Problems with Squeeze alpha1 in qemu
Hi. I am trying to run the new squeeze alpha1 installer under qemu with -curses. Apparently, the new installer forces a graphical boot menu which results in -curses of qemu not working as expected, i.e. qemu reports the system switched to 640x480. Does anyone know how to disable this misfeature and force the installer to stay in text-mode? fb=false does not help here since due to the graphical boot menu, I can not really enter that string. -- CYa, ⡍⠁⠗⠊⠕ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-accessibility-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87wry4w500@x4.delysid.org
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yelp in Gnome 2.28
Hi. As people who run Gnome 2.28 know, yelp is currently not accessible in Debian. The problem is Debian decided to switch to the webkit backend before it was accessible. I've filed a bug in Debian (571121) Upstream yelp still uses gecko, but the Debian Gnome maintainer says the gecko backend for yelp isn't buildable currently. I'm at the point I need advice. The best answer would be to replace the current yelp with the current upstream. The other option is for someone in Debian to write an Orca script. This would only give some access to yelp, but it would be better than the current situation. I don't know enough to build the yelp package or write the script, so I'm posting here. Kenny -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-accessibility-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100223215554.ga9...@blackbox.hittsjunk.net
Re: yelp in Gnome 2.28
An Orca script wont do the trick. Webkit is not accessible in Linux by screen readers, period. Based on the total lack of discussion I see on the webkit mailing list, I assume webkit will remain non-accessible for years. Therefore, all major Gnome apps must continue to use gecko rather than webkit. For Vinux (which derives from Debian and Ubuntu), we're sticking to the older version of yelp, which still works fine. Bill On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Kenny Hitt ke...@hittsjunk.net wrote: Hi. As people who run Gnome 2.28 know, yelp is currently not accessible in Debian. The problem is Debian decided to switch to the webkit backend before it was accessible. I've filed a bug in Debian (571121) Upstream yelp still uses gecko, but the Debian Gnome maintainer says the gecko backend for yelp isn't buildable currently. I'm at the point I need advice. The best answer would be to replace the current yelp with the current upstream. The other option is for someone in Debian to write an Orca script. This would only give some access to yelp, but it would be better than the current situation. I don't know enough to build the yelp package or write the script, so I'm posting here. Kenny -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-accessibility-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100223215554.ga9...@blackbox.hittsjunk.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-accessibility-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/499d69a01002231425jdf26d52s40f76d7f41973...@mail.gmail.com
Re: yelp in Gnome 2.28
Hi. Be careful when you assume. Both the Orca developers and webkit developers are working on accessibility. The plan is to have it finished by the release of Gnome 3.0. If you want to learn more, there's a thread on the gnome-accessibility list. Kenny On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 05:25:58PM -0500, Bill Cox wrote: An Orca script wont do the trick. Webkit is not accessible in Linux by screen readers, period. Based on the total lack of discussion I see on the webkit mailing list, I assume webkit will remain non-accessible for years. Therefore, all major Gnome apps must continue to use gecko rather than webkit. For Vinux (which derives from Debian and Ubuntu), we're sticking to the older version of yelp, which still works fine. Bill On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Kenny Hitt ke...@hittsjunk.net wrote: Hi. As people who run Gnome 2.28 know, yelp is currently not accessible in Debian. The problem is Debian decided to switch to the webkit backend before it was accessible. I've filed a bug in Debian (571121) Upstream yelp still uses gecko, but the Debian Gnome maintainer says the gecko backend for yelp isn't buildable currently. I'm at the point I need advice. The best answer would be to replace the current yelp with the current upstream. The other option is for someone in Debian to write an Orca script. This would only give some access to yelp, but it would be better than the current situation. I don't know enough to build the yelp package or write the script, so I'm posting here. Kenny -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-accessibility-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100223215554.ga9...@blackbox.hittsjunk.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-accessibility-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/499d69a01002231425jdf26d52s40f76d7f41973...@mail.gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-accessibility-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100223223638.ga2...@blackbox.hittsjunk.net
Re: yelp in Gnome 2.28
Thanks for the tip! I had not found any current (newer than 2008) discussion on the net about webkit accessibility. However, until this important work is done, it's important for developers to know to hold off on switching to webkit. For example, Ubuntu wrote the new software-center app with webkit, and therefore the blind can't use it. Not only that, they've let gnome-app-install fall into disrepair, so that the blind can't even use the old app. I think that Debian and Ubunt should have a check box for accepting new core packages that everyone uses, and which show up in the menus: does it work with a screen reader? It kills me that Ubuntu wrote a whole new app to replace gnome-app-install based on webkit. They're distro will have this accessibility black-mark until webkit is fixed. I'll sign up on the gnome-accessibility list, and try to stay informed. Bill On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Kenny Hitt ke...@hittsjunk.net wrote: Hi. Be careful when you assume. Both the Orca developers and webkit developers are working on accessibility. The plan is to have it finished by the release of Gnome 3.0. If you want to learn more, there's a thread on the gnome-accessibility list. Kenny On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 05:25:58PM -0500, Bill Cox wrote: An Orca script wont do the trick. Webkit is not accessible in Linux by screen readers, period. Based on the total lack of discussion I see on the webkit mailing list, I assume webkit will remain non-accessible for years. Therefore, all major Gnome apps must continue to use gecko rather than webkit. For Vinux (which derives from Debian and Ubuntu), we're sticking to the older version of yelp, which still works fine. Bill On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Kenny Hitt ke...@hittsjunk.net wrote: Hi. As people who run Gnome 2.28 know, yelp is currently not accessible in Debian. The problem is Debian decided to switch to the webkit backend before it was accessible. I've filed a bug in Debian (571121) Upstream yelp still uses gecko, but the Debian Gnome maintainer says the gecko backend for yelp isn't buildable currently. I'm at the point I need advice. The best answer would be to replace the current yelp with the current upstream. The other option is for someone in Debian to write an Orca script. This would only give some access to yelp, but it would be better than the current situation. I don't know enough to build the yelp package or write the script, so I'm posting here. Kenny -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-accessibility-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100223215554.ga9...@blackbox.hittsjunk.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-accessibility-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/499d69a01002231425jdf26d52s40f76d7f41973...@mail.gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-accessibility-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100223223638.ga2...@blackbox.hittsjunk.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-accessibility-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/499d69a01002231451u7804b637kc5a1a184fd9ae...@mail.gmail.com
Re: yelp in Gnome 2.28
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 09:51:51AM EST, Bill Cox wrote: Thanks for the tip! I had not found any current (newer than 2008) discussion on the net about webkit accessibility. However, until this important work is done, it's important for developers to know to hold off on switching to webkit. For example, Ubuntu wrote the new software-center app with webkit, and therefore the blind can't use it. Not only that, they've let gnome-app-install fall into disrepair, so that the blind can't even use the old app. I can tell you that yelp at least has been switched back to using gecko for Ubuntu lucid. As for gnome-app-install, I'll investigate to see how its broken, and see about fixing it. Luke -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-accessibility-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100223231546.gf2...@strigy.yelavich.home
