Re: Debian Policy sprint

[Sean Whitton]

Hello,

On Thu 26 Jul 2018 at 03:28PM +0900, Hideki Yamane wrote:

>  I don't have a time during Sprint but want to try to implement
>  translation during/after DebConf :)

Excellent.  Let us be sure to talk about it.

-- 
Sean Whitton


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Re: Gandi at the Debconf

[Thomas Kuiper]

Hello,

after your feedback we (Gandi.net) are happy to extend the Member Benefits to 
Debian Maintainers!
So both Developers and Maintainers can get our lowest rates.

To do so simply send an OpenPGP signed email that is in the Debian Maintainer 
keyring with your Gandi username/handle to non-pro...@gandi.net

https://wiki.debian.org/MemberBenefits#Gandi needs an update ;-)

Thanks!
Thomas

Re: Debian Policy sprint

[Hideki Yamane]

Hi,

On Sun, 22 Jul 2018 13:53:21 +0800
Sean Whitton  wrote:
> A reminder that the rolling Debian Policy sprint is now in progress at
> DebConf.[1]
> 
> Please come and talk to me if you'd like to get involved, or on IRC if
> you're remote.

 I don't have a time during Sprint but want to try to implement
 translation during/after DebConf :)



-- 
Regards,

 Hideki Yamane henrich @ debian.org/iijmio-mail.jp

Re: ♥ Consensus & temperature settings (Re: warmer hacklabs)

[Thomas Kuiper]

On 2018-07-25 23:39, Wookey wrote:
> On 2018-07-25 22:49 +0800, Thomas Kuiper wrote:
>
>> btw I never turn off aircons at night... recooling those walls next day 
>> would take more energy.
> Physics suggests that this is extremely unlikely to be true, unless
> there is something very non-linear about the cooling system.
Some variables if you want to do a physics equation:
- its hot and humid here in summer, even at night.
- Buildings unfortunately aren't properly insulated (humidity moves in easy).
- Its mostly about humidity not heat. There are colder, cloudy days that have 
more humidity.
- There's other factors of course (if the A/C is smart enough and how it does 
its cooling cycles)
All those factors aren't "linear".

This is a great summary too:
https://www.quora.com/If-we-turn-off-our-AC-at-night-and-turn-it-on-again-in-the-morning-are-we-wasting-energy

But most important, do what makes you comfortable... :-)

Thomas

Re: nearby stuff

[Steve McIntyre]

On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 07:38:31PM +0800, Clayton wrote:
>On this evenings stroll, within fifteen minutes walk of the lab, I
>found the following:
>
>* a not huge but bona fide supermarket. Couldn't find anything I was
>  particularly looking for there, but you might have more luck.
>
>   Location: geo:24.790533,121.01031?z=15
>   https://osmand.net/go?lat=24.790533&lon=121.01031&z=15

Yup. I just walked there and it was useful. Quite a trek back carrying
heavy stuff, but I was getting steadily lighter on the way back due to
sweat... :-)

And I was the idiot foreigner in there who spoke no Chinese at all
when the cashier was asking me questions. Got there in the end!

-- 
Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com
< sladen> I actually stayed in a hotel and arrived to find a post-it
  note stuck to the mini-bar saying "Paul: This fridge and
  fittings are the correct way around and do not need altering"

Re: nearby stuff

[Sean Whitton]

Hello,

On Tue 24 Jul 2018 at 07:38PM +0800, Clayton wrote:

> On this evenings stroll, within fifteen minutes walk of the lab, I
> found the following:

Thank you for this.

> * down the road a block or so, two vegan restaurants, one of them with
>   a rather elaborate layout of probably fifty dishes. Both probably
>   expensive, as you pay by the weight of your plate. Below's fix is for
>   the big one, the other is a half block down the street.

Just a data point: I went to such a buffet in Taipei and it was not at
all expensive.

-- 
Sean Whitton


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Re: Cheeeeeeeeese! (and wine!)

[Sean Whitton]

Hello,

On Wed 25 Jul 2018 at 08:23AM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote:

> So, please go to our Wiki page!
>
> https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf18/CheeseWineBoF
>
> Fill out what you are bringing. Join the Cheese Team.
>
> VERY important - Did you bring some interesting cheeses? Are you
> already in Taiwan? DO YOU NEED A FRIDGE? We have a fridge in the video
> room (MIRC, 7th floor, room 705).

Can we make a montary donation?

