Re: Is beagle completely dead now?

[Gabriel Burt]

I don't think anybody is actively working on beagle, but I wouldn't
call it dead.  It's still used by many people, and we're at least
keeping it runnable -- eg we had an update to adapt to new Mono.Sqlite
APIs upstream.  Feel free to work on it!

Gabriel

On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 6:53 AM, Johannes Rohr  wrote:
> Dear beagle hackers,
>
> since the mailing list is inactive I fear that beagle is now ultimately
> abandoned. Is this the case? If so, this really makes me sad.
>
> I have been using beagle daily for a number of years and I still find that
> there is no better desktop search available on Linux.
>
> Tracker is a disappointment. It supports very few data sources, is a cpu and
> memory hog, it is buggy, and its search results are very poor in quality,
> and I don't really see it making progress either.
>
> I got so used to beagle for quickly finding e-mail and files that I was
> saddened to see that Debian completely removed it from the archives, because
> development has stopped. Isn't there anyone anywhere willing to take over?
> There has been so much effort invested into beagle. In the end it was really
> stable, reliable and usable, that just letting it rot is such a wasteful
> thing to do...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Johannes
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Re: Is beagle completely dead now?

[Adam Tauno Williams]

On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 13:53 +0100, Johannes Rohr wrote: 
> Dear beagle hackers,
> since the mailing list is inactive I fear that beagle is now ultimately 
> abandoned. Is this the case? If so, this really makes me sad.
> I have been using beagle daily for a number of years and I still find 
> that there is no better desktop search available on Linux.
> Tracker is a disappointment. It supports very few data sources, is a cpu 
> and memory hog, it is buggy, and its search results are very poor in 
> quality, and I don't really see it making progress either.

I feel the same way;  I'd hoped Tracker could serve as a replacement for
Beagle but to call it a disappointment is an understatement.  

Score a big one for the anti-Mono-FUD-monster  [funny they used to go
on-an-on that Beagle was slow because it used Mono... then Beagle got
fast and Tracker still devours gobs of CPU to produce essentially no
result].

But in Tracker's defense Evolution has been changing significantly in
the past few revisions so Beagle doesn't work with it anymore either.
In time hopefully Evolution will settle down again and the Tracker
integration will improve.  Some really nice improvements are being made
to Evolution.

> I got so used to beagle for quickly finding e-mail and files that I was 
> saddened to see that Debian completely removed it from the archives, 
> because development has stopped. Isn't there anyone anywhere willing to 
> take over? There has been so much effort invested into beagle. In the 
> end it was really stable, reliable and usable, that just letting it rot 
> is such a wasteful thing to do...

If there are no developers that is what happens.  Pointing out that
there "should be" developers doesn't make them magically appear.

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Re: Is beagle completely dead now?

[Brian J. Murrell]

On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 13:28 -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> 
> I feel the same way;  I'd hoped Tracker could serve as a replacement for
> Beagle but to call it a disappointment is an understatement.  

Ditto.  I have continued to be disappointed by Tracker.  I've completely
removed it from my systems as it was actively blocking other
applications.  More trouble that it was worth.

Beagle was always very un-intrusive and always gave me great search
results.

Sad that it's moribund.  :-(

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Re: Is beagle completely dead now?

[Johannes Rohr]

Am Donnerstag, den 10.02.2011, 11:46 -0600 schrieb Gabriel Burt:

> I don't think anybody is actively working on beagle, but I wouldn't
> call it dead.  It's still used by many people, and we're at least
> keeping it runnable -- eg we had an update to adapt to new Mono.Sqlite
> APIs upstream.  Feel free to work on it!


I would love to, but unfortunately I am in no way qualified to do so. It
is good to hear that people are still using it, However, at least for
Debian users this has become very difficult since it was removed from
the repositories. Has it been updated to work with recent version of
Evolution? 

Thanks,

Johannes
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Re: Is beagle completely dead now?

[Jérôme]

Le vendredi 11 février 2011 à 13:28 -0500, Adam Tauno Williams a écrit :
> I feel the same way;  I'd hoped Tracker could serve as a replacement
> for
> Beagle but to call it a disappointment is an understatement.  
> 
> 

Recoll is a really better alternative remplacement of beagle. You can
index only with a cron or manually (like "locate"), so you don't waste
disk i/o

Also, Recoll index djvu documents (the best for scan archives, up to 10x
lighter than PDF scans), tracker not.


