Re: anybody working/supporting beagle?

2010-01-22 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
On Thu, 2010-01-21 at 16:13 -0800, Amish Shah wrote:
 If I have questions about how to do things, above and beyond the
 pretty good documentation, am I likely to get answers on this forum?
 How responsive has Novell been about bug fixes? 
 Or am I better of with tracker which seems like its actively
 supported, even though probably a bit less mature than beagle? 

It seems to me that the future is Tracker [which is sad, the world
doesn't need any more unmanaged code. Ick!]  Most significantly Tracker
will almost certainly be integrated with the GNOME Activity Journal
http://live.gnome.org/action/show/GnomeActivityJournal which means, at
some point, it will be included in GNOME [displacing Beagle?]

BTW, I love Beagle - it is a massive improvement over 'managing files'.
But, at least for me, it has stopped working.  Since I last updated Mono
it just churns out a lot of -
---
20100122 06:15:13.6246 10662 Beagle ERROR EX:   at
System.Reflection.MonoCMethod.Invoke (System.Object obj, BindingFlags
invokeAttr, System.Reflection.Binder binder, System.Object[] parameters,
System.Globalization.CultureInfo culture) [0x0] in filename
unknown:0 
20100122 06:15:13.6246 10662 Beagle ERROR EX:   at
System.Reflection.MonoCMethod.Invoke (BindingFlags invokeAttr,
System.Reflection.Binder binder, System.Object[] parameters,
System.Globalization.CultureInfo culture) [0x0] in filename
unknown:0 
20100122 06:15:13.6246 10662 Beagle ERROR EX:   at
System.Reflection.ConstructorInfo.Invoke (System.Object[] parameters)
[0x0] in filename unknown:0 
20100122 06:15:13.6246 10662 Beagle ERROR EX:   at
System.Activator.CreateInstance (System.Type type, Boolean nonPublic)
[0x0] in filename unknown:0 
20100122 06:15:13.6246 10662 Beagle ERROR EX:   at
System.Activator.CreateInstance (System.Type type) [0x0] in
filename unknown:0 
20100122 06:15:13.6246 10662 Beagle ERROR EX:   at
Beagle.Daemon.QueryDriver.ScanAssemblyForQueryables
(System.Reflection.Assembly assembly) [0x0] in filename unknown:0

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Re: anybody working/supporting beagle?

2010-01-22 Thread Joe Shaw
Hi,

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 7:13 PM, Amish Shah am...@kakai.com wrote:
 If I have questions about how to do things, above and beyond the pretty good
 documentation, am I likely to get answers on this forum? How responsive has
 Novell been about bug fixes?

I will certainly try to answer any questions you have, but if things
require development, you're on your own for that.  (Although, again, I
can provide some guidance.)

Novell has not been very responsive to bug fixes, although I am sure
that is different if you are a customer of theirs. :)

 Or am I better of with tracker which seems like its actively supported, even
 though probably a bit less mature than beagle?

I would say it depends on what you want to do, and how much time and
effort you are willing to invest in development, if any.  At this
point, Tracker has a lot more development going on it.

Joe
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Re: anybody working/supporting beagle?

2010-01-22 Thread Joe Shaw
Hi,

On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 6:19 AM, Adam Tauno Williams
awill...@whitemice.org wrote:
 BTW, I love Beagle - it is a massive improvement over 'managing files'.
 But, at least for me, it has stopped working.  Since I last updated Mono
 it just churns out a lot of -
 ---
 20100122 06:15:13.6246 10662 Beagle ERROR EX:   at
 System.Reflection.MonoCMethod.Invoke (System.Object obj, BindingFlags
 invokeAttr, System.Reflection.Binder binder, System.Object[] parameters,
 System.Globalization.CultureInfo culture) [0x0] in filename
 unknown:0

This doesn't look like the complete stack trace.  Or, at least, there
isn't the exception message included.  Can you provide that?
Hopefully it's something simple.

Joe
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Re: anybody working/supporting beagle?

2010-01-22 Thread Amish Shah
To start with:

We will probably be writing a back-end to talk to postgres. Seems like the
current backend for html files doesn't analysis all the content of the html
files. Also, we want to add some more file attributes to the index
repository during indexing.

