Re: Any demonstration for "Global fight to end fossil fuels" in Kochi at 2023-09-15
On Tue, 2023-08-29 at 11:38 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > usually I joing demonstrations like this > > https://fightfossilfuels.net/ > > in my home town - but at this day I'm not at home. ;-) If you want to successfully fossil fuels, you need to support the alternatives: https://www.replanet.ngo/deargreenpeace India is actually at the forefront fighting fossil fuels with currently eight reactors under construction: https://pris.iaea.org/PRIS/WorldStatistics/UnderConstructionReactorsByCountry.aspx Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer `. `' Physicist `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: [OT] Re: Debconf in Israel
On 3/29/19 11:40 AM, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote:
> On Thu 2019-03-28 07:18:45 +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
>> Virtually any wealth that was accumulated through illegal business is
>> confiscated by legal prosecutors and either kept by the government or
>> - if the rightful owners can be determined - returned to them.
>
> This is a remarkably ahistorical claim, even if we narrowly care only
> about "illegal business" and don't take unethical-yet-legal business
> into consideration (which i think we should, when trying to make ethical
> decisions).
>
> As they say on wikipedia, {{Citation needed}}.
> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Wiedergutmachungspolitik
> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundesr%C3%BCckerstattungsgesetz
> https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/br_g/index.html
> https://www.bundesregierung.de/breg-de/bundesregierung/staatsministerin-fuer-kultur-und-medien/kultur/rueckgabe-ns-raubkunst
> https://www.sueddeutsche.de/kultur/bgh-grundsatzurteil-zu-ns-raubkunst-museum-muss-plakatsammlung-zurueckgeben-1.1310547
> http://www.spiegel.de/kultur/gesellschaft/beutekunst-erste-grosse-rueckgabe-am-montag-a-94982.html
> https://www.uni-muenster.de/NiederlandeNet/aktuelles/archiv/2012/maerz/0306kunstraub.shtml
> https://www.kreis-germersheim.de/kv_germersheim/Kreisverwaltung/Kreisjournal/Kreisjournal%202017/10829_06_2017_Kreis_Germersheim.pdf
> https://www.n-tv.de/politik/dossier/Geraubtes-juedisches-Eigentum-article148363.html
> https://www.deutschlandfunkkultur.de/stiftung-zurueckgeben-und-ns-raubgut-ein-symbolischer.1079.de.html?dram:article_id=336817
> https://www.rbb24.de/studiocottbus/beitraege/2017/12/rueckuebertragung.html
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Re: [OT] Re: Debconf in Israel
On 3/28/19 2:52 AM, René Mérou wrote: > For the soft interpretation, If you have one heart of a specifically killed > non-volunteer donor, you are not to blame if you here not informed and you > wouldn't accept it voluntarily. You are pulling this out of thin air, it's a completely constructed example. > For example, if you where now multimillionaire due to your father selling > narcotics or you could have a lot of art goods due to the fact that your > father was a tyrant that stole all that from other people. So, now you are > rich but your money is full of blood or, you have a lot of priceless peaces > of > art stolen. Virtually any wealth that was accumulated through illegal business is confiscated by legal prosecutors and either kept by the government or - if the rightful owners can be determined - returned to them. > The fallacy is that you focused on the initial decision and obviously no one > is to blame for one decision done without his participation but, you forgot > the key idea: sometimes you are to blame from profiting from one unfair > situation. There is no fallacy because the situations you are describing are based on wrong assumptions. > Will you force the German banks to return the money and stolen art to > familiars? I think that having this precepts enshrined in our standards or in > our moral compass would conduct us to better societies and more happiness. I don't have to because the German government is enforcing that on their own, a lot of property that was stolen by the Nazis has already been returned to their original owners or their relatives. This is an ongoing process. Did you know that up until recently, Germany was still paying reparations for even World War I? > https://abcnews.go.com/International/germany-makes-final-reparation-payments-world-war/story?id=11755920 > Sorry if I wrote here, I thought this subject as others, are better been > openly spoken with respect (and of course, avoiding flames). To silent or > censure it leaves emotions unspoken and that leads to worst consequences than > a patient constructive dialogue. It would have helped if you educated yourself first on the examples you provided before trying to construct some sort of morality lesson out of them. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: [OT] Re: Debconf in Israel
On 3/26/19 2:11 PM, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: > [John Paul Adrian Glaubitz, 2019-03-21] >> According to this logic, you wouldn't be allowed to host a DebConf in almost >> any >> country in the world as almost any stretch of land has changed owners, >> deliberately >> or by force over the time. >> >> The farm of my great grand-parents is now owned by Polish people and the >> land around >> it which used to be Germany is now Poland. But that's a historic fact that >> cannot be >> reverted. That doesn't mean I boycott Poland or Polish people in any way. In >> fact, one >> of my best friends is from Poland. > > it is Poland but it wasn't our decision. Poland was attacked by Germany > (AKA Nazi) and 16 days later by Russia (AKA USSR). Yes, and I am fully aware of this. My point was not to talk about a particular blame but simply the fact that history changes borders over time and it's just how things are. I just chose the example of Poland because my family was personally affected, I may have chosen the US, Australia or South America as examples where people were chased away off their original land or borders were moved (in the case of Mexico). The point is simply that you cannot blame the people of nowadays for decisions that were made way before they were born. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: Debconf in Israel