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plusieurs que ça pose problème."

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Re: Is beagle completely dead now?

[Brian J. Murrell]

On Sat, 2011-02-12 at 18:02 +0100, Jérôme wrote: 
> 
> Recoll is a really better alternative remplacement of beagle.

I don't want to start a holy war, but no it's not.  It doesn't index
instantly for one thing and it hammers the disk with periodic (i.e. from
cron) scans of entire filesystems just in case there is a change in one
or two files that need re-indexing.

Beagle would have the kernel tell it when a file was modified and
therefor only operated on files that were actually changed, when they
were changed, providing instantaneous search match results.

> You can
> index only with a cron

Right.  This is better than beagle?

> or manually (like "locate"), so you don't waste
> disk i/o

Or you could just do what Beagle did and get notifications of files that
were changed and have the best of both worlds.

> Also, Recoll index djvu documents (the best for scan archives, up to 10x
> lighter than PDF scans), tracker not.

How about evolution?  Does it do that?  I don't think it does.

Seriously, from what I have read about Recoll, it doesn't even compare
to Beagle.

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Re: Is beagle completely dead now?

[Ronald Liebman]

Brian,

This strikes me as a "Betamax" defense.  The world is full of
technologically superior products that failed for lack of some critical
non-technical component.  Beagle hasn't had any significant support in
over a year, and is becoming increasingly incompatible with other
applications that continue to evolve.  Recoll is soundly engineered, is
true to its own design criteria, and is dedicated to supporting its
end-users.  Perhaps we can all get behind contributing to the next
generation product.

Ron


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  On Sat, 2011-02-12 at 18:02 +0100, Jérôme wrote: 
  
  
Recoll is a really better alternative remplacement of beagle.

  
  
I don't want to start a holy war, but no it's not.  It doesn't index
instantly for one thing and it hammers the disk with periodic (i.e. from
cron) scans of entire filesystems just in case there is a change in one
or two files that need re-indexing.

Beagle would have the kernel tell it when a file was modified and
therefor only operated on files that were actually changed, when they
were changed, providing instantaneous search match results.

  
  
You can
index only with a cron

  
  
Right.  This is better than beagle?

  
  
or manually (like "locate"), so you don't waste
disk i/o

  
  
Or you could just do what Beagle did and get notifications of files that
were changed and have the best of both worlds.

  
  
Also, Recoll index djvu documents (the best for scan archives, up to 10x
lighter than PDF scans), tracker not.

  
  
How about evolution?  Does it do that?  I don't think it does.

Seriously, from what I have read about Recoll, it doesn't even compare
to Beagle.

b.


  
  

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Re: Is beagle completely dead now?

[Brian J. Murrell]

On Sat, 2011-02-12 at 16:12 -0600, Ronald Liebman wrote:
> Brian,

Hey Ron,

> This strikes me as a "Betamax" defense.

Whether Betamax won or lost the dominant video format war is really
quite orthogonal to whether it was better or not.  I don't honestly know
if it was better or not myself.  I constantly hear it was
technologically superior, but I was too young when that war was being
waged to have any firsthand experience.

> The world is full of technologically superior products that failed for
> lack of some critical non-technical component.

Sure.  But the point I was arguing was based on Recoll's technical
merits, not whether it is or isn't more popular or should or shouldn't
be.

> Recoll is soundly engineered, is true to its own design criteria, and
> is dedicated to supporting its end-users.

That may all be true, but it's still inferior (IMHO) to Beagle in the
category of instantly indexing and being friendly to the disk (and the
user).

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Re: Is beagle completely dead now?

[guido iodice]

Recoll is good, but is different from Tracker and Beagle and it does't
fit with GNOME desktop very good.

On the other hand, tracker 0.8 and 0.9 are pretty usable. I use it on
a PC and works well, also if Beagle was far better.

It is very sad that mono folks are so committed with applications like
f-spot or banshee, that have many good alternatives, or on mono-mac,
mono-iOS, mono-android mono-whatyouwant, while Beagle died.

In the past I appreciate beaglefs that could be the first step of a
next generation database-based filesystem. Now I use mono to cut my
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Re: Is beagle completely dead now?

