Re: [Debconf-discuss] US laptop ban and DebConf
On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 10:53:43PM +0530, shirish शिरीष wrote: > Call me naive, but I was hoping that somebody would have answers and > would also raise questions. > For instance, one point being, what if the airlines enters US > airspace, doesn't land in US but goes through there to Canada. > Wouldn't those airlines be also affected by this ban ? Do you know of a flight on one of the affected airlines which specifically does this? Your best and most up-to-date information is going to come from your airline. I had started to write an analysis, reverse-engineering the DHS's threat model based on the parameters of the ban; but the truth is that this doesn't matter. Even if that analysis was spot on, the threat model could change between now and DebConf, and the parameters of the ban with it. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] US laptop ban and DebConf
On 22/03/17 16:20, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 06:36:12AM +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote: >> Hi Steve > >> On 21/03/2017 20:02, Steve Langasek wrote: >>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 09:29:17AM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: >>> There has been no indication that this is in any way driven by the Trump >>> administration. > >> http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/21/news/airline-electronics-ban-explainer/index.html?sr=fbCNN032117airline-electronics-ban-explainer0529PMStoryLink=35698638 > >> "The Trump administration has ordered nine airlines to stop passengers >> from bringing most types of electronic devices" > >> You call that fake news then? :) > > I call referring to this as "the Trump Administration" instead of as "the > Department of Homeland Security" or "the US government", without specific > evidence that this was a decision made by political appointees of Donald > Trump, misleading. > Agreed - blaming Trump or blaming all Americans for the undignified, humiliating and invasive security theater at today's airports would be about as accurate as blaming all Muslims for terrorism or calling all Mexicans murderers and rapists. Regards, Daniel ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] US laptop ban and DebConf
Hi all, Call me naive, but I was hoping that somebody would have answers and would also raise questions. For instance, one point being, what if the airlines enters US airspace, doesn't land in US but goes through there to Canada. Wouldn't those airlines be also affected by this ban ? I did have a look at some of the articles around the world on the topic - http://www.foxbusiness.com/features/2017/03/21/airline-electronics-ban-is-protectionism-not-security.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/lists/what-air-travellers-could-once-change-in-flying-rules-golden-era/ http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2017/03/21/trump_s_laptop_ban_is_a_giant_middle_finger_to_business_travelers.html http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/21/technology/laptop-ban-safety/ and here is an indian take on the whole thing :) - http://livefromalounge.boardingarea.com/2017/03/22/transfer-via-india-indian-airports-jet-airways-air-india-electronicsban/ -- Regards, Shirish Agarwal शिरीष अग्रवाल My quotes in this email licensed under CC 3.0 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com EB80 462B 08E1 A0DE A73A 2C2F 9F3D C7A4 E1C4 D2D8 ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] US laptop ban and DebConf
On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 06:36:12AM +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote: > Hi Steve > On 21/03/2017 20:02, Steve Langasek wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 09:29:17AM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: > > There has been no indication that this is in any way driven by the Trump > > administration. > http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/21/news/airline-electronics-ban-explainer/index.html?sr=fbCNN032117airline-electronics-ban-explainer0529PMStoryLink=35698638 > "The Trump administration has ordered nine airlines to stop passengers > from bringing most types of electronic devices" > You call that fake news then? :) I call referring to this as "the Trump Administration" instead of as "the Department of Homeland Security" or "the US government", without specific evidence that this was a decision made by political appointees of Donald Trump, misleading. > > This rule has all the hallmarks of a DHS/TSA-driven rule responding to > > information shared between the intelligence agencies of the US and its > > allies. > The DHS/TSA do not operate in a bubble. > > The erosion of civil liberties with respect to air travel is > > frustrating, but please don't conflate targeted - if opaque and > > inexplicable - air safety measures, with political posturing and > > immigration policy. > They go hand in hand. One of these is part of an ongoing pattern across three presidencies in the United States; the other is specific to President Donald J. Trump. To be imprecise about this is to let ourselves be blind to the reality of what's going on and ineffective in how we respond to it. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] US laptop ban and DebConf
Hi, This thread started out okay, and some practical advice followed. But it's already gone the way of a recent thread on debian-private. For that I came up with this procmail rule: :0: * ^List-Id:.*debian-private.lists\.debian\.org * ^Subject:.*\[off\-topic\] $HOME/.maildir/.Trash/ To avoid having to unsubscribe from debconf-discuss, I now suggest: :0: * ^List-Id:.*debconf-discuss.lists\.debconf\.org * ^Subject:.*US laptop ban and DebConf $HOME/.maildir/.Trash/ Steve Langasek wrote: > On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 10:34:10PM +0100, Thomas Goirand wrote: > > Respectfully... > > > Could we please keep politics out of any Debian list? > > No. > > Have a nice day. It's really sad, that I need to start doing things like this now: :0: * ^(From|To):.*vorlon.debian\.org $HOME/.maildir/.Trash/ since mails like these are harming my productivity and motivation recently. Regards, -- Steven Chamberlain ste...@pyro.eu.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] US laptop ban and DebConf
On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 07:25:38AM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: > Latest update: don't take flights connecting through the UK either. > > https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/21/uk-set-to-ban-laptops-on-flights-from-middle-east-countries > > Notice they didn't include the UAE airports in their ban, presumably > because many British people transit through Dubai and Abu Dhabi when > going to SE Asia or Australia. But they still included IST. -- WBR, wRAR signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] US laptop ban and DebConf
On 21/03/17 16:12, shirish शिरीष wrote: > Dear all, > How are we to know if we are affected by the ban or not ? Most > airlines, at least the low-cost ones I know don't have an e-mail id or > even if they have, they don't reply. I have experienced it . I have > tried the live chat option at some of the sites too and at times have > found that what they say and what the airlines policy are different. > Domestically, this has happened with me twice or thrice. > Latest update: don't take flights connecting through the UK either. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/21/uk-set-to-ban-laptops-on-flights-from-middle-east-countries Notice they didn't include the UAE airports in their ban, presumably because many British people transit through Dubai and Abu Dhabi when going to SE Asia or Australia. ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
