Re: [Debconf-team] Using pentabarf for minidebconfindia
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 01:28:35PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: There is no Debian standard, there is just one application used for the Debian conference. It is not, by far, a simple application to set up. And it is quite diverging from upstream. Perhaps I'm completely missing the point and I learned in the past to trust Gunnar's words. However, if you consider a MiniDebconf as a Debconf with just a shorter time frame and less people, why could those conferences not hosted on the very same Penta installation as we use for the big DebConf. There might be an overlap of participiants which is nice for these to insert their data only once and formalising to this DebConf Standard also for MiniDebConfs might be an advantage. I'm sorry if this is a quite naive remark of a Penta illiterate person and I could be silenced by a simple: You are stupid this will not work that way. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Using pentabarf for minidebconfindia
Andreas Tille dijo [Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 11:04:51AM +0200]: There is no Debian standard, there is just one application used for the Debian conference. It is not, by far, a simple application to set up. And it is quite diverging from upstream. Perhaps I'm completely missing the point and I learned in the past to trust Gunnar's words. However, if you consider a MiniDebconf as a Debconf with just a shorter time frame and less people, why could those conferences not hosted on the very same Penta installation as we use for the big DebConf. There might be an overlap of participiants which is nice for these to insert their data only once and formalising to this DebConf Standard also for MiniDebConfs might be an advantage. I'm sorry if this is a quite naive remark of a Penta illiterate person and I could be silenced by a simple: You are stupid this will not work that way. There are several conference-specific modifications to Pentabarf that have to be done for each individual conference. Even though upstream's Pentabarf supports a multi-conference setting, for practical purposes, ours doesn't anymore - i.e. the validation for dates or for attendance types includes hardwired information for the current conference (so would be basically impossible for you to register properly for DC9 now, even if we were to set it to receive new registrations. Pentabarf is flexible enough to accomodate for our workflows, but the existing instance, with the modifications done it's basically rigidized to the only current conference. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Using pentabarf for minidebconfindia
Praveen A dijo [Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 07:19:53PM +0530]: I don't know if this is feasible. Our Pentabarf is heavily tweaked for DebConf's peculiarities, which are not few, and I'd really prefer not to drive it in two different directions at once (as a miniDebConf has quite different needs than a full DebConf). As for setting up a completely independent installation, Joerg Jaspert disuaded me from trying, saying it is really not a nice beast to set up. hmm last year we were trying to setup our own registration systems and it was Joerg who suggested pentabarf :) What are your specific needs for requesting Pentabarf? What do you want to manage with it? There are several systems for managing (more regular) conferences, which I'm sure will be much easier to set up and use. We just need an attendance register, with a few checkboxes, like I want a T Shirt, I want food, Please arrange stay for me, I will bring my laptop etc. We would not want people to create a new login every year too. Also it would make minidebconf much closer to debconf too - in the way how it is organised. If you suggestion is to setup a different system, we can do that too. Well, I cannot obviously speak for Joerg - I am the current person in charge for Pentabarf modifications for DC11, and... Well, I know that if I install it for your miniconf, I'll be hating you as much as I hate the whole world by now ;-) What you need is, I guess, a much smaller system, maybe even a simple homebrewn little webapp with as little information on it as possible - but what's IMO most important: With local knowledge to be able to modify it and extract any data you need from it whenever need it, without having to coordinate with people living across the ocean and in different timezones. Greeetings, ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Using pentabarf for minidebconfindia
On Mon, 11 Apr 2011, Gunnar Wolf wrote: Well, I cannot obviously speak for Joerg - I am the current person in charge for Pentabarf modifications for DC11, and... Well, I know that if I install it for your miniconf, I'll be hating you as much as I hate the whole world by now ;-) Well, I would like to atleast try and get pentabarf set up. Hopefully there will be more events in the fute and in the long run It would probably be a better idea to use the Debian standard rather than some homebrew app. And perhaps I might be able to be of assistance at future debconfs. So I would like to atleast take a stab at this. What machine is the current installation on? Any documentation? What you need is, I guess, a much smaller system, maybe even a simple homebrewn little webapp with as little information on it as possible - but what's IMO most important: With local knowledge to be able to modify it and extract any data you need from it whenever need it, without having to coordinate with people living across the ocean and in different timezones. And this will be the backup plan if I start hating the world too. :-) -- Jaldhar H. Vyas jald...@debian.org ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Using pentabarf for minidebconfindia
Jaldhar H. Vyas dijo [Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 01:53:49PM -0400]: Well, I cannot obviously speak for Joerg - I am the current person in charge for Pentabarf modifications for DC11, and... Well, I know that if I install it for your miniconf, I'll be hating you as much as I hate the whole world by now ;-) Well, I would like to atleast try and get pentabarf set up. Hopefully there will be more events in the fute and in the long run It would probably be a better idea to use the Debian standard rather than some homebrew app. And perhaps I might be able to be of assistance at future debconfs. So I would like to atleast take a stab at this. What machine is the current installation on? Any documentation? There is no Debian standard, there is just one application used for the Debian conference. It is not, by far, a simple application to set up. And it is quite diverging from upstream. Different conferences have different needs, information flows, etc. There is really no documentation on our install, besides an +- one page long blurb I did together with the mail from Joerg explaining to me how to use it. I am sadly too overwhelmed by work, and I fear I should have not taken many roles I have taken (such as the Penta-master). I frankly cannot offer you any help, as I'm often frustrated by my lack of time to do DebConf stuff - and my real life work has been seriously lagging behind me. So, please, do not use Penta. Greetings, ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