On 3/21/19 5:10 PM, Nasir El-Amin wrote: > Debian having a conference in contested land where military conflict and > oppressive acts are occurring is unacceptable. According to this logic, you wouldn't be allowed to host a DebConf in almost any country in the world as almost any stretch of land has changed owners, deliberately or by force over the time. The farm of my great grand-parents is now owned by Polish people and the land around it which used to be Germany is now Poland. But that's a historic fact that cannot be reverted. That doesn't mean I boycott Poland or Polish people in any way. In fact, one of my best friends is from Poland. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
DC20: Questions regarding device inspections at the airport
Hi Tzafrir! Thanks for organizing DebConf20 in Israel, I'm looking forward to traveling to Haifa, the Silicon Valley of the Middle East. Now, I have done some initial research regarding traveling to Israel on the website of my country's department of foreign affairs, I'm traveling from Germany. One note mentioned there is that at the airports, laptops might get confiscated by border patrol agents for examination. This can last several days and in such cases, the laptop is sent back for free [1]. Can you make any comment on this? Is this a common situation or rather exceptional? I would definitely love going to Haifa for DebConf, but I would have a problem with my laptop being confiscated for no particular reasons. Thanks, Adrian > [1] > https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/de/aussenpolitik/laender/israel-node/israelsicherheit/203814#content_3 -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: Suggestions, questions and concerns about DebConf19?
On 08/11/2018 01:15 PM, Judit Foglszinger wrote: > It's weird to compromise the privacy of all attendees, > because something bad could happen or someone could commit a crime. They do the same on aircraft and most people seem okay with simply because you have to weigh your loss of privacy against the win of safety on board. > Debconf is not known for the high number of criminals among it's attendees, > rather the opposite. I was not assuming that at all. But the thing is, you are never able to see into someone's mind so it doesn't hurt to have at least some sort of suspiciousness. > If data collection and insisting on real names would start because of a > single > incident, that "could have been avoided", that would be the same kind of > overreaction, that governments got used to nowadays. > This shouldn't be copied by us. Lots of western countries have had mandatory registration with the authorities for years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resident_registration The US is rather an exception when it comes to this. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: Suggestions, questions and concerns about DebConf19?
On 08/11/2018 05:00 PM, Wouter Verhelst wrote: >> It's a matter of liability. If your event surpasses a certain size, you >> will not be able to make sure that everyone who attends is of good will, >> for example. > > Right, and that's completely irrelevant. Responsibility is irrelevant? >>>> If, for example, an attendee of the conference has a serious accident >>>> and other folk call emergency services, they will have a problem when >>>> asked for the name and street address of an attendee.> Or, even worse, >>>> if an attendee died, organizers will not be able to contact someone >>>> from the circle of their family etc. >>> >>> For this kind of issues, there's government organizations like >>> consulates and so on. >> >> And? How is the consulate going to identify them? > > By way of a government-issued document, like a passport? Passports can go missing, like it just happened during DebConf (saw the mail?). >>>> Or imagine an attendee commits a felony, you need to be able to >>>> identify them as well. >>> >>> Talk to the police. >> >> Even the police cannot identify a foreigner without passport documents. > > We cannot either. No, but you can at least make sure that you at least know who is attending your conference. >> There have been numerous cases in the past where police found someone >> unconscious without an ID and amnesia and they were unable to identify >> them for months. Just happened here recently in Berlin. > > That does happen, yes, and in such cases it's something we might be able > to help with if we know in detail who a particular person is. > > But there's nothing that *requires* us to be able to do that. "We run a > conference" doesn't mean "we babysit everyone who attends". Nor should > it; if (adult) attendees decide that they value their privacy more than > their personal safety, then that's their problem, not Debconf's. It can also be at the cost of the safety of others. If someone at the conference steals your laptop, you don't want to know whose name it is? Or what happens if one anonymous attendee decides to randomly destroy other people's property? >>>> There are probably countless occasions where >>>> it's simply not enough to identify as "trumpet232" at the registration >>>> desk. >>> >>> I don't agree. That's not Debian's job to do the one of the police and >>> other governmental organizations. >> >> So you're saying that taking care of each other is not important for >> Debian? > > It would be useful if you stopped coming up with extreme hyperbolic > examples and then accusing the people who don't agree with you of > something ethically unjust. It's not helpful, nor constructive. It's simply naive to assume that nothing can happen if you are hosting such a big conference. And I have the impression that many people take privacy on an ideological level that they're willing to dismiss even the most basic safety precautions. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: Suggestions, questions and concerns about DebConf19?
