Re: DC20: Questions regarding device inspections at the airport
Hi! Am 2019-03-21 21:09, schrieb Stefano Rivera: On leaving the country (just before the gate to board the plane) I was questioned a little more in-depth. Esp. about any previous travel to the middle-east. Again, no searches or documentation required. I did some business trips to Isreal and also attened some conference there. For occurences it was possible to send the answers to most of these questions in advance. So in the security check for leaving I only had to show a letter with a barcode or even just the conference badge, and had only a very brief security check. But I assume the local organizers are aware of that and already invesitgating whether that's doable for them ;) Best regards, Alexander PS: As a long haired white male I also had no problem traveling to Isreal whith a stamp of a previous travel to Egypt in my passport.
Re: DC20: Questions regarding device inspections at the airport
Hi Ștefano, On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 1:09 PM, Stefano Rivera wrote: > Hi Giacomo (2019.03.21_12:49:20_+0200) >> So they relay much on screening (you will see at airport: many questions, >> different steps and queues, but you still can keep liquids). >> I really doubts you will have the laptop confiscated for "no particular >> reasons". As I wrote, Israeli security is very professional (and less >> security theater), they, for sure, know that there is cloud, if one should >> "import" nasty data. > > That was my experience from the visit I made to the venue, too. > Immigration was just a couple of questions, without needing to see any > documentation. Probably better than my average US Immigration experience > (and I have far too much of that). > > On leaving the country (just before the gate to board the plane) I was > questioned a little more in-depth. Esp. about any previous travel to the > middle-east. Again, no searches or documentation required. > > That said, I'm pretty low risk to them, as an employed middle-class > white guy. > > SR > > -- > Stefano Rivera > http://tumbleweed.org.za/ > +1 415 683 3272 If you admit to travel to the Middle East you will be excluded from visiting again. Also if they see a stamp on your passport from a middle eastern country they will deny entry. They often ask and check for the stamps on entry too but because they can’t spend that time in each visitor it is done randomly and mostly focuses on people they believe to be Muslim or Middle Eastern and of verifies you get denied entry and set in immigration hold and put on the next commercial flight back to your country of origin. This is precisely one of the reasons it should be a concern for Debconf being in Israel because Muslim or Middle Eastern contributors will be denied entry.
Re: DC20: Questions regarding device inspections at the airport
Hi Giacomo (2019.03.21_12:49:20_+0200) > So they relay much on screening (you will see at airport: many questions, > different steps and queues, but you still can keep liquids). > I really doubts you will have the laptop confiscated for "no particular > reasons". As I wrote, Israeli security is very professional (and less > security theater), they, for sure, know that there is cloud, if one should > "import" nasty data. That was my experience from the visit I made to the venue, too. Immigration was just a couple of questions, without needing to see any documentation. Probably better than my average US Immigration experience (and I have far too much of that). On leaving the country (just before the gate to board the plane) I was questioned a little more in-depth. Esp. about any previous travel to the middle-east. Again, no searches or documentation required. That said, I'm pretty low risk to them, as an employed middle-class white guy. SR -- Stefano Rivera http://tumbleweed.org.za/ +1 415 683 3272
Re: DC20: Questions regarding device inspections at the airport
On 21.03.2019 10:13, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: Hi Tzafrir! Thanks for organizing DebConf20 in Israel, I'm looking forward to traveling to Haifa, the Silicon Valley of the Middle East. Now, I have done some initial research regarding traveling to Israel on the website of my country's department of foreign affairs, I'm traveling from Germany. One note mentioned there is that at the airports, laptops might get confiscated by border patrol agents for examination. This can last several days and in such cases, the laptop is sent back for free [1]. Can you make any comment on this? Is this a common situation or rather exceptional? I would definitely love going to Haifa for DebConf, but I would have a problem with my laptop being confiscated for no particular reasons. As far I know, it is exceptional (and there are similar rules also here, in Europe, and in other countries). What I find nice of Israeli security policies, it is they make much less security theater, and much more (effective) screening. BTW, one of the large income of Israel is tourism, so it has not many very closed policies. So they relay much on screening (you will see at airport: many questions, different steps and queues, but you still can keep liquids). I really doubts you will have the laptop confiscated for "no particular reasons". As I wrote, Israeli security is very professional (and less security theater), they, for sure, know that there is cloud, if one should "import" nasty data. As far I know, Israel is not on the list (made by different companies), where a clean laptop is required (and provided). ciao cate PS: but I would not store our GPG master private key on laptop (but this is a general rule).
DC20: Questions regarding device inspections at the airport
Hi Tzafrir! Thanks for organizing DebConf20 in Israel, I'm looking forward to traveling to Haifa, the Silicon Valley of the Middle East. Now, I have done some initial research regarding traveling to Israel on the website of my country's department of foreign affairs, I'm traveling from Germany. One note mentioned there is that at the airports, laptops might get confiscated by border patrol agents for examination. This can last several days and in such cases, the laptop is sent back for free [1]. Can you make any comment on this? Is this a common situation or rather exceptional? I would definitely love going to Haifa for DebConf, but I would have a problem with my laptop being confiscated for no particular reasons. Thanks, Adrian > [1] > https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/de/aussenpolitik/laender/israel-node/israelsicherheit/203814#content_3 -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