-- 
Sean Whitton


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Re: ♥ Consensus & temperature settings (Re: warmer hacklabs)

[Ulrike Uhlig]

Hello!

> While the body wants  coolness for a good sleep.

Note that I was just talking about the conference venue, not the dorms.

During my very short trip here before the conference I observed that
locals turn off ACs when they leave a room for several hours.

Cheers!
u.

Re: ♥ Consensus & temperature settings (Re: warmer hacklabs)

[G. Branden Robinson]

At 2018-07-25T16:39:40+0100, Wookey wrote:
> On 2018-07-25 22:49 +0800, Thomas Kuiper wrote:
> 
> > btw I never turn off aircons at night... recooling those walls next day 
> > would take more energy.
> 
> Physics suggests that this is extremely unlikely to be true, unless
> there is something very non-linear about the cooling system.

Everything about heating and cooling is non-linear except for Charles's
Law.  :D

Shock depressurization of the dorms would be effective but (1)
unpleasant for anyone inside, and (2) infeasible to implement.  :P

Looks like the weather in Taiwan (high heat, high humidity) is not too
different from that in Raleigh, North Carolina, so I won't pack anything
special.

See everybody soon!

-- 
Regards,
Branden


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Re: ♥ Consensus & temperature settings (Re: warmer hacklabs)

[Peter van Summeren]

I fully agree not to turn off the airconditioning in the evening. The wall 
radiates also infrared heat at higher temperatures than the human body.
You don't see it, but it is there.
While the body wants  coolness for a good sleep.
Especially when it is heatwave+humid, one needs to be careful. Then the body 
could overheat. Because sweating doesn't help anymore to cool.
With friendly greetings,
Peter van Summeren



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From: Thomas Kuiper 
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 4:49:13 PM
To: ulr...@debian.org; debconf-discuss@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: ♥ Consensus & temperature settings (Re: warmer hacklabs)

Hope the heat in Taiwan isnt too tough.

Embrace or ignore it is how to cope ... :)

btw I never turn off aircons at night... recooling those walls next day would 
take more energy.

On 2018-07-25 21:48, Ulrike Uhlig wrote:
> Hello!
>
> Holger Levsen:
>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 12:04:01PM +0200, Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) 
>> wrote:
>>> We currently have no plans to augment ES203 (Quiet Hacklab), ES510
>>> (Another Hacklab) or ES815 (Yet Another Hacklab).
>> can we make those hacklabs warmer than the noisy hacklab? 30 degrees or
>> at least 28 would be, ahem, cool!
> I have another proposal:
>
> - We put the ACs in all rooms where we have control over the AC
>   to 25/26°C.
>
> - If you want to modify this median temperature, please first ask for
>   agreement in the room. Aim at consensus, not majority decisions. [1]
>
> - People who want fresh air: go outside!
>
> - In the evening, and during lunch open the windows for some fresh air.
>
> - Every evening if you are the last person leaving the room please turn
> off the AC's and switch off the lights. Leave the remote control where
> it belongs.
>
> What do you think?
>
> ♥
> Ulrike
>
> [1] https://www.seedsforchange.org.uk/shortconsensus
>

Re: ♥ Consensus & temperature settings (Re: warmer hacklabs)

[Wookey]

On 2018-07-25 22:49 +0800, Thomas Kuiper wrote:

> btw I never turn off aircons at night... recooling those walls next day would 
> take more energy.

Physics suggests that this is extremely unlikely to be true, unless
there is something very non-linear about the cooling system.

Wookey
-- 
Principal hats:  Linaro, Debian, Wookware, ARM
http://wookware.org/


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Re: ♥ Consensus & temperature settings (Re: warmer hacklabs)

[Thomas Kuiper]

Hope the heat in Taiwan isnt too tough.

Embrace or ignore it is how to cope ... :)

btw I never turn off aircons at night... recooling those walls next day would 
take more energy.

On 2018-07-25 21:48, Ulrike Uhlig wrote:
> Hello!
>
> Holger Levsen:
>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 12:04:01PM +0200, Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) 
>> wrote:
>>> We currently have no plans to augment ES203 (Quiet Hacklab), ES510
>>> (Another Hacklab) or ES815 (Yet Another Hacklab).
>> can we make those hacklabs warmer than the noisy hacklab? 30 degrees or
>> at least 28 would be, ahem, cool!
> I have another proposal:
>
> - We put the ACs in all rooms where we have control over the AC
>   to 25/26°C.
>
> - If you want to modify this median temperature, please first ask for
>   agreement in the room. Aim at consensus, not majority decisions. [1]
>
> - People who want fresh air: go outside!
>
> - In the evening, and during lunch open the windows for some fresh air.
>
> - Every evening if you are the last person leaving the room please turn
> off the AC's and switch off the lights. Leave the remote control where
> it belongs.
>
> What do you think?
>
> ♥
> Ulrike
>
> [1] https://www.seedsforchange.org.uk/shortconsensus
>

Re: Cheeeeeeeeese! (and wine!)