On 08/11/2018 11:23 AM, Thomas Goirand wrote: >> What happens in case of an emergency then? Aren't organizers of large >> events of this type required by law to keep lists of real name? > > Why would they? It's a matter of liability. If your event surpasses a certain size, you will not be able to make sure that everyone who attends is of good will, for example. >> If, for example, an attendee of the conference has a serious accident >> and other folk call emergency services, they will have a problem when >> asked for the name and street address of an attendee.> Or, even worse, >> if an attendee died, organizers will not be able to contact someone >> from the circle of their family etc. > > For this kind of issues, there's government organizations like > consulates and so on. And? How is the consulate going to identify them? >> Or imagine an attendee commits a felony, you need to be able to >> identify them as well. > > Talk to the police. Even the police cannot identify a foreigner without passport documents. There have been numerous cases in the past where police found someone unconscious without an ID and amnesia and they were unable to identify them for months. Just happened here recently in Berlin. >> There are probably countless occasions where >> it's simply not enough to identify as "trumpet232" at the registration >> desk. > > I don't agree. That's not Debian's job to do the one of the police and > other governmental organizations. So you're saying that taking care of each other is not important for Debian? Got it. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: Suggestions, questions and concerns about DebConf19?
itution which can limit them, e.g. police can take away your freedom in some cases and especially in Germany, freedom of speech is also not unlimited. Plus, your insurance company will want to have a word with you as well. > And as Karen Sandler pointed out there's no such thing as 'anonymized' data. There is also no such thing as ultimate privacy. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: Suggestions, questions and concerns about DebConf19?
On 08/11/2018 09:06 AM, Clayton wrote: > This was my first DebConf and I chose not to offer my last name on the > registration, or at any point during the conference, and nobody seemed > bothered. I believe(?) there were some registrants who were entirely > pseudonymous. If one does not want one's name exposed publicly in an > online community, then just don't give a real name. What happens in case of an emergency then? Aren't organizers of large events of this type required by law to keep lists of real name? If, for example, an attendee of the conference has a serious accident and other folk call emergency services, they will have a problem when asked for the name and street address of an attendee. Or, even worse, if an attendee died, organizers will not be able to contact someone from the circle of their family etc. Or imagine an attendee commits a felony, you need to be able to identify them as well. There are probably countless occasions where it's simply not enough to identify as "trumpet232" at the registration desk. I know many people in Debian are a huge fan of high privacy levels, but there is often actually a valid reason beyond advertisement and statistics why lists are kept with the name of attendees and people who demand these high levels of privacy should keep that in mind. Some requirements are imposed by the law and/or safety requirements, so you cannot just ignore them, even if you a "digital native". Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: English-speaking taxi number?
On 07/31/2018 09:27 PM, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 07:31:20PM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: >> It's not incorrect, it's the ruling of the highest European court: > > I believe we are in Asia right now. Yes, and even in Asia they have sane laws to protect workers against exploitation: > https://mashable.com/2017/04/13/uber-taiwan-returns > https://www.bbc.com/news/business-38928028 Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: English-speaking taxi number?
