Re: [datameet] ANN: Opening of 7,00,000+ Rural Points of Interests Data

[Harsh Nisar]

Hi,

The definitions were purposely kept lose as the primary focus of the 
datasets was to aid *local *selection of roads for a government programme. 
In such cases; the consistency of definitions within a block/district/state 
was assumed more important than having it consistent across geographies. 
The primary focus isn't a comparative census.

So the definitions are as assumed by the JE/AE (frontline road engineers) 
residing in the Block or in some states they borrowed from census. But 
there isn't a documented consistency. But, the variance in high schools 
will be minimal versus say agro industry.

The generic list of facilities to be surveyed are in the guidelines 
document Annexure 1 Pg 37.

We are in process of getting a dataset FAQ uploaded on ommas.

Regards,
Harsh

On Monday, 30 November 2020 at 17:54:01 UTC+5:30 krit...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Harsh, All; 
>
> Thank you for pointing this dataset out and storing it in an easy to 
> access location. It looks super useful. 
>
> I was trying to find how exactly they've classified schools and hospitals 
> and couldn't find anything in this PMGSY documentation 
> .  For 
> example the census 2011 documents what constitutes a high school and a 
> higher secondary school for example here 
> .
>   
> I wonder if they've used the same definitions for schools and hospitals as 
> the census? Does anyone have any information on how they've chosen what 
> public facilities to document or is it pretty ad hoc as Harsh had indicated 
> in the opening post on this thread?
>
> Regards,
> Kritarth Jha
>
>
> On Saturday, 28 November 2020 at 11:44:41 UTC+5:30 Arun Ganesh wrote:
>
>> Btw, Bhanu and I have made some great progress matching the LGD codes in 
>> the last hour. 100% of districts matched and it looks like the PMGSY 
>> district names are definitely older (eg. Allahabad vs Prayagraj).
>>
>> Down to 1539 unmatched blocks which can be finished with some help. Feel 
>> free to request access to above sheet if you would like to help out. 
>> Instructions on column I & H. You basically need to copy and paste the 
>> matching lookup key from the lgd block sheet to the pmgsy sheet.
>>
>

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Re: [datameet] DOS release Remote Sensing Policy 2020 draft for public comment

[Thejesh GN]

I have added introduction section. Feel free to edit.

https://hackmd.io/@thejeshgn/rJNzVAyoD

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On Thu, 3 Dec 2020 at 01:02, Thejesh GN  wrote:

> I have added a document here
>
> https://hackmd.io/@thejeshgn/rJNzVAyoD
>
> Anyone can login and edit or comment.
>
> I can close the editing on 9th or 10th so we can send it in time
>
> I have added sections for each chapter. You can add comments there.
>
> Let's do this.
>
>
>
> Thej
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>
>
> On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 18:46, Sharad Lele (शरच्चंद्र लेले) <
> sharad.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Ved,
>>
>> I agree that may be the reason. But I am wondering if it is a good enough
>> reason. In all new technologies, state agencies have the capacity and the
>> onus to take risks and carry out R that will speed up their deployment,
>> iron out kinks and concerns, ensure that the technologies become accessible
>> for the right uses and to the weaker sections of society that may not be
>> able to afford commercial ones, and to state agencies working for the
>> public good. Since drone-based RS is indeed a cutting edge technology, I
>> was hoping the policy would take cognizance of that and propose positive
>> steps to engage with it, to build it up, and make it available. (The way
>> govt did for satellite based RS).
>>
>> Sharad
>>
>> On 27-11-2020 22:50, Ved Kolhatkar wrote:
>>
>> I think the reason why Department of Space might not be commenting much
>> on drones or UAV for that matter is that,in India drones are mainly used
>> for strategic purposes in order to fortify India's defences . Commercial
>> use of drone requires registration in India which could be a bit tedious
>> process and even when one registers they have to follow  rules and
>> regulations which if are violated comes with a penalty. Even though India
>> does not outright ban the commercial use of drones . It still requires a
>> person who is licenced to fly a drone. Another reason might be that
>> operating and using a drone is not a cheap affair which means it cant be
>> afforded by all. No doubt UAV/drones are cutting edge technology. If at all
>> there are more relaxations to usage of drones/UAV in terms of rules and
>> regulations, its cost etc we will definitely see a rise in data being
>> available to public not just by data enthusiasts but also through
>> official channels.
>>
>> On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 at 22:14, Sharad Lele  wrote:
>>
>>> I agree with you, Ujaval. Getting 5.6m data in the public domain will be
>>> a big boost.
>>>
>>> But I am curious to know from others what their experience has been with
>>> the quality of this 5.6m (IRS P6) data. For instance, I found the spectral
>>> quality to be rather poor: it boasts of being 10-bit but all the data are
>>> clustered in a 7-bit space. So we had to go back to coarser Landsat-8
>>> because it gave better spectral quality (not just more bands).
>>>
>>> On the rest of the policy: I am wondering why they say nothing about
>>> drones, about UAV-based LIDAR, and so on, which are really the cutting-edge
>>> these days, are they not?
>>>
>>> Sharad
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 8:13:01 PM UTC+5:30
>>> uja...@spatialthoughts.com wrote:
>>>
 Hi Sharad,