[Thomas Kuiper]

On 2018-07-25 22:13, Ralf Treinen wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 08:23:50AM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
>
>> So, please go to our Wiki page!
>>
>> https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf18/CheeseWineBoF
>>
>> Fill out what you are bringing. Join the Cheese Team.
> the wiki page says: 
>
>   Taiwan Customs Regulations
>
>   You can import up to TBD kilograms of cheese per person. 
>
> The variable TBD seems to be not initialized. Are we at least sure that
> the value is not null?
>
> -Ralf.
Cheese was never an issue.
For personal consumption DRY sausages is ok too now.
Bring some saucisson sec please. I bring wine.
Wine btw is 6 liters of which 5 need to be declared.

Re: Cheeeeeeeeese! (and wine!)

[Ralf Treinen]

Hello,

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 08:23:50AM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote:

> So, please go to our Wiki page!
> 
> https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf18/CheeseWineBoF
> 
> Fill out what you are bringing. Join the Cheese Team.

the wiki page says: 

  Taiwan Customs Regulations

  You can import up to TBD kilograms of cheese per person. 

The variable TBD seems to be not initialized. Are we at least sure that
the value is not null?

-Ralf.
-- 
Ralf Treinen
Institut de Recherche en Informatique Fondamentale
Équipe Preuves, Programmes et Systèmes
Université Paris Diderot, Paris, France.
http://www.irif.fr/~treinen/

♥ Consensus & temperature settings (Re: warmer hacklabs)

[Ulrike Uhlig]

Hello!

Holger Levsen:
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 12:04:01PM +0200, Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) wrote:
>> We currently have no plans to augment ES203 (Quiet Hacklab), ES510
>> (Another Hacklab) or ES815 (Yet Another Hacklab).
> 
> can we make those hacklabs warmer than the noisy hacklab? 30 degrees or
> at least 28 would be, ahem, cool!

I have another proposal:

- We put the ACs in all rooms where we have control over the AC
  to 25/26°C.

- If you want to modify this median temperature, please first ask for
  agreement in the room. Aim at consensus, not majority decisions. [1]

- People who want fresh air: go outside!

- In the evening, and during lunch open the windows for some fresh air.

- Every evening if you are the last person leaving the room please turn
off the AC's and switch off the lights. Leave the remote control where
it belongs.

What do you think?

♥
Ulrike

[1] https://www.seedsforchange.org.uk/shortconsensus

Cheeeeeeeeese! (and wine!)

[Gunnar Wolf]

Hey you all, happy and merry DebConf people!

We are having a good time and doing a ton of work. I have seen several
ongoing sprints, and the technical advance of our project is
warrranted during this conference. That makes me very happy!

But DebConf is not just about hard, cold work. You know, we have
time-tested social rituals that bring us all together as a group, that
create friendship -no, family!- bonds among us all. Repeated successes
leading to...

Ok, I'll cut the blabbering.

You all know I am talking about the Great and Mighty DebConf Cheese
and Wine Party.

We have to organize for a _great_ party. An important part of it is
planning - We want to know what you are bringing, in order to prepare
the labels, in order to know how much $foo we have and how much $bar
we have to put to make it work best.

So, please go to our Wiki page!

https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf18/CheeseWineBoF

Fill out what you are bringing. Join the Cheese Team.

VERY important - Did you bring some interesting cheeses? Are you
already in Taiwan? DO YOU NEED A FRIDGE? We have a fridge in the video
room (MIRC, 7th floor, room 705). 


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warmer hacklabs (Re: DebCamp Announcements for 2018-07-25)

[Holger Levsen]

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 12:04:01PM +0200, Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) wrote:
> We currently have no plans to augment ES203 (Quiet Hacklab), ES510
> (Another Hacklab) or ES815 (Yet Another Hacklab).

can we make those hacklabs warmer than the noisy hacklab? 30 degrees or
at least 28 would be, ahem, cool!


-- 
cheers,
Holger


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