On 07/30/2018 09:48 AM, Andrej Shadura wrote: >> You have more a problem with the fact that UBER uses proprietary software >> than the fact that they are exploiting their workers through by declaring >> them as "contractors" through the help of loopholes in the law? [1, 2] > > That is incorrect, since the drivers issue their own invoices to the > passengers, they decide when and how much they want to drive, and they > enjoy freedoms not usually available to employees, like working any > number of hours they like or having as many rides as they want. I do > agree Uber might provide them some benefits usually available to > employees only, but that is a different issue. > In case of Uber, Uber doesn’t control what and how needs to be done, > it’s the driver who does, which makes them rightfully contractors, not > employees. It's not incorrect, it's the ruling of the highest European court: > https://www.ft.com/content/7f280664-e565-11e7-97e2-916d4fbac0da Quoting: The final ruling from the Luxembourg-based judges, which cannot be appealed against, found that despite Uber’s reliance on technology, the company was “more than an intermediation service” for people trying to hail a cab. The ruling found Uber “must be classified as a ‘service in the field of transport’ within the meaning of EU law”, giving national capitals the ability to regulate it as any other minicab or taxi business, excluding it from looser rules that govern the bloc’s digital economy. And before you say, this doesn't counter your argument, yes it does. It's pretty much the main point that was discussed in court here: Whether Uber is just providing the service to bring customers and drivers together or whether they are a taxi business subject to the usual regulation. You know, both legislators and authorities aren't stupid. They know that if something walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and swims like a duck, it most likely is a duck. Customers contract Uber which then tell drivers where to collect those customers and bring them to their destination. The money is collected by Uber and the drivers don't have any saying over the pricing. If Uber drivers were 100% independent contractors - as you claim - they would be able to set their prices and Uber wouldn't collect the money themselves, the driver would. Misclassification of employees as independent contractors is always measured using multiple requirements. And it's enough that just some of the requirements are met, e.g. in this case the inability to set their own prices. The trick that Uber is pulling here isn't new at all. Lots of companies have tried to use the contractor construction in the past and they always failed. So it's really pointless to keep up this argument, especially after the court ruling. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: English-speaking taxi number?
On 07/29/2018 07:52 AM, John Sullivan wrote: > (trying to avoid direct use of Uber due to the proprietary software > required) You have more a problem with the fact that UBER uses proprietary software than the fact that they are exploiting their workers through by declaring them as "contractors" through the help of loopholes in the law? [1, 2] Adrian > [1] > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misclassification_of_employees_as_independent_contractors > [2] > https://theoutline.com/post/4554/uber-drivers-minimum-wage-study-economic-policy-institute-mit -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: Dormitory 12 air conditioning controller guide
On 07/23/2018 02:28 PM, Lumin wrote: > 冷氣 air cooling mode | 強風 strong wind > 除溼 air dehumidifying mode | 弱風 weak wind > 送風 just blow | 微風 breeze > > 功能 function | 風速 power speed > 舒眠 (maybe quiet mode) | 定時 timed > 運轉 running > 韻律 (maybe periodic) | 電源 power Funny how most of these can be easily read when you understand Japanese ^_^. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: [Totally off topic] Clothes material recommendation [Re: Temperature setting for conference venue, hacklab, and on-site accommodation]
On 07/21/2018 01:26 PM, Andreas Tille wrote: > Recommendations from local where to buy clothes with sensible features > for the climate in Taiwan are welcome. They have Uniqlo in Taiwan, prices are very cheap. So if you're not sure what to bring, just go to Uniqlo and buy some clothes there. I still have the wind-jacket I bought in Kaohsiung two years ago for 10 USD ;). Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: DC18 - Currency
On 07/18/2018 03:06 AM, Thomas Kuiper wrote: > But you need to find 7-11. At most major banks in Japan, those cards will NOT > work :-) I'm pretty sure the 7-11 ATM I used at Neyagawa train station four months ago was not actually inside a 7-11, it was just single machine. And, as for finding an ATM. I think as a Debian Developer/Maintainer/Contributor, one should be trained enough with the use of Google Maps or similar services to find an ATM :). > Anyhow in Japan you pay in the stores with VISA, Mastercard. Oddly never an > issue there ;p Paying with VISA cards in stores has never been a problem for me except, well, in Germany itself where VISA cards are usually frowned upon. I lived in Norway for a year and usually never had any cash on me. It felt such a step backwards coming back to Germany. > Thomas > Also a German (actually in Tokyo right now). I will be coming back next spring :). But I guess we're getting off-topic. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: DC18 - Currency
