'm still happy to do
>>>> proof-reading.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Aurélien.
>>>> Le 18/08/2019 à 06:34, Bruce Williams a écrit :
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, I'll check it out!
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Bruce Williams.
>>>>
>>>> ---

Re: Fwd: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0

[Isabelle Hurbain-Palatin]

Hi all,
I just opened a PR for the filmic rgb documentation:
https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/pull/3835
@Aurélien: there's a few questions for you in there (prefixed with IHU in
the comments of the XML) - also, I hope I didn't deform your (great) input
too much :)
@Bruce: review of my french-tinted english more than welcome :)

Cheers!
Isabelle

On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 10:33 PM Isabelle Hurbain-Palatin <
isabe...@palatin.fr> wrote:

> Hi folks,
> the week has been busier than expected, but I'm not working on monday, and
> I expect to have a better idea by Monday evening. A priori, unless there's
> a large surprise, I should be able to ask for a PR by the end of next week
> for filmic RGB, including reorganization to fit with filmic 2.6.
> Aurélien: your content is very clear and very well structured - I wish I
> were always dealing with source material of that quality!
> Cheers,
> Isabelle
>
> On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 9:55 PM Isabelle Hurbain-Palatin <
> isabe...@palatin.fr> wrote:
>
>> Hi Aurélien,
>> Yup, the arrangement is still on - it's a bit of the "silly part of the
>> year", so time may be more tight than I'd like, but it should work out.
>> I'll have a look at what you have already and I'll come back to you and
>> Bruce with what I feel is feasible on my end in the next week or so.
>> Cheers,
>> Isabelle
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 7:37 PM Aurélien Pierre <
>> rese...@aurelienpierre.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Isabelle and William and everyone,
>>>
>>> is this arrangement still on ? I have started emptying my brain here (in
>>> English) :
>>> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4EYo8VotTsiZLr3BqGeBRj-qYGO63bIv
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Aurélien.
>>>
>>> PS : Yes I'm French :-)
>>> Le 18/08/2019 à 11:17, Isabelle Hurbain-Palatin a écrit :
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> If there's an easy way to split the work and to share it, I'd be more
>>> than happy to help - it's more than time I start contributing to the
>>> awesomeness that is Darktable, and I do have a fair amount of experience
>>> writing doc (although English is not my native language, so English
>>> proofreading would be required). Videos explaining what's new and how it
>>> works would be tremendously helpful! (this is mostly how I work when I
>>> write our software documentation these days at work...). I'm assuming
>>> individual module documentation at least can be delegated individually.
>>> @Aurélien - considering your name, I'm assuming you're a native French
>>> speaker - if the work is divided beforehand and it's easier for you, you
>>> could provide info in French to me as well.
>>> Best regards,
>>> Isabelle
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 11:06 AM Aurélien Pierre <
>>> rese...@aurelienpierre.com> wrote:
>>>
 Hi,

 for last 2.6 version, it took me a full-time week to write the doc for
 3 modules, trying to accurately describe how they worked in a vulgarized
 way, in my 3rd language. Instead, will it be helpful if I recorded videos
 showing what's new and how it works (possibly in a disorganized/non-linear
 order), and let you put the information in shape for a documentation ? Not
 that I want to give you the bad job, but I might be more useful on the
 debugging team, as the release approaches. I'm still happy to do
 proof-reading.

 Cheers,

 Aurélien.
 Le 18/08/2019 à 06:34, Bruce Williams a écrit :

 Thanks, I'll check it out!

 Cheers,
 Bruce Williams.

 -- Forwarded message -
 From: Ariel Kanterewicz 
 Date: Sun., 18 Aug. 2019, 09:06
 Subject: Re: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0
 To: darktable 


 @Bruce: if you're willing to pay for it, there's a *really* nice git
 course on pluralsight, it's the best intro to the topic I've found yet:
 https://app.pluralsight.com/library/courses/how-git-works/

 I'm excited to see the feature list in the new release, especially the
 Culling mode :-D

 On Sat, 17 Aug 2019 at 22:38, Bruce Williams 
 wrote:

> I will certainly do what I can.
> As yet, I have not delved into the world of github, pull requests,
> merges, and so forth.
> Nor compiling!
> But when I get home from holiday (another 8 days), that is on my list
> of things to get up to speed on. 
>
> Cheers,
> Bruce Williams.
>
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: Ulrich Pegelow 
> Date: Sun., 18 Aug. 2019, 01:31
> Subject: Re: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0
> To: 
>
>
> Hi,
>
> frankly speaking I am still using the 2.6 branch and have no
> experience
> of any of the 2.7 features at all. I would be happy if someone closer
> to
> the recent development (Bruce?) could take over the manual.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Ulrich
>
> Am 13.08.19 um 17:42 schrieb Pascal Obry:
> >
> > Hi Matthieu,
> >
> > I fully agree here. I'm 

