Re: What is the oldest community supported versions for PERL DBI and DBD::ORACLE?
On 23/01/12 15:36, TIDWELL, GARY wrote: Thanks for the quick response. Sounds like you've answered my question, but I will go ahead and explain my situation. We are using the old versions because we never had an issue or moved to a version of Perl or Oracle that needed us to change. If we did we would have upgraded at that time. Yes, quite a few people I know end up doing this but in the long run it can be a mistake. It is often easier (less work) to stay reasonably current than to have to leap loads of versions at once. In the corporate world where everything has to justified and risk assessed it can become hard to move. What has happened is corporate standards have changed - we have to have an exception to use DBD/DBI (which makes no sense to me because both Perl and Oracle are standard within the company). The need for an exception has been true for years, but this year they want some proof of community support. We are now moving to current versions because of this, but if we can't show proof of support we will have a gap until we can schedule & test the upgrade. I'm not sure how you are going to get "proof of support" depending on what that "proof" might be like. Even if you were on the most recent versions the only indication of any support is that rts are posted (rt.cpan.org) and some get fixed but I think whoever manages your corporate standards would probably explode if he saw the DBD::Oracle rt queue right now (there are 40 outstanding issues and some go back 5 years). Basically everything is still working great& I anticipate no problems between now and the move to current versions, but corporate policies are making waves. And yes, they really should be paying for support, but that decision is made by people well above me. There is more than one way to "pay". My job requires using DBD::Oracle and the things I work on would just stop if DBD::Oracle broke. As a result we have a vested interest in DBD::Oracle and I work on DBD::Oracle in part to ensure it does not break. We always test our system with new releases of DBI and DBD::Oracle even if we don't upgrade to them immediately to ensure when we do there are no nasty surprises. I'm not sure where you would go for DBI/DBD::Oracle paid support anyway. Thanks, Gary Martin -- Martin J. Evans Easysoft Limited http://www.easysoft.com -Original Message- From: Martin J. Evans [mailto:martin.ev...@easysoft.com] Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 9:14 AM To: dbi-users@perl.org Subject: Re: What is the oldest community supported versions for PERL DBI and DBD::ORACLE? On 23/01/12 14:13, TIDWELL, GARY wrote: Hi all, we are currently using DBD::ORACLE 1.16 and DBI 1.46, and I'm having a tough time trying to determine if either of these are still supported by the open source community. All help is appreciated. Thanks, Gary DBI 1.46 isn't even on cpan now - it has been moved to backpan. It was released 16 Nov 2004 and has been superseded by 19 releases on CPAN. DBD::Oracle 1.16 was released 22 Oct 2004 and has been superseded by 23 releases. So you are using 7 year code both of which has moved on a lot since then. I help out with both of those modules and if you had a problem with either of them that old my response would likely be to upgrade. However, it depends on what you mean by "support" - what do you mean? Presumably because you are using really old perl modules either a) the code was written ages ago or b) you need to use a really old version of Perl newer DBI and DBD::Oracle modules no longer support? If it is (a) then so long as you don't change anything why would you need support? If it is (b) and you seriously cannot move to a newer Perl you've got the same problem with Perl itself. With DBD::Oracle, the latest version is so different from the one you are using (code-wise) I doubt even if you found a bug which was still present in the newest release you'd persuade anyone to also fix it in 1.16. Perhaps you need to explain why you've asked the question. Martin
RE: What is the oldest community supported versions for PERL DBI and DBD::ORACLE?
Thanks for the quick response. Sounds like you've answered my question, but I will go ahead and explain my situation. We are using the old versions because we never had an issue or moved to a version of Perl or Oracle that needed us to change. If we did we would have upgraded at that time. What has happened is corporate standards have changed - we have to have an exception to use DBD/DBI (which makes no sense to me because both Perl and Oracle are standard within the company). The need for an exception has been true for years, but this year they want some proof of community support. We are now moving to current versions because of this, but if we can't show proof of support we will have a gap until we can schedule & test the upgrade. Basically everything is still working great & I anticipate no problems between now and the move to current versions, but corporate policies are making waves. And yes, they really should be paying for support, but that decision is made by people well above me. Thanks, Gary -Original Message- From: Martin J. Evans [mailto:martin.ev...@easysoft.com] Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 9:14 AM To: dbi-users@perl.org Subject: Re: What is the oldest community supported versions for PERL DBI and DBD::ORACLE? On 23/01/12 14:13, TIDWELL, GARY wrote: > Hi all, we are currently using DBD::ORACLE 1.16 and DBI 1.46, and I'm having > a tough time > trying to determine if either of these are still supported by the open source > community. > > All help is appreciated. > > Thanks, > Gary > > > DBI 1.46 isn't even on cpan now - it has been moved to backpan. It was released 16 Nov 2004 and has been superseded by 19 releases on CPAN. DBD::Oracle 1.16 was released 22 Oct 2004 and has been superseded by 23 releases. So you are using 7 year code both of which has moved on a lot since then. I help out with both of those modules and if you had a problem with either of them that old my response would likely be to upgrade. However, it depends on what you mean by "support" - what do you mean? Presumably because you are using really old perl modules either a) the code was written ages ago or b) you need to use a really old version of Perl newer DBI and DBD::Oracle modules no longer support? If it is (a) then so long as you don't change anything why would you need support? If it is (b) and you seriously cannot move to a newer Perl you've got the same problem with Perl itself. With DBD::Oracle, the latest version is so different from the one you are using (code-wise) I doubt even if you found a bug which was still present in the newest release you'd persuade anyone to also fix it in 1.16. Perhaps you need to explain why you've asked the question. Martin -- Martin J. Evans Easysoft Limited http://www.easysoft.com
Re: What is the oldest community supported versions for PERL DBI and DBD::ORACLE?