[Joe Shaw]

Hi,

On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 4:44 PM, guido iodice  wrote:
> It is very sad that mono folks are so committed with applications like
> f-spot or banshee, that have many good alternatives, or on mono-mac,
> mono-iOS, mono-android mono-whatyouwant, while Beagle died.

I can't really blame them.  The GNOME landscape is (or at least, was)
*so hostile* toward Mono apps that I am surprised that Banshee or
F-Spot survived, frankly.  A major reason why I gave up on Beagle and
the whole Linux desktop itself was due to this attitude.  I guess the
developers of those apps are more thick skinned or resilient than I
was?  I don't know.

On the other hand, Mono on iOS, Android, etc. have all been warmly
welcomed by the communities that adopt them -- and they have much
larger user bases to boot.  Why wouldn't they target them?

> In the past I appreciate beaglefs that could be the first step of a
> next generation database-based filesystem. Now I use mono to cut my
> photos.

Thanks.  It was a lot of fun to work on over the years.

Joe
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Re: Is beagle completely dead now?

[Roger Lainson]

I've been using Beagle for a couple of years in a rather different way, 
which I guess is essentially GNOME-free. That is, I've been using 
beagled running on our small company server, with a couple of home-grown 
PHP pages to invoke beagle-query and parse its output. Works very well 
indeed, with a low server load - the point about beagled having the 
kernel tell it when a file is modified is a very important one, I think.


Unfortunately I can feel the cold breeze of Beagle's demise. Can anyone 
suggest an alternative for my purposes? Better still, would it be 
feasible to hive off beagled (and perhaps the web interface) as a 
*server-oriented* utility, for which there might be a significant 
demand? I came to Linux server (actually Ubuntu) to get away from 
Windows, and beagled was the best replacement I could find to MS indexer 
which plods away in the background - I can't be the only small system 
admin to want to do this! Unfortunately I'm a tinkerer, not a developer.


Cheers, Roger Lainson

Joe Shaw wrote on 14/02/11 09:55:

Hi,

On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 4:44 PM, guido iodice  wrote:
  

It is very sad that mono folks are so committed with applications like
f-spot or banshee, that have many good alternatives, or on mono-mac,
mono-iOS, mono-android mono-whatyouwant, while Beagle died.



I can't really blame them.  The GNOME landscape is (or at least, was)
*so hostile* toward Mono apps that I am surprised that Banshee or
F-Spot survived, frankly.  A major reason why I gave up on Beagle and
the whole Linux desktop itself was due to this attitude.  I guess the
developers of those apps are more thick skinned or resilient than I
was?  I don't know.

On the other hand, Mono on iOS, Android, etc. have all been warmly
welcomed by the communities that adopt them -- and they have much
larger user bases to boot.  Why wouldn't they target them?

  

In the past I appreciate beaglefs that could be the first step of a
next generation database-based filesystem. Now I use mono to cut my
photos.



Thanks.  It was a lot of fun to work on over the years.

Joe
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Re: Is beagle completely dead now?

[Adam Tauno Williams]

On Sun, 2011-02-13 at 17:55 -0500, Joe Shaw wrote: 
> On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 4:44 PM, guido iodice  wrote:
> > It is very sad that mono folks are so committed with applications like
> > f-spot or banshee, that have many good alternatives, or on mono-mac,
> > mono-iOS, mono-android mono-whatyouwant, while Beagle died.
> I can't really blame them.  The GNOME landscape is (or at least, was)
> *so hostile* toward Mono apps that I am surprised that Banshee or
> F-Spot survived, frankly.

+1 

F-Spot did recently get kicked-to-the-curb as default-photo-editor; and
by a less powerful and less mature alternative.  

Both F-Spot and Banshee are absolutely top-notch applications.  Don't
forget Tomboy as well, which seems to be surviving.

> A major reason why I gave up on Beagle and
> the whole Linux desktop itself was due to this attitude.  I guess the
> developers of those apps are more thick skinned or resilient than I
> was?  I don't know.

Time is also probably a factor, Beagle was AFAIK really the first
desktop Mono application of any note.  It was also ahead of its time as
a concept [I recall no shortage of long rambling posts about how it was
useless anyway].