Re: Fwd: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0

[Isabelle Hurbain-Palatin]

Hi folks,
the week has been busier than expected, but I'm not working on monday, and
I expect to have a better idea by Monday evening. A priori, unless there's
a large surprise, I should be able to ask for a PR by the end of next week
for filmic RGB, including reorganization to fit with filmic 2.6.
Aurélien: your content is very clear and very well structured - I wish I
were always dealing with source material of that quality!
Cheers,
Isabelle

On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 9:55 PM Isabelle Hurbain-Palatin 
wrote:

> Hi Aurélien,
> Yup, the arrangement is still on - it's a bit of the "silly part of the
> year", so time may be more tight than I'd like, but it should work out.
> I'll have a look at what you have already and I'll come back to you and
> Bruce with what I feel is feasible on my end in the next week or so.
> Cheers,
> Isabelle
>
> On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 7:37 PM Aurélien Pierre 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Isabelle and William and everyone,
>>
>> is this arrangement still on ? I have started emptying my brain here (in
>> English) :
>> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4EYo8VotTsiZLr3BqGeBRj-qYGO63bIv
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Aurélien.
>>
>> PS : Yes I'm French :-)
>> Le 18/08/2019 à 11:17, Isabelle Hurbain-Palatin a écrit :
>>
>> Hi all,
>> If there's an easy way to split the work and to share it, I'd be more
>> than happy to help - it's more than time I start contributing to the
>> awesomeness that is Darktable, and I do have a fair amount of experience
>> writing doc (although English is not my native language, so English
>> proofreading would be required). Videos explaining what's new and how it
>> works would be tremendously helpful! (this is mostly how I work when I
>> write our software documentation these days at work...). I'm assuming
>> individual module documentation at least can be delegated individually.
>> @Aurélien - considering your name, I'm assuming you're a native French
>> speaker - if the work is divided beforehand and it's easier for you, you
>> could provide info in French to me as well.
>> Best regards,
>> Isabelle
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 11:06 AM Aurélien Pierre <
>> rese...@aurelienpierre.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> for last 2.6 version, it took me a full-time week to write the doc for 3
>>> modules, trying to accurately describe how they worked in a vulgarized way,
>>> in my 3rd language. Instead, will it be helpful if I recorded videos
>>> showing what's new and how it works (possibly in a disorganized/non-linear
>>> order), and let you put the information in shape for a documentation ? Not
>>> that I want to give you the bad job, but I might be more useful on the
>>> debugging team, as the release approaches. I'm still happy to do
>>> proof-reading.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Aurélien.
>>> Le 18/08/2019 à 06:34, Bruce Williams a écrit :
>>>
>>> Thanks, I'll check it out!
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Bruce Williams.
>>>
>>> -- Forwarded message -
>>> From: Ariel Kanterewicz 
>>> Date: Sun., 18 Aug. 2019, 09:06
>>> Subject: Re: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0
>>> To: darktable 
>>>
>>>
>>> @Bruce: if you're willing to pay for it, there's a *really* nice git
>>> course on pluralsight, it's the best intro to the topic I've found yet:
>>> https://app.pluralsight.com/library/courses/how-git-works/
>>>
>>> I'm excited to see the feature list in the new release, especially the
>>> Culling mode :-D
>>>
>>> On Sat, 17 Aug 2019 at 22:38, Bruce Williams  wrote:
>>>
 I will certainly do what I can.
 As yet, I have not delved into the world of github, pull requests,
 merges, and so forth.
 Nor compiling!
 But when I get home from holiday (another 8 days), that is on my list
 of things to get up to speed on. 

 Cheers,
 Bruce Williams.

 -- Forwarded message -
 From: Ulrich Pegelow 
 Date: Sun., 18 Aug. 2019, 01:31
 Subject: Re: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0
 To: 


 Hi,

 frankly speaking I am still using the 2.6 branch and have no experience
 of any of the 2.7 features at all. I would be happy if someone closer
 to
 the recent development (Bruce?) could take over the manual.

 Best wishes

 Ulrich

 Am 13.08.19 um 17:42 schrieb Pascal Obry:
 >
 > Hi Matthieu,
 >
 > I fully agree here. I'm not the maintainer of the documentation so I
 > cannot speak for Ulrich.
 >
 > That being said, I can certainly ping developers to start a draft of
 > the code they have introduced in dt 3.0.
 >
 > I have noted that Bruce will be happy to help doing the preparation of
 > the documentation from draft to final version. That's really nice,
 > thanks Bruce for stepping in!
 >
 > So let's try to achieve that, we'll see how it works.
 >
 > Cheers,
 >


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Re: Fwd: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0

[Isabelle Hurbain-Palatin]