 Thanks for sharing. From the perspective of sharing ISRO's own data,
 the policy says

 " In the interest of promoting research, innovation, societal
 applications and value addition, DOS shall make IRS satellite data having
 GSD of 5 meter and coarser, easily accessible on ‘free and open’ basis. "

 I think this is really good. As the best open remote sensing
 multispectral data currently is Sentinel-2 (10m), ISRO sharing LISS4 (5.6m)
 data puts them ahead of USGS and ESA. Of course, the concern would be the
 implementation and how fast they can make that data available. My comment
 here would that they adopt a true open data license for this data, like
 Government Open Data License.

 [image: Logo] 
 Ujaval Gandhi
 Spatial Thoughts
 mobile: +91-8095684687 <+91%2080956%2084687>
 email: uja...@spatialthoughts.com
 [image: LinkedIn icon]   
 [image:
 Twitter icon] 




 On Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 7:33 PM Thejesh GN  wrote:

> Thank you for sharing. We should send out comments as community.
> Thej
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>
> On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 at 19:30, Sharad Lele (शरच्चंद्र लेले) <
> shara...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Please read and comment.
>>
>>
>> https://www.isro.gov.in/sites/default/files/spacers_policy_ngp_2020_draft.pdf
>>
>> Sharad
>>
>> --

Re: [datameet] DOS release Remote Sensing Policy 2020 draft for public comment

[Thejesh GN]

I have added a document here

https://hackmd.io/@thejeshgn/rJNzVAyoD

Anyone can login and edit or comment.

I can close the editing on 9th or 10th so we can send it in time

I have added sections for each chapter. You can add comments there.

Let's do this.



Thej
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On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 18:46, Sharad Lele (शरच्चंद्र लेले) <
sharad.l...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Ved,
>
> I agree that may be the reason. But I am wondering if it is a good enough
> reason. In all new technologies, state agencies have the capacity and the
> onus to take risks and carry out R that will speed up their deployment,
> iron out kinks and concerns, ensure that the technologies become accessible
> for the right uses and to the weaker sections of society that may not be
> able to afford commercial ones, and to state agencies working for the
> public good. Since drone-based RS is indeed a cutting edge technology, I
> was hoping the policy would take cognizance of that and propose positive
> steps to engage with it, to build it up, and make it available. (The way
> govt did for satellite based RS).
>
> Sharad
>
> On 27-11-2020 22:50, Ved Kolhatkar wrote:
>
> I think the reason why Department of Space might not be commenting much on
> drones or UAV for that matter is that,in India drones are mainly used for
> strategic purposes in order to fortify India's defences . Commercial use of
> drone requires registration in India which could be a bit tedious process
> and even when one registers they have to follow  rules and regulations
> which if are violated comes with a penalty. Even though India does not
> outright ban the commercial use of drones . It still requires a person who
> is licenced to fly a drone. Another reason might be that operating and
> using a drone is not a cheap affair which means it cant be afforded by all.
> No doubt UAV/drones are cutting edge technology. If at all there are more
> relaxations to usage of drones/UAV in terms of rules and regulations, its
> cost etc we will definitely see a rise in data being available to public
> not just by data enthusiasts but also through official channels.
>
> On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 at 22:14, Sharad Lele  wrote:
>
>> I agree with you, Ujaval. Getting 5.6m data in the public domain will be
>> a big boost.
>>
>> But I am curious to know from others what their experience has been with
>> the quality of this 5.6m (IRS P6) data. For instance, I found the spectral
>> quality to be rather poor: it boasts of being 10-bit but all the data are
>> clustered in a 7-bit space. So we had to go back to coarser Landsat-8
>> because it gave better spectral quality (not just more bands).
>>
>> On the rest of the policy: I am wondering why they say nothing about
>> drones, about UAV-based LIDAR, and so on, which are really the cutting-edge
>> these days, are they not?
>>
>> Sharad
>>
>> On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 8:13:01 PM UTC+5:30
>> uja...@spatialthoughts.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Sharad,
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing. From the perspective of sharing ISRO's own data, the
>>> policy says
>>>
>>> " In the interest of promoting research, innovation, societal
>>> applications and value addition, DOS shall make IRS satellite data having
>>> GSD of 5 meter and coarser, easily accessible on ‘free and open’ basis. "
>>>
>>> I think this is really good. As the best open remote sensing
>>> multispectral data currently is Sentinel-2 (10m), ISRO sharing LISS4 (5.6m)
>>> data puts them ahead of USGS and ESA. Of course, the concern would be the
>>> implementation and how fast they can make that data available. My comment
>>> here would that they adopt a true open data license for this data, like
>>> Government Open Data License.
>>>
>>> [image: Logo] 
>>> Ujaval Gandhi
>>> Spatial Thoughts
>>> mobile: +91-8095684687 <+91%2080956%2084687>
>>> email: uja...@spatialthoughts.com
>>> [image: LinkedIn icon]   
>>> [image:
>>> Twitter icon] 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 7:33 PM Thejesh GN  wrote:
>>>
 Thank you for sharing. We should send out comments as community.
 Thej
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 On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 at 19:30, Sharad Lele (शरच्चंद्र लेले) <
 shara...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Please read and comment.
>
>
> https://www.isro.gov.in/sites/default/files/spacers_policy_ngp_2020_draft.pdf
>
> Sharad
>
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Re: [datameet] DOS release Remote Sensing Policy 2020 draft for public comment