> On the other hand, Mono on iOS, Android, etc. have all been warmly
> welcomed by the communities that adopt them -- and they have much
> larger user bases to boot.  Why wouldn't they target them?

They are proprietary platforms - so the zealots probably aren't as into
'defending' them.

> > In the past I appreciate beaglefs that could be the first step of a
> > next generation database-based filesystem. Now I use mono to cut my
> > photos.
> Thanks.  It was a lot of fun to work on over the years.

And very useful.

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Re: Is beagle completely dead now?

[Adam Tauno Williams]

On Mon, 2011-02-14 at 10:35 +1100, Roger Lainson wrote:
> I've been using Beagle for a couple of years in a rather different
> way, which I guess is essentially GNOME-free. That is, I've been using
> beagled running on our small company server, with a couple of
> home-grown PHP pages to invoke beagle-query and parse its output.
> Works very well indeed, with a low server load - the point about
> beagled having the kernel tell it when a file is modified is a very
> important one, I think.

I think the server space for indexing is already owned by Lucene.  That
is what most admins I talk to use on the server side.  I haven't dipped
by toes in that water yet. For non-text you have Solr


> Unfortunately I can feel the cold breeze of Beagle's demise. Can
> anyone suggest an alternative for my purposes? Better still, would it
> be feasible to hive off beagled (and perhaps the web interface) as a
> server-oriented utility, for which there might be a significant
> demand? 

It certainly seems possible.  I toyed with the idea once, but I don't
think you'd hit any kind of critical mass [and, personally, my time is
already consumed by other cool projects].

> I came to Linux server (actually Ubuntu) to get away from Windows, and
> beagled was the best replacement I could find to MS indexer which
> plods away in the background - I can't be the only small system admin
> to want to do this! Unfortunately I'm a tinkerer, not a developer.


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Re: Is beagle completely dead now?

[guido iodice]

2011/2/14 Adam Tauno Williams :


> Both F-Spot and Banshee are absolutely top-notch applications.  Don't
> forget Tomboy as well, which seems to be surviving.

I'm not in agree. Banshee is only a bit better tha Rhythmbox. RB with
some plugins is pretty feature-pair with Banshee.
About f-spot, it is true that Shotwell is a less mature software, but
it is *faster*.



>> On the other hand, Mono on iOS, Android, etc. have all been warmly
>> welcomed by the communities that adopt them -- and they have much
>> larger user bases to boot.  Why wouldn't they target them?
>
> They are proprietary platforms - so the zealots probably aren't as into
> 'defending' them.

Who are zealots? Are they the GNU project that releases GNU Emacs for
Windows, Mac, AIX, Solaris, Ultrix and even MS DOS?
Actually, labels like "zealot", "extremist" and so on, applied to some
people, are obsolete.
On the other hand, I know a zealot: he still loves Silverlight while
Microsoft loves html5/js/css3 now.

The point is different: really, I don't see any "warm" around mono.
This is simply because there is not a mono killer application. Beagle
could be it, because it was very much better that free and non-free
alternatives. The distance between Banshee and RB is short, the
distance between Beagle and alternatives was very long.

Mono is great as framework, I know. But today I can have a very good
desktop without it, if I want. But I cannot have a good desktop
without Python.
Do you see the point now?

> And very useful.

and amazing.
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Re: Is beagle completely dead now?

[Joe Shaw]

Hi Adam,

On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 6:36 AM, Adam Tauno Williams
 wrote:
>> A major reason why I gave up on Beagle and
>> the whole Linux desktop itself was due to this attitude.  I guess the
>> developers of those apps are more thick skinned or resilient than I
>> was?  I don't know.
>
> Time is also probably a factor, Beagle was AFAIK really the first
> desktop Mono application of any note.  It was also ahead of its time as
> a concept [I recall no shortage of long rambling posts about how it was
> useless anyway].

Indeed.  Writing a Mono application at the time was a... challenge.
Beagle surely had its own set of performance problems, and the tools
to profile and debug them were largely non-existent.  We even wrote a
few of them (heap-buddy, which has only recently been superseded by a
new built-in profiler).  I would have killed for a working debugger.
:)

When Beagle was started, the concept was actually pretty clear to us.
We weren't looking to create a Spotlight for Linux (indeed, Beagle was
first publicly demoed on the day Apple announced Spotlight) -- it was
really designed as a means to an end: Dashboard needed an index to
make intelligent queries against and get contextual clues.  Beagle
really grew out of that need, and became a user-centric tool.