Hi Aurélien,
Yup, the arrangement is still on - it's a bit of the "silly part of the
year", so time may be more tight than I'd like, but it should work out.
I'll have a look at what you have already and I'll come back to you and
Bruce with what I feel is feasible on my end in the next week or so.
Cheers,
Isabelle

On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 7:37 PM Aurélien Pierre 
wrote:

> Hello Isabelle and William and everyone,
>
> is this arrangement still on ? I have started emptying my brain here (in
> English) :
> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4EYo8VotTsiZLr3BqGeBRj-qYGO63bIv
>
> Thanks,
>
> Aurélien.
>
> PS : Yes I'm French :-)
> Le 18/08/2019 à 11:17, Isabelle Hurbain-Palatin a écrit :
>
> Hi all,
> If there's an easy way to split the work and to share it, I'd be more
> than happy to help - it's more than time I start contributing to the
> awesomeness that is Darktable, and I do have a fair amount of experience
> writing doc (although English is not my native language, so English
> proofreading would be required). Videos explaining what's new and how it
> works would be tremendously helpful! (this is mostly how I work when I
> write our software documentation these days at work...). I'm assuming
> individual module documentation at least can be delegated individually.
> @Aurélien - considering your name, I'm assuming you're a native French
> speaker - if the work is divided beforehand and it's easier for you, you
> could provide info in French to me as well.
> Best regards,
> Isabelle
>
> On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 11:06 AM Aurélien Pierre <
> rese...@aurelienpierre.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> for last 2.6 version, it took me a full-time week to write the doc for 3
>> modules, trying to accurately describe how they worked in a vulgarized way,
>> in my 3rd language. Instead, will it be helpful if I recorded videos
>> showing what's new and how it works (possibly in a disorganized/non-linear
>> order), and let you put the information in shape for a documentation ? Not
>> that I want to give you the bad job, but I might be more useful on the
>> debugging team, as the release approaches. I'm still happy to do
>> proof-reading.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Aurélien.
>> Le 18/08/2019 à 06:34, Bruce Williams a écrit :
>>
>> Thanks, I'll check it out!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Bruce Williams.
>>
>> -- Forwarded message -
>> From: Ariel Kanterewicz 
>> Date: Sun., 18 Aug. 2019, 09:06
>> Subject: Re: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0
>> To: darktable 
>>
>>
>> @Bruce: if you're willing to pay for it, there's a *really* nice git
>> course on pluralsight, it's the best intro to the topic I've found yet:
>> https://app.pluralsight.com/library/courses/how-git-works/
>>
>> I'm excited to see the feature list in the new release, especially the
>> Culling mode :-D
>>
>> On Sat, 17 Aug 2019 at 22:38, Bruce Williams  wrote:
>>
>>> I will certainly do what I can.
>>> As yet, I have not delved into the world of github, pull requests,
>>> merges, and so forth.
>>> Nor compiling!
>>> But when I get home from holiday (another 8 days), that is on my list of
>>> things to get up to speed on. 
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Bruce Williams.
>>>
>>> -- Forwarded message -
>>> From: Ulrich Pegelow 
>>> Date: Sun., 18 Aug. 2019, 01:31
>>> Subject: Re: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0
>>> To: 
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> frankly speaking I am still using the 2.6 branch and have no experience
>>> of any of the 2.7 features at all. I would be happy if someone closer to
>>> the recent development (Bruce?) could take over the manual.
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>>
>>> Ulrich
>>>
>>> Am 13.08.19 um 17:42 schrieb Pascal Obry:
>>> >
>>> > Hi Matthieu,
>>> >
>>> > I fully agree here. I'm not the maintainer of the documentation so I
>>> > cannot speak for Ulrich.
>>> >
>>> > That being said, I can certainly ping developers to start a draft of
>>> > the code they have introduced in dt 3.0.
>>> >
>>> > I have noted that Bruce will be happy to help doing the preparation of
>>> > the documentation from draft to final version. That's really nice,
>>> > thanks Bruce for stepping in!
>>> >
>>> > So let's try to achieve that, we'll see how it works.
>>> >
>>> > Cheers,
>>> >
>>>
>>>
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Fwd: Fwd: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0

[Bruce Williams]

Aurelian,
I've been watching your content as time allows! Love the new interface for
filmic, btw. Great job!
Happy to proof read your documentation, if that was what you are asking.

Cheers,
Bruce Williams.

-- Forwarded message -
From: Aurélien Pierre 
Date: Tue., 3 Dec. 2019, 05:37
Subject: Re: Fwd: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0
To: Isabelle Hurbain-Palatin 
Cc: Bruce Williams , darktable <
darktable-dev@lists.darktable.org>


Hello Isabelle and William and everyone,

is this arrangement still on ? I have started emptying my brain here (in
English) :
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4EYo8VotTsiZLr3BqGeBRj-qYGO63bIv

Thanks,

Aurélien.

