Re: possibility to install debian in Russian using A11Y

2018-03-10 Thread александр епанешников

ok thx

10.03.2018 23:07, Samuel Thibault пишет:

александр епанешников, on sam. 10 mars 2018 23:02:55 +0300, wrote:

OK. I'll wait. and what package update should I wait for?

Console-setup version 1.179 should have the fix when it gets uploaded.

Samuel




Re: possibility to install debian in Russian using A11Y

2018-03-10 Thread Samuel Thibault
александр епанешников, on sam. 10 mars 2018 23:02:55 +0300, wrote:
> OK. I'll wait. and what package update should I wait for?

Console-setup version 1.179 should have the fix when it gets uploaded.

Samuel



Re: possibility to install debian in Russian using A11Y

2018-03-10 Thread александр епанешников

OK. I'll wait. and what package update should I wait for?


10.03.2018 23:00, Samuel Thibault пишет:

александр епанешников, on sam. 10 mars 2018 22:57:55 +0300, wrote:

works perfectly. Thank you for that.
two questions, if I now install system, does it work well also there?

Not yet, the fix will have to reach unstable then testing.


and will this fix be included in the next day snapshot or alpha release?

I don't know exactly when it will be uploaded. Daily snapshot clearly
no, next alpha release, perhaps.

Samuel




Re: possibility to install debian in Russian using A11Y

2018-03-10 Thread Samuel Thibault
александр епанешников, on sam. 10 mars 2018 22:57:55 +0300, wrote:
> works perfectly. Thank you for that.
> two questions, if I now install system, does it work well also there?

Not yet, the fix will have to reach unstable then testing.

> and will this fix be included in the next day snapshot or alpha release?   

I don't know exactly when it will be uploaded. Daily snapshot clearly
no, next alpha release, perhaps.

Samuel



Re: possibility to install debian in Russian using A11Y

2018-03-10 Thread александр епанешников

works perfectly. Thank you for that.
two questions, if I now install system, does it work well also there?
and will this fix be included in the next day snapshot or alpha release?


10.03.2018 22:19, Samuel Thibault пишет:

Samuel Thibault, on sam. 10 mars 2018 09:30:10 +0100, wrote:

александр епанешников, on ven. 09 mars 2018 16:20:48 +0300, wrote:

when reading the terminal automatically, everything is fine, but if you need to
read a line, word or symbol, some Russian letters are replaced by English ones.
eg, н on h, р on p.

Mmm, I see.  I guess this is because of the font which reduces the font
size by collapsing these letters, and thus the screen reader can't
re-read them.  I'll have a look at disabling this unwanted feature.

Could you retry https://people.debian.org/~sthibault/tmp/mini.iso ?

Samuel




Re: possibility to install debian in Russian using A11Y

2018-03-10 Thread Samuel Thibault
Samuel Thibault, on sam. 10 mars 2018 09:30:10 +0100, wrote:
> александр епанешников, on ven. 09 mars 2018 16:20:48 +0300, wrote:
> > when reading the terminal automatically, everything is fine, but if you 
> > need to
> > read a line, word or symbol, some Russian letters are replaced by English 
> > ones.
> > eg, н on h, р on p.
> 
> Mmm, I see.  I guess this is because of the font which reduces the font
> size by collapsing these letters, and thus the screen reader can't
> re-read them.  I'll have a look at disabling this unwanted feature.

Could you retry https://people.debian.org/~sthibault/tmp/mini.iso ?

Samuel



Re: Mate Upstream Keyboard Shortcuts Unbound in Debian

2018-03-10 Thread am_dxer
Including the Mate list. I probably should have done that to begin with.