Joe
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Re: Is beagle completely dead now?

[Lukas Lipka]

I don't mean to sound nostalgic, but back then Beagle was one of the
best and fun projects to hack on!

L.

On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Joe Shaw  wrote:
> Hi Adam,
>
> On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 6:36 AM, Adam Tauno Williams
>  wrote:
>>> A major reason why I gave up on Beagle and
>>> the whole Linux desktop itself was due to this attitude.  I guess the
>>> developers of those apps are more thick skinned or resilient than I
>>> was?  I don't know.
>>
>> Time is also probably a factor, Beagle was AFAIK really the first
>> desktop Mono application of any note.  It was also ahead of its time as
>> a concept [I recall no shortage of long rambling posts about how it was
>> useless anyway].
>
> Indeed.  Writing a Mono application at the time was a... challenge.
> Beagle surely had its own set of performance problems, and the tools
> to profile and debug them were largely non-existent.  We even wrote a
> few of them (heap-buddy, which has only recently been superseded by a
> new built-in profiler).  I would have killed for a working debugger.
> :)
>
> When Beagle was started, the concept was actually pretty clear to us.
> We weren't looking to create a Spotlight for Linux (indeed, Beagle was
> first publicly demoed on the day Apple announced Spotlight) -- it was
> really designed as a means to an end: Dashboard needed an index to
> make intelligent queries against and get contextual clues.  Beagle
> really grew out of that need, and became a user-centric tool.
>
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Re: Is beagle completely dead now?

[Joel Mandell]

I have always been following this project, and it meant so much for me cause
my desktop usually are a mess organization-wise.

BTW Wasn't it you lukas that made the "Holmes"-gui?

Would love to eventually fix the Evolution filter in Util/Evolution.cs. I
can send patches to dbera right?

peace!
-joel m aka dikatlon

On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Lukas Lipka  wrote:

> I don't mean to sound nostalgic, but back then Beagle was one of the
> best and fun projects to hack on!
>
> L.
>
> On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Joe Shaw  wrote:
> > Hi Adam,
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 6:36 AM, Adam Tauno Williams
> >  wrote:
> >>> A major reason why I gave up on Beagle and
> >>> the whole Linux desktop itself was due to this attitude.  I guess the
> >>> developers of those apps are more thick skinned or resilient than I
> >>> was?  I don't know.
> >>
> >> Time is also probably a factor, Beagle was AFAIK really the first
> >> desktop Mono application of any note.  It was also ahead of its time as
> >> a concept [I recall no shortage of long rambling posts about how it was
> >> useless anyway].
> >
> > Indeed.  Writing a Mono application at the time was a... challenge.
> > Beagle surely had its own set of performance problems, and the tools
> > to profile and debug them were largely non-existent.  We even wrote a
> > few of them (heap-buddy, which has only recently been superseded by a
> > new built-in profiler).  I would have killed for a working debugger.
> > :)
> >
> > When Beagle was started, the concept was actually pretty clear to us.
> > We weren't looking to create a Spotlight for Linux (indeed, Beagle was
> > first publicly demoed on the day Apple announced Spotlight) -- it was
> > really designed as a means to an end: Dashboard needed an index to
> > make intelligent queries against and get contextual clues.  Beagle
> > really grew out of that need, and became a user-centric tool.
> >
> > Joe
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Re: Is beagle completely dead now?

[Joe Shaw]

Hi,

On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Joel Mandell  wrote:
> Would love to eventually fix the Evolution filter in Util/Evolution.cs. I
> can send patches to dbera right?

You can send patches to the list.  I think I wrote the Evolution stuff
back in the day, so I might be able to remember some of the details.
:)

At this point there's nobody really maintaining it, and the current
Evo stuff is old and broken so as long as you've tested it and feel
good about the code, go ahead and push it AFAIAC.