PS : Yes I'm French :-)
Le 18/08/2019 à 11:17, Isabelle Hurbain-Palatin a écrit :

Hi all,
If there's an easy way to split the work and to share it, I'd be more
than happy to help - it's more than time I start contributing to the
awesomeness that is Darktable, and I do have a fair amount of experience
writing doc (although English is not my native language, so English
proofreading would be required). Videos explaining what's new and how it
works would be tremendously helpful! (this is mostly how I work when I
write our software documentation these days at work...). I'm assuming
individual module documentation at least can be delegated individually.
@Aurélien - considering your name, I'm assuming you're a native French
speaker - if the work is divided beforehand and it's easier for you, you
could provide info in French to me as well.
Best regards,
Isabelle

On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 11:06 AM Aurélien Pierre 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> for last 2.6 version, it took me a full-time week to write the doc for 3
> modules, trying to accurately describe how they worked in a vulgarized way,
> in my 3rd language. Instead, will it be helpful if I recorded videos
> showing what's new and how it works (possibly in a disorganized/non-linear
> order), and let you put the information in shape for a documentation ? Not
> that I want to give you the bad job, but I might be more useful on the
> debugging team, as the release approaches. I'm still happy to do
> proof-reading.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Aurélien.
> Le 18/08/2019 à 06:34, Bruce Williams a écrit :
>
> Thanks, I'll check it out!
>
> Cheers,
> Bruce Williams.
>
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: Ariel Kanterewicz 
> Date: Sun., 18 Aug. 2019, 09:06
> Subject: Re: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0
> To: darktable 
>
>
> @Bruce: if you're willing to pay for it, there's a *really* nice git
> course on pluralsight, it's the best intro to the topic I've found yet:
> https://app.pluralsight.com/library/courses/how-git-works/
>
> I'm excited to see the feature list in the new release, especially the
> Culling mode :-D
>
> On Sat, 17 Aug 2019 at 22:38, Bruce Williams  wrote:
>
>> I will certainly do what I can.
>> As yet, I have not delved into the world of github, pull requests,
>> merges, and so forth.
>> Nor compiling!
>> But when I get home from holiday (another 8 days), that is on my list of
>> things to get up to speed on. 
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Bruce Williams.
>>
>> -- Forwarded message -
>> From: Ulrich Pegelow 
>> Date: Sun., 18 Aug. 2019, 01:31
>> Subject: Re: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0
>> To: 
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> frankly speaking I am still using the 2.6 branch and have no experience
>> of any of the 2.7 features at all. I would be happy if someone closer to
>> the recent development (Bruce?) could take over the manual.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Ulrich
>>
>> Am 13.08.19 um 17:42 schrieb Pascal Obry:
>> >
>> > Hi Matthieu,
>> >
>> > I fully agree here. I'm not the maintainer of the documentation so I
>> > cannot speak for Ulrich.
>> >
>> > That being said, I can certainly ping developers to start a draft of
>> > the code they have introduced in dt 3.0.
>> >
>> > I have noted that Bruce will be happy to help doing the preparation of
>> > the documentation from draft to final version. That's really nice,
>> > thanks Bruce for stepping in!
>> >
>> > So let's try to achieve that, we'll see how it works.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>>
>>
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Re: Fwd: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0

[Aurélien Pierre]

Hello Isabelle and William and everyone,

is this arrangement still on ? I have started emptying my brain here (in
English) :
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4EYo8VotTsiZLr3BqGeBRj-qYGO63bIv

Thanks,

Aurélien.

PS : Yes I'm French :-)

