[darktable-user] Re: darktable and gimp 2.9

2018-01-04 Thread Matthias Bodenbinder
Am 04.01.2018 um 19:08 schrieb Matthias Bodenbinder:
> Am 04.01.2018 um 18:59 schrieb François Patte:
>> Bonjour,
>>
>> I just tried to experiment gimp 2.9 (development version): openning a
>> raw file opens darktable and once you have finish to treat your photo in
>> darktable, closing darktable imports the photo in gimp... Ok.
>>
>> But the result I had was awful: the image is to bright, without contrast
>> and the saturation is bad... A part of the treatment done in darktable
>> is to be done again
>>
>> Does someone experienced the same problem?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
> 
> I can confirm. The resulting images in gimp are too bright and not saturated 
> enough. They look a.ot different then in darkroom. 
> 
> I tested with RAW from different cameras. All behave the same.
> 
> May be an import bug in gimp.  ?
> 
> Matthias
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It is weird. 

I import CR2 with gimp-2.9.8. gimp starts DT. in DT I export to file which 
gives a much too dark(!) image. When I exit DT the image given to gimp is mucht 
too bright(!).

Also, DT siwtches export color profile to linear-rec-709-RGB. But changing it 
to anything other than that, like sRGB,  has no influence on the resulting 
image in gimp

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[darktable-user] Re: darktable and gimp 2.9

2018-01-04 Thread Matthias Bodenbinder
Am 04.01.2018 um 18:59 schrieb François Patte:
> Bonjour,
> 
> I just tried to experiment gimp 2.9 (development version): openning a
> raw file opens darktable and once you have finish to treat your photo in
> darktable, closing darktable imports the photo in gimp... Ok.
> 
> But the result I had was awful: the image is to bright, without contrast
> and the saturation is bad... A part of the treatment done in darktable
> is to be done again
> 
> Does someone experienced the same problem?
> 
> Thank you.
> 

I can confirm. The resulting images in gimp are too bright and not saturated 
enough. They look a.ot different then in darkroom. 

I tested with RAW from different cameras. All behave the same.

May be an import bug in gimp.  ?

Matthias


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[darktable-user] darktable and gimp 2.9

2018-01-04 Thread François Patte
Bonjour,

I just tried to experiment gimp 2.9 (development version): openning a
raw file opens darktable and once you have finish to treat your photo in
darktable, closing darktable imports the photo in gimp... Ok.

But the result I had was awful: the image is to bright, without contrast
and the saturation is bad... A part of the treatment done in darktable
is to be done again

Does someone experienced the same problem?

Thank you.

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Re: [darktable-user] Color Lookup Tables

2018-01-04 Thread johannes hanika
On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 4:40 AM,   wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Jan 2018 10:25:18 +0100
> Tobias Ellinghaus  wrote:
>
>>
>>Same. The reason isn't that we don't know how to read such files but
>>that our LUT module is not a general CLUT tool but more complicated
>>and doing something else than just looking up numbers in a LUT. They
>>are just not compatible.
>
> Thanks for looking into it.

i suppose you could create a lut by processing a fake-chart through
your lut with gmic or so and then do the darktable-chart thing.. like
so: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_cLCL5PJk4 ?

cheers,
 jo

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Re: [darktable-user] Color Lookup Tables

2018-01-04 Thread darktable
On Thu, 04 Jan 2018 10:25:18 +0100
Tobias Ellinghaus  wrote:

>
>Same. The reason isn't that we don't know how to read such files but
>that our LUT module is not a general CLUT tool but more complicated
>and doing something else than just looking up numbers in a LUT. They
>are just not compatible.

Thanks for looking into it.

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Re: [darktable-user] PTI patch impact on DT performance = 0,5 %

2018-01-04 Thread Anton Aylward
On 04/01/18 03:58 AM, Pascal Obry wrote:
> Le jeudi 04 janvier 2018 à 09:27 +0100, Matthias Bodenbinder a écrit :
>> with PTI= avg. 14,2581 s
>> without PTI = avg. 14,1835 s
>> Difference  = 0,5 %
>>
>> The differnce is neglectable. It looks like DT performance is not
>> affected by the PTI patches.
> 
> Thanks for the figures, this is a relief!

Indeed. With that sample size its not really statistically significant.
If you have the individual run figures you might see if there is a significance
using Students-T
As it says at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Student%27s_t-test

The t-test can be used, for example, to determine
if two sets of data are significantly different from each other.

Or, re-run the test with 25, 50 or 100 trials :-)

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Re: [darktable-user] darktable 2.4.0 released

2018-01-04 Thread Tobias Ellinghaus
Am Donnerstag, 4. Januar 2018, 08:16:16 CET schrieb Frank J.:

[...]

> It grabbed also some entries in the database that are not visible in
> darktable. Maybe my database was corrupted in a crash?

Hard to tell without seeing the library.db in question.

> I removed them with parameter "-p".
> 
> Frank

Tobias

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Re: [darktable-user] Color Lookup Tables

2018-01-04 Thread Tobias Ellinghaus
Am Donnerstag, 4. Januar 2018, 02:18:29 CET schrieb darkta...@911networks.com:
> On Wed, 03 Jan 2018 22:55:42 +0100
> 
> Tobias Ellinghaus  wrote:
> >Am Mittwoch, 3. Januar 2018, 22:10:07 CET schrieb
> >
> >darkta...@911networks.com:
> >> DT 2.4.0
> >> 
> >> I have a few HaldCLUT pngs. How can I import them into the color
> >> lookup module?
> >
> >You can't. Those are not supported in darktable.
> 
> What about the 3DL, the text values?

Same. The reason isn't that we don't know how to read such files but that our 
LUT module is not a general CLUT tool but more complicated and doing something 
else than just looking up numbers in a LUT. They are just not compatible.

Tobias

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[darktable-user] Re: PTI patch impact on DT performance = 0,5 %

2018-01-04 Thread Torsten Bronger
Hallöchen!

Matthias Bodenbinder writes:

> [...]
> Difference  = 0,5 %

DB-intensive operations may be affected more heavily (e.g. mass
(re-)import of images).  Probably nothing to worry about, still.

Tschö,
Torsten.

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Re: [darktable-user] PTI patch impact on DT performance = 0,5 %

2018-01-04 Thread Pascal Obry
Le jeudi 04 janvier 2018 à 09:27 +0100, Matthias Bodenbinder a écrit :
> with PTI= avg. 14,2581 s
> without PTI = avg. 14,1835 s
> Difference  = 0,5 %
> 
> The differnce is neglectable. It looks like DT performance is not
> affected by the PTI patches.

Thanks for the figures, this is a relief!

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[darktable-user] PTI patch impact on DT performance = 0,5 %

2018-01-04 Thread Matthias Bodenbinder
Hi,

the new kernel 4.14.11 comes with the PTI patches. There are reports which 
indicate that these patches can have a severe performance impact (e.g. 
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux-415-x86pti&num=1)

I did some benchmarks with DT. I am using Manjaro with latest kernel 
4.14.11-1-MANJARO from testing repos. I am evaluating how long DT is processing 
the pixelpipe:

for d in $(seq 1 5); do
echo -n "run $d: "
darktable-cli bench.SRW test-$d.jpg --core --disable-opencl -d perf -d 
opencl | grep "processing took"
done

I did up to 15 runs with and without pti enabled (kernel parameter pti=off 
turns it off). The differences are neglectable:

with PTI= avg. 14,2581 s
without PTI = avg. 14,1835 s
Difference  = 0,5 %

The differnce is neglectable. It looks like DT performance is not affected by 
the PTI patches.

Matthias


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