I'm sorry I should clarify.. When I say "work" I mean you can build it against that version of the OCI. What you should do is see what the highest version of the DBD::Oracle can build against your OCI client. Carl Furst On 1/23/12 10:32 AM, "Furst, Carl" wrote: >If I remember what the docs told me (we recently went through an upgrade >from 9i to 10g), any thing pre 1.26 can work with anything up to 9i. 1.26 >and later can work 9i and 10g however 11g and 12 will not work unless you >upgrade further. > >I THINK I have that right.. However the DBD::Oracle documentation is where >I got all this so, have a look. > >Thanks, >Carl Furst >CMS Developer >carl.fu...@mlb.com >AIM: furstmlb >work: 212-485-4502 >cell: 917-837-4558 > > > > >On 1/23/12 10:20 AM, "John Scoles" wrote: > >> >>I would have to agree with Martin. The bigest jump, code-wise was the >>jump between 16~17 so you are very much out of luck if you want to get >>anything fixed in 16 or eariler. I you update to 17 first and see what >>happens you will get a good idea if you can update any futher. I also >>depends on the version of oracle DB and client you are using. >>CheersJohn >> > Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 15:14:24 +0000 >>> From: martin.ev...@easysoft.com >>> To: dbi-users@perl.org >>> Subject: Re: What is the oldest community supported versions for PERL >>>DBI and DBD::ORACLE? >>> >>> On 23/01/12 14:13, TIDWELL, GARY wrote: >>> > Hi all, we are currently using DBD::ORACLE 1.16 and DBI 1.46, and I'm >>>having a tough time >>> > trying to determine if either of these are still supported by the >>>open source community. >>> > >>> > All help is appreciated. >>> > >>> > Thanks, >>> > Gary >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> DBI 1.46 isn't even on cpan now - it has been moved to backpan. It was >>>released 16 Nov 2004 and has been superseded by 19 releases on CPAN. >>> >>> DBD::Oracle 1.16 was released 22 Oct 2004 and has been superseded by 23 >>>releases. >>> >>> So you are using 7 year code both of which has moved on a lot since >>>then. >>> >>> I help out with both of those modules and if you had a problem with >>>either of them that old my response would likely be to upgrade. However, >>>it depends on what you mean by "support" - what do you mean? >>> >>> Presumably because you are using really old perl modules either a) the >>>code was written ages ago or b) you need to use a really old version of >>>Perl newer DBI and DBD::Oracle modules no longer support? If it is (a) >>>then so long as you don't change anything why would you need support? If >>>it is (b) and you seriously cannot move to a newer Perl you've got the >>>same problem with Perl itself. >>> >>> With DBD::Oracle, the latest version is so different from the one you >>>are using (code-wise) I doubt even if you found a bug which was still >>>present in the newest release you'd persuade anyone to also fix it in >>>1.16. >>> >>> Perhaps you need to explain why you've asked the question. >>> >>> Martin >>> -- >>> Martin J. Evans >>> Easysoft Limited >>> http://www.easysoft.com >> > ** MLB.com: Where Baseball is Always On
Re: What is the oldest community supported versions for PERL DBI and DBD::ORACLE?