Le 18/08/2019 à 11:17, Isabelle Hurbain-Palatin a écrit :
> Hi all,
> If there's an easy way to split the work and to share it, I'd be more
> than happy to help - it's more than time I start contributing to the
> awesomeness that is Darktable, and I do have a fair amount of
> experience writing doc (although English is not my native language, so
> English proofreading would be required). Videos explaining what's new
> and how it works would be tremendously helpful! (this is mostly how I
> work when I write our software documentation these days at work...).
> I'm assuming individual module documentation at least can be delegated
> individually.
> @Aurélien - considering your name, I'm assuming you're a native French
> speaker - if the work is divided beforehand and it's easier for you,
> you could provide info in French to me as well.
> Best regards,
> Isabelle
>
> On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 11:06 AM Aurélien Pierre
> mailto:rese...@aurelienpierre.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> for last 2.6 version, it took me a full-time week to write the doc
> for 3 modules, trying to accurately describe how they worked in a
> vulgarized way, in my 3rd language. Instead, will it be helpful if
> I recorded videos showing what's new and how it works (possibly in
> a disorganized/non-linear order), and let you put the information
> in shape for a documentation ? Not that I want to give you the bad
> job, but I might be more useful on the debugging team, as the
> release approaches. I'm still happy to do proof-reading.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Aurélien.
>
> Le 18/08/2019 à 06:34, Bruce Williams a écrit :
>> Thanks, I'll check it out!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Bruce Williams.
>>
>> -- Forwarded message -
>> From: *Ariel Kanterewicz* > >
>> Date: Sun., 18 Aug. 2019, 09:06
>> Subject: Re: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0
>> To: darktable > >
>>
>>
>> @Bruce: if you're willing to pay for it, there's a *really* nice
>> git course on pluralsight, it's the best intro to the topic I've
>> found
>> yet: https://app.pluralsight.com/library/courses/how-git-works/
>>
>> I'm excited to see the feature list in the new release,
>> especially the Culling mode :-D
>>
>> On Sat, 17 Aug 2019 at 22:38, Bruce Williams > > wrote:
>>
>> I will certainly do what I can.
>> As yet, I have not delved into the world of github, pull
>> requests, merges, and so forth.
>> Nor compiling!
>> But when I get home from holiday (another 8 days), that is on
>> my list of things to get up to speed on. 
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Bruce Williams.
>>
>> -- Forwarded message -
>> From: *Ulrich Pegelow* > >
>> Date: Sun., 18 Aug. 2019, 01:31
>> Subject: Re: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0
>> To: > >
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> frankly speaking I am still using the 2.6 branch and have no
>> experience
>> of any of the 2.7 features at all. I would be happy if
>> someone closer to
>> the recent development (Bruce?) could take over the manual.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Ulrich
>>
>> Am 13.08.19 um 17:42 schrieb Pascal Obry:
>> >
>> > Hi Matthieu,
>> >
>> > I fully agree here. I'm not the maintainer of the
>> documentation so I
>> > cannot speak for Ulrich.
>> >
>> > That being said, I can certainly ping developers to start a
>> draft of
>> > the code they have introduced in dt 3.0.
>> >
>> > I have noted that Bruce will be happy to help doing the
>> preparation of
>> > the documentation from draft to final version. That's
>> really nice,
>> > thanks Bruce for stepping in!
>> >
>> > So let's try to achieve that, we'll see how it works.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>>
>> 
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Re: Fwd: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0

[Sami Cokar]

If possible,please record video walk throughs for other translators/editors
who might be able to help out in the future

On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 12:32 AM  wrote:

> If Andreas is not available, I can cover github via a video chat training.
>
> Tim
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Andreas Schneider 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 2:20 AM
> To: darktable-dev@lists.darktable.org
> Cc: Bruce Williams 
> Subject: Re: Fwd: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0
>
> On Sunday, August 18, 2019 3:29:30 AM CEST Bruce Williams wrote:
> > I will certainly do what I can.
> > As yet, I have not delved into the world of github, pull requests,
> > merges, and so forth.
> > Nor compiling!
> > But when I get home from holiday (another 8 days), that is on my list
> > of things to get up to speed on. 
>
> I'm going on vacation soon, but I could offer a walk through git (video
> chat) once I'm back.
>
>
> Andreas
>
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RE: Fwd: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0

[n614cd]

If Andreas is not available, I can cover github via a video chat training.

Tim

-Original Message-
From: Andreas Schneider  
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 2:20 AM
To: darktable-dev@lists.darktable.org
Cc: Bruce Williams 
Subject: Re: Fwd: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0

On Sunday, August 18, 2019 3:29:30 AM CEST Bruce Williams wrote:
> I will certainly do what I can.
> As yet, I have not delved into the world of github, pull requests, 
> merges, and so forth.
> Nor compiling!
> But when I get home from holiday (another 8 days), that is on my list 
> of things to get up to speed on. 

I'm going on vacation soon, but I could offer a walk through git (video chat) 
once I'm back.


Andreas

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Re: Fwd: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0

[Andreas Schneider]

On Sunday, August 18, 2019 3:29:30 AM CEST Bruce Williams wrote:
> I will certainly do what I can.
> As yet, I have not delved into the world of github, pull requests, merges,
> and so forth.
> Nor compiling!
> But when I get home from holiday (another 8 days), that is on my list of
> things to get up to speed on. 

I'm going on vacation soon, but I could offer a walk through git (video chat) 
once I'm back.


Andreas

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Fwd: Fwd: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0

[Bruce Williams]

Aurélien Pierre,
Videos would be fine by me.
Or draft written versions.
Whatever works.
Happy to liaise with you directly off-list, if need be?
Cheers,
Bruce.

-- Forwarded message -
From: Aurélien Pierre 
Date: Sun., 18 Aug. 2019, 14:29
Subject: Re: Fwd: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0
To: Bruce Williams , darktable <
darktable-dev@lists.darktable.org>


Hi,

for last 2.6 version, it took me a full-time week to write the doc for 3
modules, trying to accurately describe how they worked in a vulgarized way,
in my 3rd language. Instead, will it be helpful if I recorded videos
showing what's new and how it works (possibly in a disorganized/non-linear
order), and let you put the information in shape for a documentation ? Not
that I want to give you the bad job, but I might be more useful on the
debugging team, as the release approaches. I'm still happy to do
proof-reading.

