Re: [darktable-user] Library / sidecars trouble

[Jean-Luc CECCOLI]

OK. That makes sense. Thanks for the explanations.

 

Regards,

 

J.-Luc

 

 

 

 

> Message du 11/09/16 10:06
> De : "Tobias Ellinghaus" 
> A : darktable-user@lists.darktable.org
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> Objet : Re: [darktable-user] Library / sidecars trouble
> 
> Am Sonntag, 11. September 2016, 00:03:35 CEST schrieb Jean-Luc CECCOLI:
> > > Message du 10/09/16 18:27
> > > De : "Tobias Ellinghaus"
> > > A : darktable-user@lists.darktable.org
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> > > Objet : Re: [darktable-user] Library / sidecars trouble
> > > 
> > > Am Samstag, 10. September 2016, 17:15:07 CEST schrieb Jean-Luc CECCOLI:
> > > > Hello,
> > 
> > .../...
> > 
> > > While the exported JPEGs contain the XMP data, darktable won't read them
> > > like that. What you should try is using the exiv2 command line tool with
> > > the "-pX" argument to extract the sidecar.
> > 
> > Well, I thought that importing the jpegs and then re-exporting as xml would
> > do it.
> > 
> > And, as I could notice, the result was a jpg.xml file per jpg file.
> > 
> > Isn't that meant to be enough ?
> 
> No. The XMP embedded in a file isn't used for its history. That would result 
> in 
> double processing when importing an image exported from dt.
> 
> > J.-Luc
> 
> Tobias
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Re: [darktable-user] Library / sidecars trouble

[Tobias Ellinghaus]

Am Sonntag, 11. September 2016, 00:03:35 CEST schrieb Jean-Luc CECCOLI:
> > Message du 10/09/16 18:27
> > De : "Tobias Ellinghaus"
> > A : darktable-user@lists.darktable.org
> > Copie à :
> > Objet : Re: [darktable-user] Library / sidecars trouble
> > 
> > Am Samstag, 10. September 2016, 17:15:07 CEST schrieb Jean-Luc CECCOLI:
> > > Hello,
> 
> .../...
> 
> > While the exported JPEGs contain the XMP data, darktable won't read them
> > like that. What you should try is using the exiv2 command line tool with
> > the "-pX" argument to extract the sidecar.
> 
> Well, I thought that importing the jpegs and then re-exporting as xml would
> do it.
> 
> And, as I could notice, the result was a jpg.xml file per jpg file.
> 
> Isn't that meant to be enough ?

No. The XMP embedded in a file isn't used for its history. That would result in 
double processing when importing an image exported from dt.

> J.-Luc

Tobias

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Re: [darktable-user] Library / sidecars trouble

[Michael]

I also don't like the use of the underscore to create a unique name. I
think that needs to be user defined. I want to use a period.

On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 8:05 PM, Michael  wrote:

> I think what would be best is to make overwrite a one time occurrence and
> to make a setting to allow it to be permanent. every of the time I want to
> overwrite I want it to be once.
>
> On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 2:33 PM,  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 10, 2016, at 08:15, Jean-Luc CECCOLI wrote:
>> > At this time, I realized that I had left the parmeter set to overwrite
>> instead of merge (or stack, I don't remember the english parameter).
>>
>> On the occasions when I use "overwrite" mode, I try to remember to set it
>> back to "append" immediately afterwards to avoid this kind of thing, but
>> hearing about this from other people makes me wonder:
>>
>> Would it make sense to create stronger separation between these two
>> operations, given the potentially destructive effects of using the wrong
>> one? Being able assign different keyboard shortcuts that always did one or
>> the other would present less "user surprise"... possibly even distinct
>> buttons instead of the selection drop-down? Just a thought.
>>
>> --
>> jys
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Re: [darktable-user] Library / sidecars trouble

[Michael]

I think what would be best is to make overwrite a one time occurrence and
to make a setting to allow it to be permanent. every of the time I want to
overwrite I want it to be once.