If I remember what the docs told me (we recently went through an upgrade from 9i to 10g), any thing pre 1.26 can work with anything up to 9i. 1.26 and later can work 9i and 10g however 11g and 12 will not work unless you upgrade further. I THINK I have that right.. However the DBD::Oracle documentation is where I got all this so, have a look. Thanks, Carl Furst CMS Developer carl.fu...@mlb.com AIM: furstmlb work: 212-485-4502 cell: 917-837-4558 On 1/23/12 10:20 AM, "John Scoles" wrote: > >I would have to agree with Martin. The bigest jump, code-wise was the >jump between 16~17 so you are very much out of luck if you want to get >anything fixed in 16 or eariler. I you update to 17 first and see what >happens you will get a good idea if you can update any futher. I also >depends on the version of oracle DB and client you are using. >CheersJohn > > Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 15:14:24 + >> From: martin.ev...@easysoft.com >> To: dbi-users@perl.org >> Subject: Re: What is the oldest community supported versions for PERL >>DBI and DBD::ORACLE? >> >> On 23/01/12 14:13, TIDWELL, GARY wrote: >> > Hi all, we are currently using DBD::ORACLE 1.16 and DBI 1.46, and I'm >>having a tough time >> > trying to determine if either of these are still supported by the >>open source community. >> > >> > All help is appreciated. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Gary >> > >> > >> > >> >> DBI 1.46 isn't even on cpan now - it has been moved to backpan. It was >>released 16 Nov 2004 and has been superseded by 19 releases on CPAN. >> >> DBD::Oracle 1.16 was released 22 Oct 2004 and has been superseded by 23 >>releases. >> >> So you are using 7 year code both of which has moved on a lot since >>then. >> >> I help out with both of those modules and if you had a problem with >>either of them that old my response would likely be to upgrade. However, >>it depends on what you mean by "support" - what do you mean? >> >> Presumably because you are using really old perl modules either a) the >>code was written ages ago or b) you need to use a really old version of >>Perl newer DBI and DBD::Oracle modules no longer support? If it is (a) >>then so long as you don't change anything why would you need support? If >>it is (b) and you seriously cannot move to a newer Perl you've got the >>same problem with Perl itself. >> >> With DBD::Oracle, the latest version is so different from the one you >>are using (code-wise) I doubt even if you found a bug which was still >>present in the newest release you'd persuade anyone to also fix it in >>1.16. >> >> Perhaps you need to explain why you've asked the question. >> >> Martin >> -- >> Martin J. Evans >> Easysoft Limited >> http://www.easysoft.com > ** MLB.com: Where Baseball is Always On
RE: What is the oldest community supported versions for PERL DBI and DBD::ORACLE?
I would have to agree with Martin. The bigest jump, code-wise was the jump between 16~17 so you are very much out of luck if you want to get anything fixed in 16 or eariler. I you update to 17 first and see what happens you will get a good idea if you can update any futher. I also depends on the version of oracle DB and client you are using. CheersJohn > Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 15:14:24 + > From: martin.ev...@easysoft.com > To: dbi-users@perl.org > Subject: Re: What is the oldest community supported versions for PERL DBI and > DBD::ORACLE? > > On 23/01/12 14:13, TIDWELL, GARY wrote: > > Hi all, we are currently using DBD::ORACLE 1.16 and DBI 1.46, and I'm > > having a tough time > > trying to determine if either of these are still supported by the open > > source community. > > > > All help is appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Gary > > > > > > > > DBI 1.46 isn't even on cpan now - it has been moved to backpan. It was > released 16 Nov 2004 and has been superseded by 19 releases on CPAN. > > DBD::Oracle 1.16 was released 22 Oct 2004 and has been superseded by 23 > releases. > > So you are using 7 year code both of which has moved on a lot since then. > > I help out with both of those modules and if you had a problem with either of > them that old my response would likely be to upgrade. However, it depends on > what you mean by "support" - what do you mean? > > Presumably because you are using really old perl modules either a) the code > was written ages ago or b) you need to use a really old version of Perl newer > DBI and DBD::Oracle modules no longer support? If it is (a) then so long as > you don't change anything why would you need support? If it is (b) and you > seriously cannot move to a newer Perl you've got the same problem with Perl > itself. > > With DBD::Oracle, the latest version is so different from the one you are > using (code-wise) I doubt even if you found a bug which was still present in > the newest release you'd persuade anyone to also fix it in 1.16. > > Perhaps you need to explain why you've asked the question. > > Martin > -- > Martin J. Evans > Easysoft Limited > http://www.easysoft.com
Re: What is the oldest community supported versions for PERL DBI and DBD::ORACLE?
On 23/01/12 14:13, TIDWELL, GARY wrote: Hi all, we are currently using DBD::ORACLE 1.16 and DBI 1.46, and I'm having a tough time trying to determine if either of these are still supported by the open source community. All help is appreciated. Thanks, Gary DBI 1.46 isn't even on cpan now - it has been moved to backpan. It was released 16 Nov 2004 and has been superseded by 19 releases on CPAN. DBD::Oracle 1.16 was released 22 Oct 2004 and has been superseded by 23 releases. So you are using 7 year code both of which has moved on a lot since then. I help out with both of those modules and if you had a problem with either of them that old my response would likely be to upgrade. However, it depends on what you mean by "support" - what do you mean? Presumably because you are using really old perl modules either a) the code was written ages ago or b) you need to use a really old version of Perl newer DBI and DBD::Oracle modules no longer support? If it is (a) then so long as you don't change anything why would you need support? If it is (b) and you seriously cannot move to a newer Perl you've got the same problem with Perl itself. With DBD::Oracle, the latest version is so different from the one you are using (code-wise) I doubt even if you found a bug which was still present in the newest release you'd persuade anyone to also fix it in 1.16. Perhaps you need to explain why you've asked the question. Martin -- Martin J. Evans Easysoft Limited http://www.easysoft.com