Cheers,

Aurélien.
Le 18/08/2019 à 06:34, Bruce Williams a écrit :

Thanks, I'll check it out!

Cheers,
Bruce Williams.

-- Forwarded message -
From: Ariel Kanterewicz 
Date: Sun., 18 Aug. 2019, 09:06
Subject: Re: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0
To: darktable 


@Bruce: if you're willing to pay for it, there's a *really* nice git course
on pluralsight, it's the best intro to the topic I've found yet:
https://app.pluralsight.com/library/courses/how-git-works/

I'm excited to see the feature list in the new release, especially the
Culling mode :-D

On Sat, 17 Aug 2019 at 22:38, Bruce Williams  wrote:

> I will certainly do what I can.
> As yet, I have not delved into the world of github, pull requests, merges,
> and so forth.
> Nor compiling!
> But when I get home from holiday (another 8 days), that is on my list of
> things to get up to speed on. 
>
> Cheers,
> Bruce Williams.
>
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: Ulrich Pegelow 
> Date: Sun., 18 Aug. 2019, 01:31
> Subject: Re: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0
> To: 
>
>
> Hi,
>
> frankly speaking I am still using the 2.6 branch and have no experience
> of any of the 2.7 features at all. I would be happy if someone closer to
> the recent development (Bruce?) could take over the manual.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Ulrich
>
> Am 13.08.19 um 17:42 schrieb Pascal Obry:
> >
> > Hi Matthieu,
> >
> > I fully agree here. I'm not the maintainer of the documentation so I
> > cannot speak for Ulrich.
> >
> > That being said, I can certainly ping developers to start a draft of
> > the code they have introduced in dt 3.0.
> >
> > I have noted that Bruce will be happy to help doing the preparation of
> > the documentation from draft to final version. That's really nice,
> > thanks Bruce for stepping in!
> >
> > So let's try to achieve that, we'll see how it works.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
>
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Re: Fwd: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0

[Isabelle Hurbain-Palatin]

Hi all,
If there's an easy way to split the work and to share it, I'd be more
than happy to help - it's more than time I start contributing to the
awesomeness that is Darktable, and I do have a fair amount of experience
writing doc (although English is not my native language, so English
proofreading would be required). Videos explaining what's new and how it
works would be tremendously helpful! (this is mostly how I work when I
write our software documentation these days at work...). I'm assuming
individual module documentation at least can be delegated individually.
@Aurélien - considering your name, I'm assuming you're a native French
speaker - if the work is divided beforehand and it's easier for you, you
could provide info in French to me as well.
Best regards,
Isabelle

On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 11:06 AM Aurélien Pierre 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> for last 2.6 version, it took me a full-time week to write the doc for 3
> modules, trying to accurately describe how they worked in a vulgarized way,
> in my 3rd language. Instead, will it be helpful if I recorded videos
> showing what's new and how it works (possibly in a disorganized/non-linear
> order), and let you put the information in shape for a documentation ? Not
> that I want to give you the bad job, but I might be more useful on the
> debugging team, as the release approaches. I'm still happy to do
> proof-reading.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Aurélien.
> Le 18/08/2019 à 06:34, Bruce Williams a écrit :
>
> Thanks, I'll check it out!
>
> Cheers,
> Bruce Williams.
>
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: Ariel Kanterewicz 
> Date: Sun., 18 Aug. 2019, 09:06
> Subject: Re: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0
> To: darktable 
>
>
> @Bruce: if you're willing to pay for it, there's a *really* nice git
> course on pluralsight, it's the best intro to the topic I've found yet:
> https://app.pluralsight.com/library/courses/how-git-works/
>
> I'm excited to see the feature list in the new release, especially the
> Culling mode :-D
>
> On Sat, 17 Aug 2019 at 22:38, Bruce Williams  wrote:
>
>> I will certainly do what I can.
>> As yet, I have not delved into the world of github, pull requests,
>> merges, and so forth.
>> Nor compiling!
>> But when I get home from holiday (another 8 days), that is on my list of
>> things to get up to speed on. 
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Bruce Williams.
>>
>> -- Forwarded message -
>> From: Ulrich Pegelow 
>> Date: Sun., 18 Aug. 2019, 01:31
>> Subject: Re: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0
>> To: 
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> frankly speaking I am still using the 2.6 branch and have no experience
>> of any of the 2.7 features at all. I would be happy if someone closer to
>> the recent development (Bruce?) could take over the manual.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Ulrich
>>
>> Am 13.08.19 um 17:42 schrieb Pascal Obry:
>> >
>> > Hi Matthieu,
>> >
>> > I fully agree here. I'm not the maintainer of the documentation so I
>> > cannot speak for Ulrich.
>> >
>> > That being said, I can certainly ping developers to start a draft of
>> > the code they have introduced in dt 3.0.
>> >
>> > I have noted that Bruce will be happy to help doing the preparation of
>> > the documentation from draft to final version. That's really nice,
>> > thanks Bruce for stepping in!
>> >
>> > So let's try to achieve that, we'll see how it works.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>>
>>
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Re: Fwd: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0

