Re: live system during install and debian mate

[Amir-Trend Plus]

hi,
is it true the graphical installer is not accessible? hen why one needs live 
system iso? and is it true for all debian versions? i am downloading the debian 
8 latest live.  the problem now, using the cd installer, 650 mb, i cannot skip 
the connection prompt. i am a beginner user, thats why i don't know how to 
configure network using the terminal. i heard vinux was based on debian yeeaars 
ago, vinux 2 i think, that means that the installer was accessible at that 
time. or, maybe i understand it uncorrectly?

amir.
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> On 4 Apr 2017, at 5:39 AM, Samuel Thibault  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Amir-Trend Plus, on lun. 03 avril 2017 23:48:06 +0800, wrote:
>> "The gnome liveCD has screen reader support. At the boot menu, one has
>> to type enter (TODO: add beep). Then the desktop launches up (TODO:
>> add beep), and one can press super-alt-s to start Orca."
> 
> Note that this is about the liveCD.
> 
>> http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-8.7.1-i386-CD-1.iso
> 
> That is not the liveCD, but the installation CD. So nothing of the above
> paragraph applies to that images. The paragraph quoted above applies to
> the liveCD images only, from
> 
> https://www.debian.org/CD/live/
> 
>> i want the graphical installer, similar to ubuntu or vinux.
> 
> That is not accessible yet.
> 
> Samuel

Bug#859477: debian-live: Make desktop emit some sound on startup

[Samuel Thibault]

Package: debian-live
Severity: normal
User: debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org
Usertags: a11y

Hello,

The debian live cd is accessible to blind people by pressing
super-alt-s. It is however hard to know when one can press that
shortcut. The desktop should thus emit some sound when it is ready to
interpret shortcuts.

Samuel

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Re: live system during install and debian mate

[Samuel Thibault]

Hello,

Amir-Trend Plus, on lun. 03 avril 2017 23:48:06 +0800, wrote:
> "The gnome liveCD has screen reader support. At the boot menu, one has
> to type enter (TODO: add beep). Then the desktop launches up (TODO:
> add beep), and one can press super-alt-s to start Orca."

Note that this is about the liveCD.

> http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-8.7.1-i386-CD-1.iso

That is not the liveCD, but the installation CD. So nothing of the above
paragraph applies to that images. The paragraph quoted above applies to
the liveCD images only, from

https://www.debian.org/CD/live/

> i want the graphical installer, similar to ubuntu or vinux.

That is not accessible yet.

Samuel

Re: live system during install and debian mate

[mattias]

so ubuntu mate graphical install are unstable?

think not..

so can ubuntu do it. debian can too


Den 2017-04-03 kl. 18:19, skrev Jude DaShiell:


That is a terminalinstaller and so far as I know that's the only 
installer since gnome is not fully installed on a system until after 
all downloads are done what gnome you get on live dvd is too unstable 
to do an accessible install. Orca has too few developers and has to be 
constantly servicing firefox thunderbird and libreoffice 
accessibilitty flaws and that has been the case for its entire life 
cycle there is little to no time to fix anything else. Doing things in 
terminal for you will be eating your vegetables. The terminal takes 
you under the hood where all the real controls live and you did not 
even get into bash programming yet. For later reference if you write a 
bash script that does something useful maybe using the dialog package 
for eye candy you can then use the xenity package to make something 
you can run with gnome without going anywhere that acursed awful 
horrible no good terrible terminal.


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On Apr 3, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Amir-Trend Plus > wrote:

Hi,
sorry, but i am puzzled.
according to this,
"The gnome liveCD has screen reader support. At the boot menu, one has
to type enter (TODO: add beep). Then the desktop launches up (TODO:
add beep), and one can press super-alt-s to start Orca."
from the debian accessibility, but when i did the same, nothing
happens, i heard the first beep, and i hit enter, and waited for
several times, but no beep, but i press alt+super+s, and nothing.
maybe it is stucked when loading live desktop? but if at the first
beep, i press s and enter, it will load the terminal, pseak up came. i
dont want terminal install, i am a nubi. i want the graphical
installer, similar to ubuntu or vinux. the installer i used, 650 mb,
was,
http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-8.7.1-i386-CD-1.iso 


but just now i did find the live installer, 999 mb, in size. Is that
the one i should use?
it has a lot of desktops, i chose mate desktop, so is it the one? any
steps required in order to use debian with mate instead of gnome?