Thanks,
Joe

>
> peace!
> -joel m aka dikatlon
>
> On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Lukas Lipka  wrote:
>>
>> I don't mean to sound nostalgic, but back then Beagle was one of the
>> best and fun projects to hack on!
>>
>> L.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Joe Shaw  wrote:
>> > Hi Adam,
>> >
>> > On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 6:36 AM, Adam Tauno Williams
>> >  wrote:
>> >>> A major reason why I gave up on Beagle and
>> >>> the whole Linux desktop itself was due to this attitude.  I guess the
>> >>> developers of those apps are more thick skinned or resilient than I
>> >>> was?  I don't know.
>> >>
>> >> Time is also probably a factor, Beagle was AFAIK really the first
>> >> desktop Mono application of any note.  It was also ahead of its time as
>> >> a concept [I recall no shortage of long rambling posts about how it was
>> >> useless anyway].
>> >
>> > Indeed.  Writing a Mono application at the time was a... challenge.
>> > Beagle surely had its own set of performance problems, and the tools
>> > to profile and debug them were largely non-existent.  We even wrote a
>> > few of them (heap-buddy, which has only recently been superseded by a
>> > new built-in profiler).  I would have killed for a working debugger.
>> > :)
>> >
>> > When Beagle was started, the concept was actually pretty clear to us.
>> > We weren't looking to create a Spotlight for Linux (indeed, Beagle was
>> > first publicly demoed on the day Apple announced Spotlight) -- it was
>> > really designed as a means to an end: Dashboard needed an index to
>> > make intelligent queries against and get contextual clues.  Beagle
>> > really grew out of that need, and became a user-centric tool.
>> >
>> > Joe
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Re: Is beagle completely dead now?

[Joel Mandell]

Allright, thanks for the pointer!

I really like this codesnippet in Evolution.cs:

 "

foreach (string shit in crap)
folder_path = folder_path.Replace (shit, "");

"

:=)

On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 10:50 PM, Joe Shaw  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Joel Mandell 
> wrote:
> > Would love to eventually fix the Evolution filter in Util/Evolution.cs. I
> > can send patches to dbera right?
>
> You can send patches to the list.  I think I wrote the Evolution stuff
> back in the day, so I might be able to remember some of the details.
> :)
>
> At this point there's nobody really maintaining it, and the current
> Evo stuff is old and broken so as long as you've tested it and feel
> good about the code, go ahead and push it AFAIAC.
>
> Thanks,
> Joe
>
> >
> > peace!
> > -joel m aka dikatlon
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Lukas Lipka 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I don't mean to sound nostalgic, but back then Beagle was one of the
> >> best and fun projects to hack on!
> >>
> >> L.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Joe Shaw  wrote:
> >> > Hi Adam,
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 6:36 AM, Adam Tauno Williams
> >> >  wrote:
> >> >>> A major reason why I gave up on Beagle and
> >> >>> the whole Linux desktop itself was due to this attitude.  I guess
> the
> >> >>> developers of those apps are more thick skinned or resilient than I
> >> >>> was?  I don't know.
> >> >>
> >> >> Time is also probably a factor, Beagle was AFAIK really the first
> >> >> desktop Mono application of any note.  It was also ahead of its time
> as
> >> >> a concept [I recall no shortage of long rambling posts about how it
> was
> >> >> useless anyway].
> >> >
> >> > Indeed.  Writing a Mono application at the time was a... challenge.
> >> > Beagle surely had its own set of performance problems, and the tools
> >> > to profile and debug them were largely non-existent.  We even wrote a
> >> > few of them (heap-buddy, which has only recently been superseded by a
> >> > new built-in profiler).  I would have killed for a working debugger.
> >> > :)
> >> >
> >> > When Beagle was started, the concept was actually pretty clear to us.
> >> > We weren't looking to create a Spotlight for Linux (indeed, Beagle was
> >> > first publicly demoed on the day Apple announced Spotlight) -- it was
> >> > really designed as a means to an end: Dashboard needed an index to
> >> > make intelligent queries against and get contextual clues.  Beagle
> >> > really grew out of that need, and became a user-centric tool.
> >> >
> >> > Joe
> >> > ___
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> >> > dashboard-hackers@gnome.org
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> >
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Re: Is beagle completely dead now?