On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 2:33 PM,  wrote:

>
>
> On Sat, Sep 10, 2016, at 08:15, Jean-Luc CECCOLI wrote:
> > At this time, I realized that I had left the parmeter set to overwrite
> instead of merge (or stack, I don't remember the english parameter).
>
> On the occasions when I use "overwrite" mode, I try to remember to set it
> back to "append" immediately afterwards to avoid this kind of thing, but
> hearing about this from other people makes me wonder:
>
> Would it make sense to create stronger separation between these two
> operations, given the potentially destructive effects of using the wrong
> one? Being able assign different keyboard shortcuts that always did one or
> the other would present less "user surprise"... possibly even distinct
> buttons instead of the selection drop-down? Just a thought.
>
> --
> jys
> 
> 
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Re: [darktable-user] Library / sidecars trouble

[Jean-Luc CECCOLI]

> Message du 10/09/16 18:27
> De : "Tobias Ellinghaus" 
> A : darktable-user@lists.darktable.org
> Copie à : 
> Objet : Re: [darktable-user] Library / sidecars trouble
> 
> Am Samstag, 10. September 2016, 17:15:07 CEST schrieb Jean-Luc CECCOLI:
> > Hello,
> 
.../...
> 
> While the exported JPEGs contain the XMP data, darktable won't read them like 
> that. What you should try is using the exiv2 command line tool with the "-pX" 
> argument to extract the sidecar.
Well, I thought that importing the jpegs and then re-exporting as xml would do 
it.

And, as I could notice, the result was a jpg.xml file per jpg file.

Isn't that meant to be enough ?

 

J.-Luc


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Re: [darktable-user] Library / sidecars trouble

[junkyardsparkle]

On Sat, Sep 10, 2016, at 08:15, Jean-Luc CECCOLI wrote:
> At this time, I realized that I had left the parmeter set to overwrite 
> instead of merge (or stack, I don't remember the english parameter).

On the occasions when I use "overwrite" mode, I try to remember to set it back 
to "append" immediately afterwards to avoid this kind of thing, but hearing 
about this from other people makes me wonder:

Would it make sense to create stronger separation between these two operations, 
given the potentially destructive effects of using the wrong one? Being able 
assign different keyboard shortcuts that always did one or the other would 
present less "user surprise"... possibly even distinct buttons instead of the 
selection drop-down? Just a thought.

-- 
jys

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Re: [darktable-user] Library / sidecars trouble

[Tobias Ellinghaus]

Am Samstag, 10. September 2016, 17:15:07 CEST schrieb Jean-Luc CECCOLI:
> Hello,

Hi.

> I rencently wanted to merge some settings to a binch of photos.
> 
> I set everything to the first one, adjusted to fit my taste, then copy the
> selected values, and finally pasted those same values to over 1200 photos.
> 
> At this time, I realized that I had left the parmeter set to overwrite
> instead of merge (or stack, I don't remember the english parameter).
> 
> Anyway, I lost all the previous settings, which is terrible since I had
> spent over 5 hours (at least) to get the photos match what I wanted.

That is unfortunate. :-(

> No worry, I thought : I had exported them to jpeg, so it might be easy to
> retrieve the settings.
> 
> What I did :
> 
> 1- erase the entries from the current library
> 
> 2- close DT and rename the current library
> 
> 3- import the jpegs, save all as sidecars and close DT
> 
> 4- rename the sidecars from .jpg.xml to .nef.xml and replace those in the
> pictures' directory
> 
> 5- delete the newly created library and restore the previous one

While the exported JPEGs contain the XMP data, darktable won't read them like 
that. What you should try is using the exiv2 command line tool with the "-pX" 
argument to extract the sidecar.

> 6- open DT, re-import the folder containing my photos.
> 
> At this time, I expected to see the history for each photo, but, despites
> the fact all seem to display as before I overwrote instead of merging, the
> only entries in the history are Original and Orientation.
> 
> So, when I attempt to apply the new settings as I first wanted, they display
> over-over-over-exposed.
> 
> Any idea what I could have done wrong ?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> J.-Luc
> 
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[darktable-user] Library / sidecars trouble

[Jean-Luc CECCOLI]

Hello,

I rencently wanted to merge some settings to a binch of photos.

I set everything to the first one, adjusted to fit my taste, then copy the 
selected values, and finally pasted those same values to over 1200 photos.

At this time, I realized that I had left the parmeter set to overwrite instead 
of merge (or stack, I don't remember the english parameter).

Anyway, I lost all the previous settings, which is terrible since I had spent 
over 5 hours (at least) to get the photos match what I wanted.

No worry, I thought : I had exported them to jpeg, so it might be easy to 
retrieve the settings.

What I did :

1- erase the entries from the current library

2- close DT and rename the current library

3- import the jpegs, save all as sidecars and close DT

4- rename the sidecars from .jpg.xml to .nef.xml and replace those in the 
pictures' directory

5- delete the newly created library and restore the previous one

6- open DT, re-import the folder containing my photos.

At this time, I expected to see the history for each photo, but, despites the 
fact all seem to display as before I overwrote instead of merging, the only 
entries in the history are Original and Orientation.

So, when I attempt to apply the new settings as I first wanted, they display 
over-over-over-exposed.

Any idea what I could have done wrong ?

Regards,

J.-Luc


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