[Aurélien Pierre]

Hi,

for last 2.6 version, it took me a full-time week to write the doc for 3
modules, trying to accurately describe how they worked in a vulgarized
way, in my 3rd language. Instead, will it be helpful if I recorded
videos showing what's new and how it works (possibly in a
disorganized/non-linear order), and let you put the information in shape
for a documentation ? Not that I want to give you the bad job, but I
might be more useful on the debugging team, as the release approaches.
I'm still happy to do proof-reading.

Cheers,

Aurélien.

Le 18/08/2019 à 06:34, Bruce Williams a écrit :
> Thanks, I'll check it out!
>
> Cheers,
> Bruce Williams.
>
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: *Ariel Kanterewicz* mailto:ar...@aknt.com.ar>>
> Date: Sun., 18 Aug. 2019, 09:06
> Subject: Re: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0
> To: darktable  >
>
>
> @Bruce: if you're willing to pay for it, there's a *really* nice git
> course on pluralsight, it's the best intro to the topic I've found
> yet: https://app.pluralsight.com/library/courses/how-git-works/
>
> I'm excited to see the feature list in the new release, especially the
> Culling mode :-D
>
> On Sat, 17 Aug 2019 at 22:38, Bruce Williams  > wrote:
>
> I will certainly do what I can.
> As yet, I have not delved into the world of github, pull requests,
> merges, and so forth.
> Nor compiling!
> But when I get home from holiday (another 8 days), that is on my
> list of things to get up to speed on. 
>
> Cheers,
> Bruce Williams.
>
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: *Ulrich Pegelow*  >
> Date: Sun., 18 Aug. 2019, 01:31
> Subject: Re: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0
> To:  >
>
>
> Hi,
>
> frankly speaking I am still using the 2.6 branch and have no
> experience
> of any of the 2.7 features at all. I would be happy if someone
> closer to
> the recent development (Bruce?) could take over the manual.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Ulrich
>
> Am 13.08.19 um 17:42 schrieb Pascal Obry:
> >
> > Hi Matthieu,
> >
> > I fully agree here. I'm not the maintainer of the documentation so I
> > cannot speak for Ulrich.
> >
> > That being said, I can certainly ping developers to start a draft of
> > the code they have introduced in dt 3.0.
> >
> > I have noted that Bruce will be happy to help doing the
> preparation of
> > the documentation from draft to final version. That's really nice,
> > thanks Bruce for stepping in!
> >
> > So let's try to achieve that, we'll see how it works.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
>
> 
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Fwd: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0

[Bruce Williams]

I will certainly do what I can.
As yet, I have not delved into the world of github, pull requests, merges,
and so forth.
Nor compiling!
But when I get home from holiday (another 8 days), that is on my list of
things to get up to speed on. 

Cheers,
Bruce Williams.

-- Forwarded message -
From: Ulrich Pegelow 
Date: Sun., 18 Aug. 2019, 01:31
Subject: Re: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0
To: 


Hi,

frankly speaking I am still using the 2.6 branch and have no experience
of any of the 2.7 features at all. I would be happy if someone closer to
the recent development (Bruce?) could take over the manual.

Best wishes

Ulrich

Am 13.08.19 um 17:42 schrieb Pascal Obry:
>
> Hi Matthieu,
>
> I fully agree here. I'm not the maintainer of the documentation so I
> cannot speak for Ulrich.
>
> That being said, I can certainly ping developers to start a draft of
> the code they have introduced in dt 3.0.
>
> I have noted that Bruce will be happy to help doing the preparation of
> the documentation from draft to final version. That's really nice,
> thanks Bruce for stepping in!
>
> So let's try to achieve that, we'll see how it works.
>
> Cheers,
>

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Fwd: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0

[Bruce Williams]

Apologies for the misspelling, Mattieu.

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From: Bruce Williams 
Date: Tue., 13 Aug. 2019, 15:23
Subject: Fwd: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0
To: darktable 


I wholeheartedly agree with Matthew on the documentation front.
Now, I'll confess, I couldn't write a line of code if my life depended on
it!
Nor could I reverse-engineer anything.
But, writing copy has been part of my career (as a radio promo producer)
for the last 30+ years.
If the guys writing the new features are prepared to write draft notes on
how a certain new feature works, I would be happy to help with the copy
editing for the 3.0 documentation.

Cheers,
Bruce Williams.