Eventually, we'd like to implement autosuggest.

I took a look a the code, and it seems very readable, so I'm a bit more
comfortable with beagle.

Regarding Novell, is there a commercial license for Beagle present? Is it
required or it something one can buy for support :)

thanks
Amish


On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 7:59 AM, Joe Shaw j...@joeshaw.org wrote:

 Hi,

 On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 6:19 AM, Adam Tauno Williams
 awill...@whitemice.org wrote:
  BTW, I love Beagle - it is a massive improvement over 'managing files'.
  But, at least for me, it has stopped working.  Since I last updated Mono
  it just churns out a lot of -
  ---
  20100122 06:15:13.6246 10662 Beagle ERROR EX:   at
  System.Reflection.MonoCMethod.Invoke (System.Object obj, BindingFlags
  invokeAttr, System.Reflection.Binder binder, System.Object[] parameters,
  System.Globalization.CultureInfo culture) [0x0] in filename
  unknown:0

 This doesn't look like the complete stack trace.  Or, at least, there
 isn't the exception message included.  Can you provide that?
 Hopefully it's something simple.

 Joe
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Re: anybody working/supporting beagle?

2010-01-22 Thread Joe Shaw
Hi,

On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Amish Shah am...@kakai.com wrote:
 We will probably be writing a back-end to talk to postgres. Seems like the
 current backend for html files doesn't analysis all the content of the html
 files. Also, we want to add some more file attributes to the index
 repository during indexing.

Ok.  There are two concepts at play here: a backend, which is
basically a data source.  The file system is an example of a backend,
and it seems like postgres would also be a backend.  There is also a
filter, which is code that extracts data and metadata from an item
from a backend.  So there is an HTML filter which pulls the data out
of it.  Both backends and filters can add attributes to the document
that is written to the index.

I'm not sure what you mean when you say that HTML files don't analyze
all the content.  There is a limit of the number of tokens indexed.  I
forget what the number is, but it's something like 2,000 or 10,000 or
50,000.  Something like that.  If you think you're going to need more
indexed than that, you'll want to bump that limit.

 Eventually, we'd like to implement autosuggest.

That'd be great!

 Regarding Novell, is there a commercial license for Beagle present? Is it
 required or it something one can buy for support :)

Hopefully someone from Novell on the list can chime in on this. :)

Joe
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Re: anybody working/supporting beagle?

2010-01-22 Thread Gabriel Burt
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Joe Shaw j...@joeshaw.org wrote:
 On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Amish Shah am...@kakai.com wrote:
 Regarding Novell, is there a commercial license for Beagle present? Is it
 required or it something one can buy for support :)

 Hopefully someone from Novell on the list can chime in on this. :)

There is no license or support contract for Beagle directly;  I
believe the way to get Novell to support Beagle for you is by being a
customer of SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop
(http://www.novell.com/products/desktop/) and filing a Service
Request, or by filing a bug on bugzilla.novell.com.

Gabriel
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Re: anybody working/supporting beagle?

2010-01-21 Thread Joe Shaw
Hi,

Beagle isn't in active development.  It is getting some occasional
maintenance done by Novell.

Joe

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Amish Shah am...@kakai.com wrote:
 Hi,

 How active is this project? I'm doing a comparison between beagle and
 tracker trying to decide which meta search engine to use. Beagle seems
 great, but kind of inactive especially lately.

 thanks
 Amish

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Re: anybody working/supporting beagle?

2010-01-21 Thread Amish Shah
If I have questions about how to do things, above and beyond the pretty good
documentation, am I likely to get answers on this forum? How responsive has
Novell been about bug fixes?

Or am I better of with tracker which seems like its actively supported, even
though probably a bit less mature than beagle?

thanks
Amish

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Joe Shaw j...@joeshaw.org wrote:

 Hi,

 Beagle isn't in active development.  It is getting some occasional
 maintenance done by Novell.

 Joe

 On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Amish Shah am...@kakai.com wrote:
  Hi,
 
  How active is this project? I'm doing a comparison between beagle and
  tracker trying to decide which meta search engine to use. Beagle seems
  great, but kind of inactive especially lately.
 
  thanks
  Amish
 
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