On 07/18/2018 02:59 AM, Norbert Preining wrote: >> and my German VISA card, usually at 7-11. Even in smaller towns like > > Yes, 7-11, this is the way to go, but who of a first time visitor would > expect that the best (if not only) place to get money is a convenience > store! It's not limited to 7-11. They also have ATMs in shopping malls which work just fine. In fact, I have only withdrawn money from a 7-11 ATM only once after I went to a Japanese bank in Neyagawa which wouldn't take my card. But the tellers in the bank were so kind to point me to the next 7-11 ATM at the main station. Last time, I even used my German VISA card to pay for my groceries at Mandai supermarket because I ran out of cash and to my surprise, it just worked. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: DC18 - Currency
On 07/18/2018 02:26 AM, Norbert Preining wrote: >> Just find an ATM with the VISA logo. > > You incredible travel experience seems to never have brought you to such > highly civilized countries as Japan ... getting cash here is a pain, > still in 2018. One of my best friends is a professor in Japan and I'm going to Japan to visit him usually twice a year. I think, I mentioned that I had no problems so far withdrawing money in Japan using both my Norwegian and my German VISA card, usually at 7-11. Even in smaller towns like Maebashi or Neyagawa. PS: I have been to two Debian Benkyou-kais in Japan. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: DC18 - Currency
Are we talking about exchanging cash or withdrawing money from the ATM? I am asking because the later can be clearly looked up on the internet. Google tells you how much “X USD in NTD” are and your bank will tell you how much they will charge you for withdrawing money abroad. It’s a bank-specific fee with the rare occasion that the ATM owner will charge an extra fee. Adrian > On Jul 17, 2018, at 7:27 PM, Peter van Summeren > wrote: > > Hello Paulo Henrique, > No, it doesn't answer your question because my experiece is that I have to > pay the exchange rate at that time (which I can not check) + some fixed fee > to my bank home (in case of Mastercard) > I take it as it is. I always get less then it should be. I exchange at places > where many use the atm. > So sorry. > With friendly greetings , > Peter van Summeren > > > Outlook voor Android downloaden > > From: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 7:03:37 PM > To: Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana > Cc: debconf-discuss > Subject: Re: DC18 - Currency > > > > On Jul 17, 2018, at 6:59 PM, Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana > wrote: > >> - Mensagem original - >>> De: "John Paul Adrian Glaubitz" >>> >>> Unless you don't have a VISA card or your bank has very bad conditions >>> for using an ATM abroad, exchanging cash at the airport doesn't make >>> much sense. >> >> Thanks, but this doesn't answer my question about exchange rate at airport. > > You can try to give them a call: > > > https://www.taoyuan-airport.com/english/store3_detail/Bank%20Of%20Taiwan%20(24%20hours%20Currency%20Exchange) > > Adrian
Re: DC18 - Currency
> On Jul 17, 2018, at 6:59 PM, Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana > wrote: > > - Mensagem original ----- >> De: "John Paul Adrian Glaubitz" >> >> Unless you don't have a VISA card or your bank has very bad conditions >> for using an ATM abroad, exchanging cash at the airport doesn't make >> much sense. > > Thanks, but this doesn't answer my question about exchange rate at airport. You can try to give them a call: > https://www.taoyuan-airport.com/english/store3_detail/Bank%20Of%20Taiwan%20(24%20hours%20Currency%20Exchange) Adrian
Re: DC18 - Currency
On 07/17/2018 06:23 PM, Peter van Summeren wrote: > You are so sure. Yes, quite sure since I am actually traveling a lot and never had to bring any cash in advance in the past 10 to 15 years. My VISA cards always worked. > What shall I tell you? Forget it. I was merely asking what kind of VISA you were talking about when you said "American kind"? Maybe you are confusing VISA with a regular Dutch banking card (Maestro)? VISA and MasterCard are normally accepted world-wide (except for a few merchants as mentioned before; ATMs always worked for me), national bank cards like Maestro or the German "ec-Karte" are not or are very limited. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: DC18 - Currency
On 07/17/2018 06:09 PM, Peter van Summeren wrote: > I could use my MasterCard with atm's. You have to go to the ones used by the > public. > I also took cash with me for emergency. > For Taiwan there is another brand of Visa. What kind of brand should that be? VISA should be VISA, there is no difference. There can be some merchants though that limit the acceptance of VISA cards to a certain country. I made this experience in Japan, for example, when buying from Yahoo Japan which accepts Japanese VISA cards only. > This kind of card is used by americans. Pretty sure that's the standard VISA card. > Ask your bank at home. > (My Visa card did not work at all banks) That might be because these banks did not support VISA at all. I have been to banks in Japan which would take cards from their own customers only, but I just got cash from 7-11's ATMs. > Expect no help from the counter. Just find an ATM with the VISA logo. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: DC18 - Currency
On 07/17/2018 05:14 PM, Samuel Henrique wrote: > On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 at 12:12, Louis-Philippe Véronneau <mailto:po...@debian.org>> wrote: > > My visa card was accepted in the ATM at the airport and I took out money > that way. Normally it's the cheapest way to get local currency. > > > I think Paulo means the exchange rate of NTD at the airport. Unless you don't have a VISA card or your bank has very bad conditions for using an ATM abroad, exchanging cash at the airport doesn't make much sense. I have been in Taiwan in 2016 and I could just use my VISA at Kaohsiung port terminal to withdraw enough money for my stay without any additional fees. They also sold SIM cards there at ridiculously low prices with unlimited internet for 5 days for something like 600 NTD. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