-- Forwarded message -
From: Matthieu Moy 
Date: Tue., 13 Aug. 2019, 14:34
Subject: Re: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0
To: Pascal Obry 
Cc: darktable 


- Original Message -
> From: "Pascal Obry" 

> Also, to avoid the hard work at the end of year (like in 2018) I'd like
> to have a feature freeze earlier.

I support this. We had a lot of last-minutes fixes last years, and given
the amount of changes, we really need a long testing period this year.

> My current plan is:

> - *feature* freeze end of September
>
> - *strings* freeze end of October
>
> - *RC0* end of October
>
> - *RC1* end of November

I'd like to raise another point: the manual. The dt tradition is to make
the release, and complete the manual afterwards. This has disadvantages for
several kinds of people:

1. Users are somehow frustrated to get a nice release without the full
documentation. I could live with this, but there's also:

2. People writing articles about the release (e.g. myself) have a hard time
reverse-engineering the changes. Last year's release notes were better than
the previous ones for me, but still much more work to understand than a
proper user-manual.

3. Testers cannot really test without the manual. This is related to point
2: last year I reported a lot of bugs found while trying to understand how
new features worked, but without the documentation one doesn't know what to
test, nor what's the expected behavior.

4. People proof-reading the documentation, which can be the same as 2. For
example, the manual doesn't seem to document the hierarchical tags
shortcuts (control/shift double-click) in the collect module while they are
documented in my article (https://www.darktable.org/2018/12/darktable-26/).
I would happily report bugs for missing documentation, but when I do so I
usually get "please be patient, we'll write the doc later" as an answer, so
I don't report these bugs.

To me, the ideal flow is to write at least a draft of the doc in the same
PR as the code (which does help a lot with points 3. and 4. since testing
is also important before merging), but having the manual ready before the
release (e.g. not too long after the feature freeze or string freeze in
your list above) would greatly help.

> Thanks to all people involved in this release, it is amassing to see
> the developer community to grow!

Indeed, last year was awesome, this year seems even awesomer (I know, the
word doesn't exist, but if it did it would apply here) ;-).

Cheers,

-- 
Matthieu Moy
https://matthieu-moy.fr/
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Fwd: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0

[Bruce Williams]

I wholeheartedly agree with Matthew on the documentation front.
Now, I'll confess, I couldn't write a line of code if my life depended on
it!
Nor could I reverse-engineer anything.
But, writing copy has been part of my career (as a radio promo producer)
for the last 30+ years.
If the guys writing the new features are prepared to write draft notes on
how a certain new feature works, I would be happy to help with the copy
editing for the 3.0 documentation.

Cheers,
Bruce Williams.

-- Forwarded message -
From: Matthieu Moy 
Date: Tue., 13 Aug. 2019, 14:34
Subject: Re: [darktable-dev] Feature freeze for 3.0
To: Pascal Obry 
Cc: darktable 


- Original Message -
> From: "Pascal Obry" 

> Also, to avoid the hard work at the end of year (like in 2018) I'd like
> to have a feature freeze earlier.

I support this. We had a lot of last-minutes fixes last years, and given
the amount of changes, we really need a long testing period this year.

> My current plan is:

> - *feature* freeze end of September
>
> - *strings* freeze end of October
>
> - *RC0* end of October
>
> - *RC1* end of November

I'd like to raise another point: the manual. The dt tradition is to make
the release, and complete the manual afterwards. This has disadvantages for
several kinds of people:

1. Users are somehow frustrated to get a nice release without the full
documentation. I could live with this, but there's also:

2. People writing articles about the release (e.g. myself) have a hard time
reverse-engineering the changes. Last year's release notes were better than
the previous ones for me, but still much more work to understand than a
proper user-manual.

3. Testers cannot really test without the manual. This is related to point
2: last year I reported a lot of bugs found while trying to understand how
new features worked, but without the documentation one doesn't know what to
test, nor what's the expected behavior.

4. People proof-reading the documentation, which can be the same as 2. For
example, the manual doesn't seem to document the hierarchical tags
shortcuts (control/shift double-click) in the collect module while they are
documented in my article (https://www.darktable.org/2018/12/darktable-26/).
I would happily report bugs for missing documentation, but when I do so I
usually get "please be patient, we'll write the doc later" as an answer, so
I don't report these bugs.

To me, the ideal flow is to write at least a draft of the doc in the same
PR as the code (which does help a lot with points 3. and 4. since testing
is also important before merging), but having the manual ready before the
release (e.g. not too long after the feature freeze or string freeze in
your list above) would greatly help.

> Thanks to all people involved in this release, it is amassing to see
> the developer community to grow!

Indeed, last year was awesome, this year seems even awesomer (I know, the
word doesn't exist, but if it did it would apply here) ;-).

Cheers,

-- 
Matthieu Moy
https://matthieu-moy.fr/
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