[शरच्चंद्र लेले]

Dear Ved,

I agree that may be the reason. But I am wondering if it is a good 
enough reason. In all new technologies, state agencies have the capacity 
and the onus to take risks and carry out R that will speed up their 
deployment, iron out kinks and concerns, ensure that the technologies 
become accessible for the right uses and to the weaker sections of 
society that may not be able to afford commercial ones, and to state 
agencies working for the public good. Since drone-based RS is indeed a 
cutting edge technology, I was hoping the policy would take cognizance 
of that and propose positive steps to engage with it, to build it up, 
and make it available. (The way govt did for satellite based RS).


Sharad


On 27-11-2020 22:50, Ved Kolhatkar wrote:
I think the reason why Department of Space might not be commenting 
much on drones or UAV for that matter is that,in India drones are 
mainly used for strategic purposes in order to fortify India's 
defences . Commercial use of drone requires registration in India 
which could be a bit tedious process and even when one registers they 
have to follow  rules and regulations which if are violated comes with 
a penalty. Even though India does not outright ban the commercial use 
of drones . It still requires a person who is licenced to fly a drone. 
Another reason might be that operating and using a drone is not a 
cheap affair which means it cant be afforded by all. No doubt 
UAV/drones are cutting edge technology. If at all there are more 
relaxations to usage of drones/UAV in terms of rules and regulations, 
its cost etc we will definitely see a rise in data being available to 
public not just by data enthusiasts but also through official channels.


On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 at 22:14, Sharad Lele > wrote:


I agree with you, Ujaval. Getting 5.6m data in the public domain
will be a big boost.

But I am curious to know from others what their experience has
been with the quality of this 5.6m (IRS P6) data. For instance, I
found the spectral quality to be rather poor: it boasts of being
10-bit but all the data are clustered in a 7-bit space. So we had
to go back to coarser Landsat-8 because it gave better spectral
quality (not just more bands).

On the rest of the policy: I am wondering why they say nothing
about drones, about UAV-based LIDAR, and so on, which are really
the cutting-edge these days, are they not?

Sharad

On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 8:13:01 PM UTC+5:30
uja...@spatialthoughts.com  wrote:

Hi Sharad,

Thanks for sharing. From the perspective of sharing ISRO's own
data, the policy says

" In the interest of promoting research, innovation, societal
applications and value addition, DOS shall make IRS satellite
data having GSD of 5 meter and coarser, easily accessible on
‘free and open’ basis. "

I think this is really good. As the best open remote sensing
multispectral data currently is Sentinel-2 (10m), ISRO sharing
LISS4 (5.6m) data puts them ahead of USGS and ESA. Of course,
the concern would be the implementation and how fast they can
make that data available. My comment here would that they
adopt a true open data license for this data, like Government
Open Data License.

Logo    
Ujaval Gandhi
Spatial Thoughts
mobile: +91-8095684687 
email: uja...@spatialthoughts.com
LinkedIn icon 
Twitter icon 





On Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 7:33 PM Thejesh GN
 wrote:

Thank you for sharing. We should send out comments as
community.
Thej
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On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 at 19:30, Sharad Lele (शरच्चंद्र लेले)
 wrote:

Please read and comment.


https://www.isro.gov.in/sites/default/files/spacers_policy_ngp_2020_draft.pdf

Sharad

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