Re: [dash-dev] IP Cleanliness question

[Wayne Beaton]

I'm just happy to see all this open communication on the Dash dev list.

Wayne

On 04/24/2012 01:23 PM, Andrew Overholt wrote:
>> OK, I'll be the first to point out that you can't *ever* copy code
>> from GPL'd projects, and that GPL isn't OSS. ;)
> Hahahahahaha.
>
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Re: [dash-dev] IP Cleanliness question

[Andrew Overholt]

> OK, I'll be the first to point out that you can't *ever* copy code
> from GPL'd projects, and that GPL isn't OSS. ;)

Hahahahahaha.

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Re: [dash-dev] IP Cleanliness question

[Miles Parker]

On 2012-04-24, at 9:21 AM, Aaron Digulla wrote:

> 
> Zitat von Wayne Beaton :
> 
>> How is this not open?
> 
> As I said yesterday: It's not open because I can't simply copy code from 
> GPL'd projects or other OSS sources without causing a lot of trouble :-)

OK, I'll be the first to point out that you can't *ever* copy code from GPL'd 
projects, and that GPL isn't OSS. ;)
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Re: [dash-dev] IP Cleanliness question

[Aaron Digulla]

Zitat von Wayne Beaton :


How is this not open?


As I said yesterday: It's not open because I can't simply copy code  
from GPL'd projects or other OSS sources without causing a lot of  
trouble :-)


And since we all know human nature, we know it's just a matter of time  
until something will blow up.


I know that you can't change that; but at the same time, I will never  
be happy with legal issues creeping into my work. Try to bear my  
occasional sarcastic comment about this :-)


PS: It took the AROS project three years to select a "good" OSS  
license: We wrote our own ;-) Or rather modified the Mozilla license.  
At college, I took lessons in "Law and Data Privacy". I wrote an Amiga  
OS clone (while Amiga, Inc. was watching unhappily). I need to  
complain about legal stuff once in a while or I won't get 50...


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Re: [dash-dev] IP Cleanliness question

[Wayne Beaton]

Question is posted.

Wayne

On 04/24/2012 05:43 AM, Aaron Digulla wrote:
> Zitat von Wayne Beaton :
>
>> Right. That functionality is limited to Project Leads and PMC members.
>> Sorry about that.
>
> What have we learned yesterday? "open source" isn't that open after
> all ;-)
>
>> I guess that I'll have to pose the question.
>
> Thanks.
>
>> Can you give me some words to start from?
>
> Sure:
>
> -- cut --
>
> There was a request on the dash-dev mailing list how to handle the
> following situation: Copying code from public sources like Wikipedia,
> Stackoverflow or private blogs.
>
> To limit the scope of the discussion and kind of create a precedent,
> let's start with copying code from Stackoverflow. Stackoverflow.com is
> a site where all kinds of software developers share their knowledge.
>
> According to the rules of the site, all "user contributions licensed
> under cc-wiki with attribution required" (see the bottom of each page
> on http://stackoverflow.com/).
>
> "cc-wiki" means: "You are free to share - to copy, distribute and
> transmit the work -, to remix - to adapt the work - and to make
> commercial use of the work"
> (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/)
>
> "attribution required" means "You must attribute the work in the
> manner specified by the author or licensor (but not in any way that
> suggests that they endorse you or your use of the work)." Details can
> be found in this blog post:
> http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2009/06/attribution-required/
>
> The four rules mentioned there apply if you "copy" ("republish this
> content") the whole stackoverflow site - answers, questions, user
> data, everything. They don't make that much sense when just a piece of
> code is copied.
>
> For me, only the second rule makes sense in the context of "using code
> from stackoverflow.com in Eclipse projects": "Hyperlink directly to
> the original question"
>
> I read that as: Add a comment with a link to the place where you found
> the code that you copied/used as a template.
>
> Can you please verify this for any code published on
> stackoverflow.com? My main goal is to get a single all-time approval
> for code so Eclipse developers can use this great resource without
> causing thousands of tiny CQ requests.
>
> If this works well, I'd like to file similar requests for other public
> developer resources like, for example, Wikipedia.
>
> -- cut --
>
> Regards,
>

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Re: [dash-dev] IP Cleanliness question

[Wayne Beaton]

On 04/24/2012 05:43 AM, Aaron Digulla wrote:
> Zitat von Wayne Beaton :
>
>> Right. That functionality is limited to Project Leads and PMC members.
>> Sorry about that.
>
> What have we learned yesterday? "open source" isn't that open after
> all ;-)
>
>
Sorry... hot button item.

What is your definition of "open"?

We invite participation in the project. We have a level playing field
for those who want to participate.

We balance that with a well-defined policy for managing intellectual
property.

How is this not open?

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Re: [dash-dev] IP Cleanliness question

[Aaron Digulla]

Zitat von Wayne Beaton :


Right. That functionality is limited to Project Leads and PMC members.
Sorry about that.


What have we learned yesterday? "open source" isn't that open after all ;-)


I guess that I'll have to pose the question.


Thanks.


Can you give me some words to start from?


Sure:

-- cut --

There was a request on the dash-dev mailing list how to handle the  
following situation: Copying code from public sources like Wikipedia,  
Stackoverflow or private blogs.


To limit the scope of the discussion and kind of create a precedent,  
let's start with copying code from Stackoverflow. Stackoverflow.com is  
a site where all kinds of software developers share their knowledge.


According to the rules of the site, all "user contributions licensed  
under cc-wiki with attribution required" (see the bottom of each page  
on http://stackoverflow.com/).


"cc-wiki" means: "You are free to share - to copy, distribute and  
transmit the work -, to remix - to adapt the work - and to make  
commercial use of the work"  
(https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/)


"attribution required" means "You must attribute the work in the  
manner specified by the author or licensor (but not in any way that  
suggests that they endorse you or your use of the work)." Details can  
be found in this blog post:  
http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2009/06/attribution-required/


The four rules mentioned there apply if you "copy" ("republish this  
content") the whole stackoverflow site - answers, questions, user  
data, everything. They don't make that much sense when just a piece of  
code is copied.


For me, only the second rule makes sense in the context of "using code  
from stackoverflow.com in Eclipse projects": "Hyperlink directly to  
the original question"


I read that as: Add a comment with a link to the place where you found  
the code that you copied/used as a template.


Can you please verify this for any code published on  
stackoverflow.com? My main goal is to get a single all-time approval  
for code so Eclipse developers can use this great resource without  
causing thousands of tiny CQ requests.


If this works well, I'd like to file similar requests for other public  
developer resources like, for example, Wikipedia.


-- cut --

Regards,

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Follow me and I'll show you something beyond the limits."
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