On Sat, Mar 10, 2018, at 8:42 AM, am_d...@fastmail.fm wrote:
> Hi,
> From the bug you sent, I was able to determine where the keyboard shortcuts 
> are being overridden in Debian. See 
> https://anonscm.debian.org/git/pkg-mate/mate-desktop-environment.git/tree/debian/10_mate-common.gschema.override.
> Looking at that file, we can see this. switch-windows-
> all='Tab'
> On a ifferent Linux distrobution that is using vanilla mate, we can see 
> this through gsettings.
> 
> gsettings get org.mate.Marco.global-keybindings switch-windows-all
> 'disabled'
> 
> gsettings get org.mate.Marco.global-keybindings switch-panels
> 'Tab'
> 
> So it appears Debian is reassigning the keyboard shortcut Control+Alt
> +Tab from switch-panels to switch-windows-all. This is in the master 
> branch of packaging so I don't think there is a change for this in Sid. 
> I know that we have some Debian Mate maintainers that are also upstream 
> Mate developers so maybe if this is desired for some reason, it could be 
> pushed upstream instead. I just think it helps everyone's sanity if we 
> can keep keyboard shortcuts consistant across distrobutions if possible.
> 
> On Sat, Mar 10, 2018, at 2:16 AM, Alex ARNAUD wrote:
> > Le 09/03/2018 à 19:51, am_d...@fastmail.fm a écrit :
> > > Hello,
> > > I noticed that the shortcut to switch between panels in a popup 
> > > (Control+Alt+Tab is unbound in Debian in the latest testing. I was not 
> > > sure if this was done for some reason or if this might be a bug? It seems 
> > > bound in other Linux's but maybe it conflicts with something I am not 
> > > aware of in Debian. I tried to look around a bit but couldn't find anyone 
> > > speaking about this in previous discussions.
> > > 
> > 
> > Hello am_dxer,
> > 
> > A fix for this bug has been pushed to Debian Sid this week. You'll see 
> > it in the next week on Debian testing. Another fix has been made for 
> > ctrl+alt+tab to work correctly but I'm not sure if a release with the 
> > fix has been publish yet.
> > 
> > More details here: https://github.com/mate-desktop/marco/issues/118
> > 
> > Best regards,
> > Alex.
> > 
> 



Re: Mate Upstream Keyboard Shortcuts Unbound in Debian

2018-03-10 Thread am_dxer
Hi,
>From the bug you sent, I was able to determine where the keyboard shortcuts 
>are being overridden in Debian. See 
>https://anonscm.debian.org/git/pkg-mate/mate-desktop-environment.git/tree/debian/10_mate-common.gschema.override.
Looking at that file, we can see this. switch-windows-all='Tab'
On a ifferent Linux distrobution that is using vanilla mate, we can see this 
through gsettings.

gsettings get org.mate.Marco.global-keybindings switch-windows-all
'disabled'

gsettings get org.mate.Marco.global-keybindings switch-panels
'Tab'

So it appears Debian is reassigning the keyboard shortcut Control+Alt+Tab from 
switch-panels to switch-windows-all. This is in the master branch of packaging 
so I don't think there is a change for this in Sid. I know that we have some 
Debian Mate maintainers that are also upstream Mate developers so maybe if this 
is desired for some reason, it could be pushed upstream instead. I just think 
it helps everyone's sanity if we can keep keyboard shortcuts consistant across 
distrobutions if possible.

On Sat, Mar 10, 2018, at 2:16 AM, Alex ARNAUD wrote:
> Le 09/03/2018 à 19:51, am_d...@fastmail.fm a écrit :
> > Hello,
> > I noticed that the shortcut to switch between panels in a popup 
> > (Control+Alt+Tab is unbound in Debian in the latest testing. I was not sure 
> > if this was done for some reason or if this might be a bug? It seems bound 
> > in other Linux's but maybe it conflicts with something I am not aware of in 
> > Debian. I tried to look around a bit but couldn't find anyone speaking 
> > about this in previous discussions.
> > 
> 
> Hello am_dxer,
> 
> A fix for this bug has been pushed to Debian Sid this week. You'll see 
> it in the next week on Debian testing. Another fix has been made for 
> ctrl+alt+tab to work correctly but I'm not sure if a release with the 
> fix has been publish yet.
> 
> More details here: https://github.com/mate-desktop/marco/issues/118
> 
> Best regards,
> Alex.
> 



Re: possibility to install debian in Russian using A11Y

2018-03-10 Thread Samuel Thibault
александр епанешников, on ven. 09 mars 2018 16:20:48 +0300, wrote:
> when reading the terminal automatically, everything is fine, but if you need 
> to
> read a line, word or symbol, some Russian letters are replaced by English 
> ones.
> eg, н on h, р on p.

Mmm, I see.  I guess this is because of the font which reduces the font
size by collapsing these letters, and thus the screen reader can't
re-read them.  I'll have a look at disabling this unwanted feature.

Samuel