Re: live system during install and debian mate

[Jude DaShiell]

That is a terminalinstaller and so far as I know that's the only installer 
since gnome is not fully installed on a system until after all downloads are 
done what gnome you get on live dvd is too unstable to do an accessible 
install. Orca has too few developers and has to be constantly servicing firefox 
thunderbird and libreoffice accessibilitty flaws and that has been the case for 
its entire life cycle there is little to no time to fix anything else. Doing 
things in terminal for you will be eating your vegetables. The terminal takes 
you under the hood where all the real controls live and you did not even get 
into bash programming yet. For later reference if you write a bash script that 
does something useful maybe using the dialog package for eye candy you can then 
use the xenity package to make something you can run with gnome without going 
anywhere that acursed awful horrible no good terrible terminal.

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On Apr 3, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Amir-Trend Plus  wrote:

Hi, 
sorry, but i am puzzled. 
according to this, 
"The gnome liveCD has screen reader support. At the boot menu, one has 
to type enter (TODO: add beep). Then the desktop launches up (TODO: 
add beep), and one can press super-alt-s to start Orca." 
from the debian accessibility, but when i did the same, nothing 
happens, i heard the first beep, and i hit enter, and waited for 
several times, but no beep, but i press alt+super+s, and nothing. 
maybe it is stucked when loading live desktop? but if at the first 
beep, i press s and enter, it will load the terminal, pseak up came. i 
dont want terminal install, i am a nubi. i want the graphical 
installer, similar to ubuntu or vinux. the installer i used, 650 mb, 
was, 
http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-8.7.1-i386-CD-1.iso
 
but just now i did find the live installer, 999 mb, in size. Is that 
the one i should use? 
it has a lot of desktops, i chose mate desktop, so is it the one? any 
steps required in order to use debian with mate instead of gnome? 

live system during install and debian mate

[Amir-Trend Plus]

Hi,
sorry, but i am puzzled.
according to this,
"The gnome liveCD has screen reader support. At the boot menu, one has
to type enter (TODO: add beep). Then the desktop launches up (TODO:
add beep), and one can press super-alt-s to start Orca."
from the debian accessibility, but when i did the same, nothing
happens, i heard the first beep, and i hit enter, and waited for
several times, but no beep, but  i press alt+super+s, and nothing.
maybe it is stucked when loading live desktop? but if at the first
beep, i press s and enter, it will load the terminal, pseak up came. i
dont want terminal install, i am a nubi. i want the graphical
installer, similar to ubuntu or vinux. the installer i used, 650 mb,
was,
http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-8.7.1-i386-CD-1.iso
but just now i did find the live installer, 999 mb, in size. Is that
the one i should use?
it has a lot of desktops, i chose mate desktop, so is it the one? any
steps required in order to use debian with mate instead of gnome?

Re: Updating gnome-orca to version 3.24

[Sebastian Humenda]

Hi

TheSuperGeek schrieb am 02.04.2017, 17:05 -0400:
>I'm new to packaging and i saw that Orcan wasn't at the latest version in
>debian sid. So i propose for learning packaging to propose a patch to update
>it.
Please fetch the latest sources using e.g. debcheckout. If you have something
ready, just attach it to your email.

If you haven't packaged something before, I can recommend joining
#debian-mentors on IRC (irc.oftc.net), people are generally very helpful. You
can also chat with us in #debian-a11y on the same network.

Good luck on getting started!
Cheers
Sebastian
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