[Joe Shaw]

Haha, that one was not me. :)

Joe

On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 5:10 PM, Joel Mandell  wrote:
> Allright, thanks for the pointer!
>
> I really like this codesnippet in Evolution.cs:
>
>  "
>
>   foreach (string shit in crap)
>
>   folder_path = folder_path.Replace (shit, "");
>
>
> "
>
> :=)
>
> On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 10:50 PM, Joe Shaw  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Joel Mandell 
>> wrote:
>> > Would love to eventually fix the Evolution filter in Util/Evolution.cs.
>> > I
>> > can send patches to dbera right?
>>
>> You can send patches to the list.  I think I wrote the Evolution stuff
>> back in the day, so I might be able to remember some of the details.
>> :)
>>
>> At this point there's nobody really maintaining it, and the current
>> Evo stuff is old and broken so as long as you've tested it and feel
>> good about the code, go ahead and push it AFAIAC.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Joe
>>
>> >
>> > peace!
>> > -joel m aka dikatlon
>> >
>> > On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Lukas Lipka 
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I don't mean to sound nostalgic, but back then Beagle was one of the
>> >> best and fun projects to hack on!
>> >>
>> >> L.
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Joe Shaw  wrote:
>> >> > Hi Adam,
>> >> >
>> >> > On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 6:36 AM, Adam Tauno Williams
>> >> >  wrote:
>> >> >>> A major reason why I gave up on Beagle and
>> >> >>> the whole Linux desktop itself was due to this attitude.  I guess
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >>> developers of those apps are more thick skinned or resilient than I
>> >> >>> was?  I don't know.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Time is also probably a factor, Beagle was AFAIK really the first
>> >> >> desktop Mono application of any note.  It was also ahead of its time
>> >> >> as
>> >> >> a concept [I recall no shortage of long rambling posts about how it
>> >> >> was
>> >> >> useless anyway].
>> >> >
>> >> > Indeed.  Writing a Mono application at the time was a... challenge.
>> >> > Beagle surely had its own set of performance problems, and the tools
>> >> > to profile and debug them were largely non-existent.  We even wrote a
>> >> > few of them (heap-buddy, which has only recently been superseded by a
>> >> > new built-in profiler).  I would have killed for a working debugger.
>> >> > :)
>> >> >
>> >> > When Beagle was started, the concept was actually pretty clear to us.
>> >> > We weren't looking to create a Spotlight for Linux (indeed, Beagle
>> >> > was
>> >> > first publicly demoed on the day Apple announced Spotlight) -- it was
>> >> > really designed as a means to an end: Dashboard needed an index to
>> >> > make intelligent queries against and get contextual clues.  Beagle
>> >> > really grew out of that need, and became a user-centric tool.
>> >> >
>> >> > Joe
>> >> > ___
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>> >> > dashboard-hackers@gnome.org
>> >> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dashboard-hackers
>> >> >
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>> >
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>> > http://www.openzource.org
>> >
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Re: Is beagle completely dead now?

[Arun Raghavan]

On 10 February 2011 23:16, Gabriel Burt  wrote:
> I don't think anybody is actively working on beagle, but I wouldn't
> call it dead.  It's still used by many people, and we're at least
> keeping it runnable -- eg we had an update to adapt to new Mono.Sqlite
> APIs upstream.  Feel free to work on it!

Speaking of runnable, I've pushed a couple of build/crasher patches
that were in Bugzilla that Pacho's been shipping in Gentoo.

Cheers,
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Re: Is beagle completely dead now?

[DZ]

Brian J. Murrell  wrote:
>> Recoll is a really better alternative remplacement of beagle.
>
> I don't want to start a holy war, but no it's not.  It doesn't index
> instantly for one thing and it hammers the disk with periodic (i.e. from
> cron) scans of entire filesystems just in case there is a change in one
> or two files that need re-indexing.

"If option -m is given, recollindex is started for real time
monitoring, using the file system monitoring package it was configured
for (either fam, gamin, or inotify)." (from 'man recollindex')

> How about evolution?  Does it do that?  I don't think it does.

I use recoll to index IMAP emails downloaded with kmail, and it is
likely to work with evolution just the same. It works very well and
indexes not only email text but also documents attached to emails
(e.g. content of PDF attachments).

I do miss beagle but I stopped using it a few months ago because it
would always stop returning any search results at some random point
until I remove its database and reindex.

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